How good or bad is Sony 10-18?

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gary stepic
gary stepic Veteran Member • Posts: 4,977
How good or bad is Sony 10-18?
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I am tempted to sell my a7r3 and buy the a6600 and 10-18 lens. I would also add the 16-55 2.8 Sony. I like the idea of a smaller kit that will include the a7r4 and 24-105 Sony. I do not like to change lenses and have always liked using one camera with a mid range walk around zoom and another with an ultra wide zoom. Replacing the a7r3 and 16-35 4.0 Sony with the a6600 and 10-18 allows me to use a smaller bag I like to use when traveling.

Most of my photos will be used to post on the web. I am planning two trips to Europe next year. My goal is to come up with at least one large 6'x4' canvas print and several 36"x24" canvas prints for my home. I want to do a lot more video for this trip. I will be bring a monopod that is easy to travel with along with a small mini tripod I attach at the bottom. It is fairly sturdy if I do not extend monopod all the way. I use this set up for panos or for shots I know I will make a large print of.

My guess is for video the a6600 and 10-18 could be a good combo and in general good for most ultra wide shots. My hope is would also be good for fairly large canvas prints (up to 40"). I would most likely be shooting stopped down a bit with the 10-18, the more depth of field the better for filming and shooting in those narrow European streets.

I am curious if 10-18 owners are very satisfied with this lens? I love the size of this lens. From what I read corners are not good shooting wide open. I think for the vast majority of what I would shoot, including video, this will not be a problem. My guess is if stopped down to 5.6 or 8.0 even corners would be good enough for larger canvas prints. Correct me if I am wrong.

Gary

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2011nikonian
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Re: How good or bad is Sony 10-18?

A few days back there was discussion about this lens as someone else was in the hunt..

Have a read

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/64485677

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wb2trf Veteran Member • Posts: 3,298
Print size is irrelevant
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Print size really doesn't matter as to properly see an image the larger it is the longer is the viewing distance. It's a popular topic among equipment enthusiasts who pixel peep, but really doesn't matter at all.

Dr JLW Senior Member • Posts: 1,299
Re: How good or bad is Sony 10-18?

Back when travel was feasible, I used a 6000 and SElL10-18  and took about 70% of my shots with it.

You do have learn how to use it to get shots with interest and if you are taking a photos with  a significant other in it they need to be near the center of the frame to avoid interesting effects but once I got to know this combo, I loved it.  OTOH it get get shots  in situations where almost nothing else can.

One issue with travel with this lens, not covered in most threads, is that it is not sealed and if moisture gets into it, the fogged regions show up on the photos.  I takes a long time with a hair drier to get the water out but if you do it soon after it gets wet there are no lasting effects.

Lot of on-line info in IQ.  I have been very pleased with what my copy does.

idsurfer Contributing Member • Posts: 541
Re: How good or bad is Sony 10-18?

Here's my post from the above mentioned thread.....

"I avoided it for years due to high price for a slow zoom and reports of copy variation. I finally started looking for one on the used market as I was just so intrigued with the idea of an UWA zoom with AF. I figured I'd sell for minimal loss if I wasn't happy. I found a mint copy for a very good price. I'm happy to say it seems to be good performer. So my thoughts are these...

- I think it is a great lens to have in the bag.

- Slow but I always stop down when shooting wide anyhow

- IMO Worth up to about $450 USD, but not much more. I'd never think for a second about paying new retail for this lens."

All that said I will mention the corners are still a little soft even at landscape apertures.

I like mine a lot.

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DenverSteve Contributing Member • Posts: 563
Re: How good or bad is Sony 10-18?

gary stepic wrote:

I am curious if 10-18 owners are very satisfied with this lens? I love the size of this lens. From what I read corners are not good shooting wide open. I think for the vast majority of what I would shoot, including video, this will not be a problem. My guess is if stopped down to 5.6 or 8.0 even corners would be good enough for larger canvas prints. Correct me if I am wrong.

Gary

In a word, yes.  I think it's an excellent lens and superb for video.  It's plenty good for anything you want to use it for.

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Photo_Genius New Member • Posts: 21
Re: How good or bad is Sony 10-18?

It's an okay lens and you can certainly take great pictures with it. However it was released in 2012. It is optically inferior to newer design lenses such as the 12-24 F4 or 26-35mm GM or from other brands like Nikon 14-30 F4 or Fujifilm 8-16mm F2.8. I think it's not worth the price, an update is long overdue.

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gary stepic
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Re: How good or bad is Sony 10-18?

What would make me extremely happy is an upgraded version of this lens along and the rumor I read about a 42 megapixel APS-C sensor being true. Probably not going to happen before my trip so the a7r4 and 24-105 will have to do for now! The a6600 + 10-18 will be much smaller then my current a7r3 + 16-35 4.0 combo for my second camera.

I was considering switching to Fuji but there really is not a great size and weight savings comparing xt4 + Fuji 16-55 2.8 to a7r4 and 24-105. As far as print size most of what I have read makes me think 24 megapixels can be ok for even very large canvas print. I did see a video my Tony and Chelsea Northrup that made me think I still want the 61 megapixels of the a7r4 for those few large prints i may want to have.

If I want the highest quality for a large print from ultra wide I can always stich photos together using the 24-105 and a7r4. I am thinking for everything else the a6600 and 10-18 will be just fine.

Gary

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REDunnLev
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Re: How good or bad is Sony 10-18?
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I have the 10-18 and it goes everywhere I go.  The lens is very good and it is sharp enough for a canvas of at least 24” x 36” which is the largest I have from that lens.  A canvas is very forgiving in terms of sharpness, but my other prints are very sharp.

