Would this photo benefit from PL DeepPrime? Topaz suite?

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This is one of my favourite street photos. It's shot on a 1-inch sensor and processed in LR (I also had a FF camera with me but at that moment it had a ultrawide zoom on, and I had no chance to change it fast enough).

Which tools could improve the image? (sharpness, noise, etc)

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BG454 Veteran Member • Posts: 7,278
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jaggedhorizon wrote:

This is one of my favourite street photos. It's shot on a 1-inch sensor and processed in LR (I also had a FF camera with me but at that moment it had a ultrawide zoom on, and I had no chance to change it fast enough).

Which tools could improve the image? (sharpness, noise, etc)

You have two photos here - the couple and the chess game.
I would separate them before I thought about any processing tricks.

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PM me the original file, I'll run it through both, and you can decide

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More like one picture with dual scenes, I like it as is

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Re: Would this photo benefit from PL DeepPrime? Topaz suite?

jaggedhorizon wrote:

This is one of my favourite street photos. It's shot on a 1-inch sensor and processed in LR (I also had a FF camera with me but at that moment it had a ultrawide zoom on, and I had no chance to change it fast enough).

Which tools could improve the image? (sharpness, noise, etc)

DeepPrime only works with raw files.  I don't find noise to be a problem on this picture though.

I find the lady on the left to be too dark but you may like that.  The wall people are sitting on seems a little lower on the right to me.  I didn't measure it but flat would make sense.  That center column isn't perfectly straight.   As for sharpening it can be done at a global level or Detail Brush can focus on the interesting parts.  And finally changing light also changes color so the lower section below the shelf is desaturated in the version below (Linear Gradient on Black and White option) because the contrast in color works.

Thanks for sharing.

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CraigVMN wrote:

More like one picture with dual scenes, I like it as is

Indeed, I prefer by far the photo as it is - the whole point is the juxtaposition of the two pairs, each in their world.

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CraigVMN wrote:

PM me the original file, I'll run it through both, and you can decide

Thank you for the offer, I'll dig it out and send it to you!

(I had done some local and perspective adjustments, but not much).

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Pi lover wrote:

jaggedhorizon wrote:

This is one of my favourite street photos. It's shot on a 1-inch sensor and processed in LR (I also had a FF camera with me but at that moment it had a ultrawide zoom on, and I had no chance to change it fast enough).

Which tools could improve the image? (sharpness, noise, etc)

DeepPrime only works with raw files. I don't find noise to be a problem on this picture though.

I find the lady on the left to be too dark but you may like that. The wall people are sitting on seems a little lower on the right to me. I didn't measure it but flat would make sense. That center column isn't perfectly straight. As for sharpening it can be done at a global level or Detail Brush can focus on the interesting parts. And finally changing light also changes color so the lower section below the shelf is desaturated in the version below (Linear Gradient on Black and White option) because the contrast in color works.

Thanks for sharing.

Grant.

Thank you for the detailed comments and the rework. What I'm targeting is indeed the "crispier" look of your version, but starting from the RAW so I get less speckled noise in the shadows.

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jaggedhorizon wrote:

What I'm targeting is indeed the "crispier" look of your version, but starting from the RAW so I get less speckled noise in the shadows.

Here is a version from Denoise AI.  (I removed the wall mark just above the girl's head because I found it distracting.)

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CrisL Contributing Member • Posts: 811
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jaggedhorizon wrote:

This is one of my favourite street photos. It's shot on a 1-inch sensor and processed in LR (I also had a FF camera with me but at that moment it had a ultrawide zoom on, and I had no chance to change it fast enough).

Which tools could improve the image? (sharpness, noise, etc)

Yes very interesting picture , would like to process the RAW with DXO deep prime

considering the level of noise in your jpg I expect good or very good result

if you can provide a link to the RAW ?

Waiting I think this one I process first with Topaz Denoise AI is not bad ?

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OK but the noise here is really too much even look at 100%

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Re: Would this photo benefit from PL DeepPrime? Topaz suite?

jaggedhorizon wrote:

This is one of my favourite street photos. It's shot on a 1-inch sensor and processed in LR (I also had a FF camera with me but at that moment it had a ultrawide zoom on, and I had no chance to change it fast enough).

Which tools could improve the image? (sharpness, noise, etc)

Lots of possibilities with this great shot. I can see why you like it. Once you post the raw, a lot of folks will go after it.

I'd start with Lightroom, then probably use Topaz sharpen and deNoise Ai on it,  and I'd probably adjust some lighting/shadows on the left side.

Then some part of me wants to fix the open wall on the right - maybe by crop or by fill. Or turn it into more of a frame like the left side.

Another part wants to remove the wall art over the chess players head. That will be in Photoshop.

