Upgrade from Af-s 12-24 f/4? UWA opinions

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Aston Senna Junior Member • Posts: 49
Upgrade from Af-s 12-24 f/4? UWA opinions

Hi there, i have the old Nikon 12-24 f/4, it was my first ultra wide angle, got it for a crazy good deal so jumped on it to jump on it. I've never shot UWA before and it seems like images are just okay with it. Closer proximity stuff, shooting car interiors can be mixed, but when i shot some landscapes with in Monterey i was very disappointed even stopped down.

I shoot on a D7500 and plan on having a DX for sometime.

What UWAs would be considered a jump in image quality/sharpness?

Ken Rockwell wrote that the new 10-20 is sharper than the old 12-24, but on here at least i only find threads comparing the 10-20 and the also old 10-24.

The one i thought i'd be most interested in is the Tamron 10-24 HLD with VC, but again couldn't find any search results comparing it to an 12-24.

And i know people will suggest the Tokinas, and the 11-20 does seem very interesting.(not a milky way shooter for what it's worth, i'd probably use a 35 1.8 dx for that if i ever did)

Really, any feedback of anyone who has used the old nikkor 12-24 dx and then some of the newer options would be tremendously appreciated.

Thank you!

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arubalou Junior Member • Posts: 39
Re: Upgrade from Af-s 12-24 f/4? UWA opinions

I have the new 10-24 tamron, imo its sharp enough. I shoot with a d7200.

bluzman
bluzman Contributing Member • Posts: 966
Re: Upgrade from Af-s 12-24 f/4? UWA opinions

I shot these with a D5600 using an AF-P DX 10-20mm f/4.5-5.6G VR. It isn't the fastest lens out there but I like the images it produces.

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Shunda777 Junior Member • Posts: 42
Re: Upgrade from Af-s 12-24 f/4? UWA opinions

To be honest, the 12-24 f4 is probably the best wide angle for DX. I am suspicious about why your lens doesn't appear to be sharp, it may be worth going through the auto lens calibration process on your D7500 to see if it can be improved, or to identify any fault in the lens.

I have got the new version of the tokina 11-16 f2.8 and that is a stellar wideangle, but range is limited, the new 11-20 would be a good option for more range.
Those two Tokinas appear to be the best third party options for DX at the moment, plus the older tokina 12-24 f4 is rated highly by a lot of people.
But I really would thoroughly check out your current nikon lens first, it is rated highly and even performs really well on an FX camera body in the 17-24 range.

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Chris De Schepper Senior Member • Posts: 1,326
Re: Upgrade from Af-s 12-24 f/4? UWA opinions

this thread interests me. I am using many years an old tokina 12-24, and the quality is ok.But I am interested in the new tamron 10-24 vc.  Mainly because of the range , 10 instead of 12, lighter weight and VC.   I have read several good reviews and also several bad reviews (photozone, imaging resource).  I wonder if anybody compared that new tamron.

vcxz Regular Member • Posts: 125
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I am by no means a pro but I was wondering a similar question--what is going to be my preferred city travel lens kit? I took some of my wider DX lenses to my backyard for a test. Some people have amazing wildlife nearby, I have Wrigley Field, which I think is representative for travel photography.

I know the shutter speeds are different, I took shots from ~1/10 to 1/50 for each lens and selected my favorite of those without looking at EXIF data. Then I just did auto settings on Lightroom and lowered the highlights a bit so the neon wasn't blown out.

I'm not really a pixel peeper (except for cropped wildlife) so honestly the 10-20mm AFP and 10-24 Tamron look the same. If anything for some reason I personally like the Tamron rendering more, can't really explain why.

I was surprised how the Fuji came dead last to me. I don't know if it's just the different field of view or what. Some of my favorite pictures were taken with this lens so honestly I was expecting this to be #1.

So my resolution is if I'm traveling really light, I'll take the 10-20mm AFP with the D5600. The Tamron 10-24mm feels really heavy on the D5600 but would be fine on a D500. The "problem" I have with the Tamron 10-24mm is that and the D500 is basically the same size as a D850 with the 17-34. So DX isn't really saving me any room in my bag unless I also need a 24-70 or 70-300, whose DX equivalents are lighter.

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Super light, walking around the city doing other stuff, or a work trip to nowhere special (when that resumes): D5600, 10-20mm, 35mm f/1.8, 70-300mm DX (or just the 18-55mm AFP)

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Need mid-range zoom: D500, Tamron 10-24mm, 35mm f/1.8, 16-80mm, 70-300mm DX

10-20MM AFP

Tamron 10-24

Bonus: Fuji XF 16MM F/1.4

Bonus: Tamron 17-35 FF on D850

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Ask Mait Contributing Member • Posts: 849
Re: Upgrade from Af-s 12-24 f/4? UWA opinions

Hello vcxz, nice to see your photos, I have one question. Did you take the first two images (one from AF-P 10-20 and other from Tam 10-24) from the same spot ? because the tamron image doesn't look like it is as wide as Nikon. Thanks

Michael Benveniste
Michael Benveniste Veteran Member • Posts: 5,500
Re: Upgrade from Af-s 12-24 f/4? UWA opinions

Aston Senna wrote:

Hi there, i have the old Nikon 12-24 f/4, it was my first ultra wide angle, got it for a crazy good deal so jumped on it to jump on it. I've never shot UWA before and it seems like images are just okay with it. Closer proximity stuff, shooting car interiors can be mixed, but when i shot some landscapes with in Monterey i was very disappointed even stopped down.