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JimH123 Senior Member • Posts: 2,741
Re: How good or bad is Sony 10-18?

gary stepic wrote:

I am tempted to sell my a7r3 and buy the a6600 and 10-18 lens. I would also add the 16-55 2.8 Sony. I like the idea of a smaller kit that will include the a7r4 and 24-105 Sony. I do not like to change lenses and have always liked using one camera with a mid range walk around zoom and another with an ultra wide zoom. Replacing the a7r3 and 16-35 4.0 Sony with the a6600 and 10-18 allows me to use a smaller bag I like to use when traveling.

Most of my photos will be used to post on the web. I am planning two trips to Europe next year. My goal is to come up with at least one large 6'x4' canvas print and several 36"x24" canvas prints for my home. I want to do a lot more video for this trip. I will be bring a monopod that is easy to travel with along with a small mini tripod I attach at the bottom. It is fairly sturdy if I do not extend monopod all the way. I use this set up for panos or for shots I know I will make a large print of.

My guess is for video the a6600 and 10-18 could be a good combo and in general good for most ultra wide shots. My hope is would also be good for fairly large canvas prints (up to 40"). I would most likely be shooting stopped down a bit with the 10-18, the more depth of field the better for filming and shooting in those narrow European streets.

I am curious if 10-18 owners are very satisfied with this lens? I love the size of this lens. From what I read corners are not good shooting wide open. I think for the vast majority of what I would shoot, including video, this will not be a problem. My guess is if stopped down to 5.6 or 8.0 even corners would be good enough for larger canvas prints. Correct me if I am wrong.

Gary

I have the 10-18 lens. I am noticing that its not so sharp at the edges. In fact if you look at the far right hand edge, I actually see some smearing.

This 11mm shot was taken with an A6300 which has been converted into a mono sensor by scraping off the CFA and this was taken through a red filter. The lens was set to f4.

The center is sharp, but I am not happy with the edges, especially the right. There is also some vignetting visible. This didn't come from the lens. It came from me not rolling back far enough a rubber lens hood I was using.

For comparison, here is the Sony 18-200 taken at 18mm and f8. I wasn't expecting to see this broad zoom do as good at the edges as it actually did. But then again, I was stopped down to f8. A green filter was used.

Adding another taken with the Sigma 10-20mm f3.5-5.6.  This shot was taken as a test shot.  And I am just beginning to see how I like wide angle images from this lens.  It is shot at 20mm and f5.6, so it is not being taken at it's widest angle.  But the edges are better than the 10-18 so far.

FYI: A mono sensor is able to show more detail than an equivalent sensor with the CFA since there is no need to demosaic the B&W image. I use SW to read the RAW file and convert it into a mono DNG file which can then be loaded into other applications without demosaicing.

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JimH123 Senior Member • Posts: 2,741
Re: How good or bad is Sony 10-18?

gary stepic wrote:

I am tempted to sell my a7r3 and buy the a6600 and 10-18 lens. I would also add the 16-55 2.8 Sony. I like the idea of a smaller kit that will include the a7r4 and 24-105 Sony. I do not like to change lenses and have always liked using one camera with a mid range walk around zoom and another with an ultra wide zoom. Replacing the a7r3 and 16-35 4.0 Sony with the a6600 and 10-18 allows me to use a smaller bag I like to use when traveling.

Most of my photos will be used to post on the web. I am planning two trips to Europe next year. My goal is to come up with at least one large 6'x4' canvas print and several 36"x24" canvas prints for my home. I want to do a lot more video for this trip. I will be bring a monopod that is easy to travel with along with a small mini tripod I attach at the bottom. It is fairly sturdy if I do not extend monopod all the way. I use this set up for panos or for shots I know I will make a large print of.

My guess is for video the a6600 and 10-18 could be a good combo and in general good for most ultra wide shots. My hope is would also be good for fairly large canvas prints (up to 40"). I would most likely be shooting stopped down a bit with the 10-18, the more depth of field the better for filming and shooting in those narrow European streets.

I am curious if 10-18 owners are very satisfied with this lens? I love the size of this lens. From what I read corners are not good shooting wide open. I think for the vast majority of what I would shoot, including video, this will not be a problem. My guess is if stopped down to 5.6 or 8.0 even corners would be good enough for larger canvas prints. Correct me if I am wrong.

Gary

I am in the process of upping my opinion of the Sony 10-18mm f4 lens. Someone else had posted a link to a YouTube video by Robin Whalley. :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIiVf5647SQ "Was I Fooled into Changing Cameras?"

In this YouTube video, he talks about his discovery that the Adobe RAW conversion is not doing a great job and the results come out much better use DxO Photolab.  Of course this means that you have to be using a lens and camera combination that DxO has created data for.

Using what I learned from his video, I took some images from my Sony 10-18mm lens and compared the results using Adobe (Lightroom or Photoshop) and DxO Photolab.

What I found was that he was correct. The corners and edges were soft or even looking like they were smeared when using Adobe to process the RAW files, and the corners and edges came out looking very good with DxO. Also, Adobe actually crops a bit off edges where as DxO kept the whole image.

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gary stepic
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Re: How good or bad is Sony 10-18?

My apologies for responding so late. That was very useful information. I just upgraded my DXO to the newest version. I think the the 10-18 will be just fine for what I want. I like a two camera two lens combo because of not wanting to change lenses. I use the a7r4 with the 24-105 as my main camera lens combo and have been using the a7r3 with the 16-35 4.0 as my second camera and lens combo. I think I am going to sell the a7r3 and get the a6600 and 10-18 lens, much smaller and lighter then a7r3 with the 16-35.

Gary

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