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Van Griff Senior Member • Posts: 1,725
Re: Would this photo benefit from PL DeepPrime? Topaz suite?

jaggedhorizon wrote:

This is one of my favourite street photos. It's shot on a 1-inch sensor and processed in LR (I also had a FF camera with me but at that moment it had a ultrawide zoom on, and I had no chance to change it fast enough).

Which tools could improve the image? (sharpness, noise, etc)

jh

Great capture!

I would process the raw file with DxOPL Prime or Deep Prime if you have it . . . I have C1 so I would then open in C1 and do further minor editing . . . lift some shadows a touch . . . adjust exposure black and white points . . . perhaps brighten slightly . . . then send to TOPAZ Sharpen AI for detail sharpening and possibly further noise suppression if needed.

The subjects sit slightly high in the image IMHO . . . a 16:9 crop maintaining the existing top line and removing from the bottom of the image may produce a slightly more pleasing result . . . something to play around with [you can easily play around with the image in your browser rolling down to approximate the 16:9 crop and see if you like].

Great image . . . nicely done!

Best,

V G

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Jim B (MSP) wrote:

jaggedhorizon wrote:

This is one of my favourite street photos. It's shot on a 1-inch sensor and processed in LR (I also had a FF camera with me but at that moment it had a ultrawide zoom on, and I had no chance to change it fast enough).

Which tools could improve the image? (sharpness, noise, etc)

Lots of possibilities with this great shot. I can see why you like it. Once you post the raw, a lot of folks will go after it.

I'd start with Lightroom, then probably use Topaz sharpen and deNoise Ai on it, and I'd probably adjust some lighting/shadows on the left side.

Then some part of me wants to fix the open wall on the right - maybe by crop or by fill. Or turn it into more of a frame like the left side.

Another part wants to remove the wall art over the chess players head. That will be in Photoshop.

Thank you.  Here's a link to the RAW, feel free to work on it!

(This photo featured in an 1x article some time ago: https://1x.com/blog/permalink/8235 . I'd like to print it large so I want to assess how much better it can get)

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Van Griff wrote:

jaggedhorizon wrote:

This is one of my favourite street photos. It's shot on a 1-inch sensor and processed in LR (I also had a FF camera with me but at that moment it had a ultrawide zoom on, and I had no chance to change it fast enough).

Which tools could improve the image? (sharpness, noise, etc)

jh

Great capture!

I would process the raw file with DxOPL Prime or Deep Prime if you have it . . . I have C1 so I would then open in C1 and do further minor editing . . . lift some shadows a touch . . . adjust exposure black and white points . . . perhaps brighten slightly . . . then send to TOPAZ Sharpen AI for detail sharpening and possibly further noise suppression if needed.

The subjects sit slightly high in the image IMHO . . . a 16:9 crop maintaining the existing top line and removing from the bottom of the image may produce a slightly more pleasing result . . . something to play around with [you can easily play around with the image in your browser rolling down to approximate the 16:9 crop and see if you like].

Great image . . . nicely done!

Best,

V G

Thank you Van Griff!

I've posted the RAW just above if you want to have a test.

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jaggedhorizon wrote:

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Thank you. Here's a link to the RAW, feel free to work on it!

(This photo featured in an 1x article some time ago: https://1x.com/blog/permalink/8235 . I'd like to print it large so I want to assess how much better it can get)

There is no link.

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Jim B (MSP) wrote:

jaggedhorizon wrote:

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Thank you. Here's a link to the RAW, feel free to work on it!

(This photo featured in an 1x article some time ago: https://1x.com/blog/permalink/8235 . I'd like to print it large so I want to assess how much better it can get)

There is no link.

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Oops, sorry!

https://www.dropbox.com/s/aiwoxx6jydgrm66/P1040148.RW2?dl=0

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Processed to taste in PL4 with DeepPrime at default.

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Here two version

1 One DXO Deep Prime+ LR sharpening

DXO + LR

2 DXO Deep Prime + LR Sharpness + TopazStudio 2

DXO Deep Prime + LR Sharpness + TopazStudio 2

I found that DXO Deep Prime is much clearer and predictable than Topaz Denoise AI

Here a zoom to compare one denoise with Deep Prime versus Topaz DenoiseAI with default values. I also found some horrible artefacts increasing the Remove Noise in Topaz Denoise AI

Left DXO Deep Prime Right Topaz Denoise AI

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Lan Senior Member • Posts: 2,336
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Hi Cedric,

Yes, this would definitely benefit from DeepPRIME IMO, and Topaz does a reasonable job too:

DxO PhotoLab v4.0.2 DeepPRIME only

Here's the same DxO4 DeepPRIME image after a run through Topaz Sharpen AI v2.2.0:

DxO PhotoLab v4.0.2 DeepPRIME, plus Topaz Sharpen AI v2.2.0 in Focus mode

These are processed roughly to my taste; for this one I'd probably skip Topaz myself, and just use the DeepPRIME version. Hope that's helpful

Stay well!

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