Lightroom: How to invert a range mask?

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Henry Richardson Forum Pro • Posts: 18,817
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I am using the latest LrC 10.0.  I can't find a way to invert a range mask.  Is there a way?

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Ernie Misner
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Henry Richardson wrote:

I am using the latest LrC 10.0. I can't find a way to invert a range mask. Is there a way?

I don't see anything specifically for the range mask feature for inverting there.  What I am seeing is you can invert a selection made with the radial filter by ticking the "invert" box.  And the range mask does work with the radial filter.  No invert option for the brush or grad filter that I am finding.

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Henry Richardson wrote:

I am using the latest LrC 10.0. I can't find a way to invert a range mask. Is there a way?

Just thinking out loud ... could you make the adjustments over the whole image and then use the range mask to pull back your adjustments? It's not the ideal solution, but it ought to work.

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OP Henry Richardson Forum Pro • Posts: 18,817
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Ernie Misner wrote:

Henry Richardson wrote:

I am using the latest LrC 10.0. I can't find a way to invert a range mask. Is there a way?

I don't see anything specifically for the range mask feature for inverting there. What I am seeing is you can invert a selection made with the radial filter by ticking the "invert" box. And the range mask does work with the radial filter. No invert option for the brush or grad filter that I am finding.

I just checked and see that you are right that there is an invert option for the radial filter.  It is very strange that it not available for the graduated filter also.

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dj_paige
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Henry Richardson wrote:

Ernie Misner wrote:

Henry Richardson wrote:

I am using the latest LrC 10.0. I can't find a way to invert a range mask. Is there a way?

I don't see anything specifically for the range mask feature for inverting there. What I am seeing is you can invert a selection made with the radial filter by ticking the "invert" box. And the range mask does work with the radial filter. No invert option for the brush or grad filter that I am finding.

I just checked and see that you are right that there is an invert option for the radial filter. It is very strange that it not available for the graduated filter also.

Make a feature request to Adobe. https://feedback.photoshop.com/topics/lightroom-classic/5f5f2093785c1f1e6cc40872

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kaphinga wrote:

Henry Richardson wrote:

I am using the latest LrC 10.0. I can't find a way to invert a range mask. Is there a way?

Just thinking out loud ... could you make the adjustments over the whole image and then use the range mask to pull back your adjustments? It's not the ideal solution, but it ought to work.

I will play around with that to see if it will work.  Thanks.

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dj_paige wrote:

Henry Richardson wrote:

Ernie Misner wrote:

Henry Richardson wrote:

I am using the latest LrC 10.0. I can't find a way to invert a range mask. Is there a way?

I don't see anything specifically for the range mask feature for inverting there. What I am seeing is you can invert a selection made with the radial filter by ticking the "invert" box. And the range mask does work with the radial filter. No invert option for the brush or grad filter that I am finding.

I just checked and see that you are right that there is an invert option for the radial filter. It is very strange that it not available for the graduated filter also.

Make a feature request to Adobe. https://feedback.photoshop.com/topics/lightroom-classic/5f5f2093785c1f1e6cc40872

Okay, I just submitted a request.  I find it very strange that they added an invert option for the radial filter range mask, but not the graduated filter and adjustment brush range masks.  I hope they will add it to all 3.

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Re: Lightroom: How to invert a range mask?

kaphinga wrote:

Henry Richardson wrote:

I am using the latest LrC 10.0. I can't find a way to invert a range mask. Is there a way?

Just thinking out loud ... could you make the adjustments over the whole image and then use the range mask to pull back your adjustments? It's not the ideal solution, but it ought to work.

Yes you could, I experimented with this and it appears to work.

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RussC
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Henry Richardson wrote:

Ernie Misner wrote:

Henry Richardson wrote:

I am using the latest LrC 10.0. I can't find a way to invert a range mask. Is there a way?

I don't see anything specifically for the range mask feature for inverting there. What I am seeing is you can invert a selection made with the radial filter by ticking the "invert" box. And the range mask does work with the radial filter. No invert option for the brush or grad filter that I am finding.

I just checked and see that you are right that there is an invert option for the radial filter. It is very strange that it not available for the graduated filter also.

It is, in a way. If you apply a graduated filter to the entire image (eg. select grad filter, click on bottom corner of image and pull off the image) then you can use the range mask eye dropper tool on different parts of the image to select a given color or luminance, and that will provide the mask. Not strictly an invert, but in the luminosity option you can click through each luminosity grayscale and select the one you want to mask. Same with the color mask.

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Ernie Misner
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Re: Lightroom: How to invert a range mask?

Henry Richardson wrote:

dj_paige wrote:

Henry Richardson wrote:

Ernie Misner wrote:

Henry Richardson wrote:

I am using the latest LrC 10.0. I can't find a way to invert a range mask. Is there a way?

I don't see anything specifically for the range mask feature for inverting there. What I am seeing is you can invert a selection made with the radial filter by ticking the "invert" box. And the range mask does work with the radial filter. No invert option for the brush or grad filter that I am finding.

I just checked and see that you are right that there is an invert option for the radial filter. It is very strange that it not available for the graduated filter also.