Can you post some examples, including EXIF?  Monterey can be tricky due to fog and recently due to smoke and haze.

It may be that your "crazy good deal" was, in fact, too good to be true and the lens needs repair or alignment.  While there are certainly more modern DX zooms out there, at typical landscape apertures I would assume only modest gains in sharpness for properly functioning lenses.

My current DX ultrawide is a Tokina 12-28mm f/4.  Since I use it on an IR-converted D7200, though, I'm the wrong person to ask about so-called IQ.

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vcxz Regular Member • Posts: 125
Re: Upgrade from Af-s 12-24 f/4? UWA opinions

They’d be within a few feet of each other if they were different but I do remember needing to crop one because I took it crooked.

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NikonMan09 Regular Member • Posts: 494
Nikon 10-20 AF-P

I consider the Nikon 10-20 AF-P a must-buy for a Nikon DX camera owner.  This is because it is cheap, optically decent over its entire range and for the money, compact, and takes only a 72 mm filter.

I also own the older Nikon 10-24 mm F3.5-4.5 DX, which I've had since 2010.  The IQ of this lens may be a little better at 10mm, but I find the IQ degrades more compared to the 10-20 AF-P as you zoom in.  With my copy of the 10-20-AF-P, I've found for landscape photography that the IQ may improve a slight bit zoomed a little past 10mm and holds up as you zoom in.

I hope this helps.  Good luck in your selection.

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Chris De Schepper Senior Member • Posts: 1,326
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vcxz wrote:

I am by no means a pro but I was wondering a similar question--what is going to be my preferred city travel lens kit? I took some of my wider DX lenses to my backyard for a test. Some people have amazing wildlife nearby, I have Wrigley Field, which I think is representative for travel photography.

I know the shutter speeds are different, I took shots from ~1/10 to 1/50 for each lens and selected my favorite of those without looking at EXIF data. Then I just did auto settings on Lightroom and lowered the highlights a bit so the neon wasn't blown out.

I'm not really a pixel peeper (except for cropped wildlife) so honestly the 10-20mm AFP and 10-24 Tamron look the same. If anything for some reason I personally like the Tamron rendering more, can't really explain why.

I was surprised how the Fuji came dead last to me. I don't know if it's just the different field of view or what. Some of my favorite pictures were taken with this lens so honestly I was expecting this to be #1.

So my resolution is if I'm traveling really light, I'll take the 10-20mm AFP with the D5600. The Tamron 10-24mm feels really heavy on the D5600 but would be fine on a D500. The "problem" I have with the Tamron 10-24mm is that and the D500 is basically the same size as a D850 with the 17-34. So DX isn't really saving me any room in my bag unless I also need a 24-70 or 70-300, whose DX equivalents are lighter.

thanks for posting those pictures.  I had a close look and for me the picture with the 10-20 nikon looks better than the one with the tamron 10-24.  It looks everywhere a  bit sharper, but the tamron picture looks very blurry on the left . Is that because a difference of focusing, view point ?

Jocksa
Jocksa Contributing Member • Posts: 985
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Shunda777 wrote:

To be honest, the 12-24 f4 is probably the best wide angle for DX. I am suspicious about why your lens doesn't appear to be sharp, it may be worth going through the auto lens calibration process on your D7500 to see if it can be improved, or to identify any fault in the lens.

Likewise, I still use the 12-24/f4 and am happy with its performance.

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OP Aston Senna Junior Member • Posts: 49
Re: Upgrade from Af-s 12-24 f/4? UWA opinions

Hey thanks for those comparison pics! I got to say, the AF-P definitely looks better to me.

Let me upload a few of my pics with the 12-24 to see what ya'll think of it. I think probably the biggest issue with it is the fact it does only go to 18mm FF equivalent, rather than 15, a pretty big difference really

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vcxz Regular Member • Posts: 125
Re: Upgrade from Af-s 12-24 f/4? UWA opinions

Chris De Schepper wrote:

vcxz wrote:

thanks for posting those pictures. I had a close look and for me the picture with the 10-20 nikon looks better than the one with the tamron 10-24. It looks everywhere a bit sharper, but the tamron picture looks very blurry on the left . Is that because a difference of focusing, view point ?

The Tamron I selected was 1/4 second with a lower iso but the 10-20 is 1/20. 
I wasn’t zooming in when I was doing my selections so I didn’t really check for sharpness unless there was a bug issue. Unfortunately I don’t think I kept the whole set for each but if I did archive them I’ll post them.

I know it’s not really a fair comparison but I thought the D850 looked the best by far. For some reason I think I like the way the Tamron rendered the light and colors more than I personally am looking at pixel peeping sharpness. This could have played a role in the one I selected too.

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