Make a feature request to Adobe. https://feedback.photoshop.com/topics/lightroom-classic/5f5f2093785c1f1e6cc40872

Okay, I just submitted a request. I find it very strange that they added an invert option for the radial filter range mask, but not the graduated filter and adjustment brush range masks. I hope they will add it to all 3.

Thank you for doing that Henry and please keep us posted if you get a reply or reason from Adobe.

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Re: Lightroom: How to invert a range mask?
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Ernie Misner wrote:

Henry Richardson wrote:

dj_paige wrote:

Henry Richardson wrote:

Ernie Misner wrote:

Henry Richardson wrote:

I am using the latest LrC 10.0. I can't find a way to invert a range mask. Is there a way?

I don't see anything specifically for the range mask feature for inverting there. What I am seeing is you can invert a selection made with the radial filter by ticking the "invert" box. And the range mask does work with the radial filter. No invert option for the brush or grad filter that I am finding.

I just checked and see that you are right that there is an invert option for the radial filter. It is very strange that it not available for the graduated filter also.

Make a feature request to Adobe. https://feedback.photoshop.com/topics/lightroom-classic/5f5f2093785c1f1e6cc40872

Okay, I just submitted a request. I find it very strange that they added an invert option for the radial filter range mask, but not the graduated filter and adjustment brush range masks. I hope they will add it to all 3.

Thank you for doing that Henry and please keep us posted if you get a reply or reason from Adobe.

As far as I know, Adobe rarely gives a reason for their decisions. They do reply with possible workarounds, or they reply that this will be added to their list of things to work on.

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Re: Lightroom: How to invert a range mask?
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Henry Richardson wrote:

dj_paige wrote:

Henry Richardson wrote:

Ernie Misner wrote:

Henry Richardson wrote:

I am using the latest LrC 10.0. I can't find a way to invert a range mask. Is there a way?

I don't see anything specifically for the range mask feature for inverting there. What I am seeing is you can invert a selection made with the radial filter by ticking the "invert" box. And the range mask does work with the radial filter. No invert option for the brush or grad filter that I am finding.

I just checked and see that you are right that there is an invert option for the radial filter. It is very strange that it not available for the graduated filter also.

Make a feature request to Adobe. https://feedback.photoshop.com/topics/lightroom-classic/5f5f2093785c1f1e6cc40872

Okay, I just submitted a request. I find it very strange that they added an invert option for the radial filter range mask, but not the graduated filter and adjustment brush range masks. I hope they will add it to all 3.

Here it is:

https://feedback.photoshop.com/conversations/lightroom-classic/lrc-add-invert-option-for-range-masks/5fbed610ce4ce1357af21add

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Henry Richardson wrote:

Okay, I just submitted a request. I find it very strange that they added an invert option for the radial filter range mask, but not the graduated filter and adjustment brush range masks. I hope they will add it to all 3.

Just so we don't get too confused here... there is no invert option for the radial filter range mask.  There IS an invert function for the filter itself, but not for its range mask.

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RussC wrote:

Henry Richardson wrote:

Ernie Misner wrote:

Henry Richardson wrote:

I am using the latest LrC 10.0. I can't find a way to invert a range mask. Is there a way?

I don't see anything specifically for the range mask feature for inverting there. What I am seeing is you can invert a selection made with the radial filter by ticking the "invert" box. And the range mask does work with the radial filter. No invert option for the brush or grad filter that I am finding.

I just checked and see that you are right that there is an invert option for the radial filter. It is very strange that it not available for the graduated filter also.

It is, in a way. If you apply a graduated filter to the entire image (eg. select grad filter, click on bottom corner of image and pull off the image) then you can use the range mask eye dropper tool on different parts of the image to select a given color or luminance, and that will provide the mask. Not strictly an invert, but in the luminosity option you can click through each luminosity grayscale and select the one you want to mask. Same with the color mask.

RussC

This is what I do too. It would be easier with an invert mask control but that would only work for two sets of tone ranges. The way RussC uses and the way I use them allows me to quickly set up any number of luminosity brush ranges like in luminosity masking only inverted..

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Re: Lightroom: How to invert a range mask?
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Henry Richardson wrote:

dj_paige wrote:

Henry Richardson wrote:

Ernie Misner wrote:

Henry Richardson wrote:

I am using the latest LrC 10.0. I can't find a way to invert a range mask. Is there a way?

I don't see anything specifically for the range mask feature for inverting there. What I am seeing is you can invert a selection made with the radial filter by ticking the "invert" box. And the range mask does work with the radial filter. No invert option for the brush or grad filter that I am finding.

I just checked and see that you are right that there is an invert option for the radial filter. It is very strange that it not available for the graduated filter also.

Make a feature request to Adobe. https://feedback.photoshop.com/topics/lightroom-classic/5f5f2093785c1f1e6cc40872

Okay, I just submitted a request. I find it very strange that they added an invert option for the radial filter range mask, but not the graduated filter and adjustment brush range masks. I hope they will add it to all 3.

Why would there be an invert to the graduated filter and the brush?

To invert the graduated filter just apply it to the opposite part of the image.

The brush is to paint an effect to a specific subject not to everything else but that subject. To do that you would apply a radial filter and then use the brush on erase mode to mask that subject out of the radial filter. That would be an inverse brush.

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