Recent M6 Mark II shutter shock study / M50 upgrade path rant

Andy12 wrote:

thunder storm wrote:

Andy12 wrote:

ThrillaMozilla wrote:

Andy12 wrote:

Can someone please confirm that there is no shutter shock with adapted EF/EF-S lenses with IS (mostly zooms) on the M6 mk ii?

There is shutter shock, but I think not as bad. I don't have time to find the links, but look up my previous posts on the subject. I gave an example for 250 mm at 1/60. And EF-S 18-55 3.5-5.6 IS STM shows the problem to a lesser degree. Even with the EF-M 15-45 I can work around it. I get most of the effect at 1/60 and 1/125 sec.

Will the SS be minimal if I go with M6 mk ii (Body only, no 15-45mm) with 22mm EFM, 32mm EFM

yes

& various EF/EF-S adapted lenses?

depends on the lenses

& Is 90D a better option? (I dislike the bulk)

No. just work around it and use a minimum shutter speed or full electronic shutter at shutter speed ranges and lenses with a risk for SS.

Note: the effects of SS are pretty minimal. Without this forum you might never noticed it. It's there, but it's at a pixel peeping level only.

With a 90D there's no ef-m 32mm. That's more important for your IQ.

Thanks for the reply. On checking it looks like 15-45mm is a mandatory buy with the camera (no body only). If I have understood the discussion correctly, am I right in assuming that with the 15-45mm I should exclusively use Electronic shutter for 1/20s to 1/200s?

Reading this thread would cause you to be afraid of your own shadow, LOL!

You can refer to my own actual image tests with the 15-45 kit lens here (at 15mm and 1/60 second)...

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/65457190

and here (at 45mm and 1/60 second)...

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/65459772

or earlier in this current thread here (duplicating the "author's" linked test)...

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/64549959

Shutter shock is present, but it's never been a big deal (for me), as others here have noted as well. YMMV

Best thing to do is perform your own tests to see what effects it might have on your own shooting.

Be sure not to confuse shutter shock with camera shake though. Any variability in your resulting frames would be due to camera shake etc, and not to shutter shock (which would account for the smallest component of blur), given there's not other lens factors involved either (ie autofocus, sharpness, decentering, etc).

As for the adapted EF-S lenses I was hoping to use 10-18mm is stm,18-55mm is stm, 55-250mm is stm, 24mm 2.8 & EF 50mm 1.8 since I have access to those.

All will work well on your camera. There are certain advantages that you'd get with the EF-M lenses available, but you can work on those when you can.

Best of luck!

R2

thunder storm wrote:

Full electronic shutter works in most situations too.

No.  There's no flash, single shot only (no bursts), no exposure bracketing, maybe other restrictions too.

On the bright side, there's aitp focus bracketing.  That's very nice.

Andy12 wrote:

On checking it looks like 15-45mm is a mandatory buy with the camera (no body only).

It canbe bouth with body only.

If I have understood the discussion correctly, am I right in assuming that with the 15-45mm I should exclusively use Electronic shutter for 1/20s to 1/200s?

Depends on how you hold it, maybe on your individual camera body, and your tolerance for vibration.  You pay your money and you make your choice.

As for the adapted EF-S lenses I was hoping to use 10-18mm is stm,18-55mm is stm, 55-250mm is stm, 24mm 2.8 & EF 50mm 1.8 since I have access to those.

They will work.

ThrillaMozilla wrote:

thunder storm wrote:

Full electronic shutter works in most situations too.

No. There's no flash,

but when using flash you can use higher ss.  I use high sync odin system up to ss 1/8000

single shot only (no bursts),

but at slower ss, you are usually dealing with limited motion and electronic shutter works fine

no exposure bracketing, maybe other restrictions too.

shouldn't use anti flicker in electronic shutter also

On the bright side, there's aitp focus bracketing. That's very nice.

it just takes some experience to manage any potential issues

what ii has enforced with me is that with high mpxl  sensor and the want to pixel peep sometimes versus looking at the image at the image level -- one needs to get their shutter speed higher -- these aren't the old days of lower mpxl

ThrillaMozilla wrote:

thunder storm wrote:

Full electronic shutter works in most situations too.

No. There's no flash,

using a viewfinder there isn't a proper flash anyway.....

single shot only (no bursts),

if slow shutterspeed bursts is your thing...

no exposure bracketing,

for me that's not "most situations."

maybe other restrictions too.

On the bright side, there's aitp focus bracketing. That's very nice.

No idea what it is, but I love bright sides.

MAC wrote:

it just takes some experience to manage any potential issues

I forgot to mention that you can't just select flash or shutter burst, etc.  You have to first set mechanical shutter, and the menu is somewhere else.  It's a two-step process, whicj is not condusive to speed.

One can manage the issues, but it's a struggle to master the mechanics of the camera.

what ii has enforced with me is that with high mpxl sensor and the want to pixel peep sometimes versus looking at the image at the image level -- one needs to get their shutter speed higher -- these aren't the old days of lower mpxl

I enjoy the good sensor.  That's one of the reasons I bought the camera.

23speaker23 wrote:

Andy12 wrote:

Thanks for the reply. On checking it looks like 15-45mm is a mandatory buy with the camera (no body only). If I have understood the discussion correctly, am I right in assuming that with the 15-45mm I should exclusively use Electronic shutter for 1/20s to 1/200s?

As for the adapted EF-S lenses I was hoping to use 10-18mm is stm,18-55mm is stm, 55-250mm is stm, 24mm 2.8 & EF 50mm 1.8 since I have access to those.

Just a quick note along with all the discussion.

The efm15-45 is a hit or miss from what I've read. I have a good copy others don't.

If you are not going for efm32, 22 or sigmas 16, 30, 56, then you might as well don't bother for the m6 ii. These lenses is where the m cameras shine.

exactamundo!

ThrillaMozilla wrote:

MAC wrote:

it just takes some experience to manage any potential issues

I forgot to mention that you can't just select flash or shutter burst, etc. You have to first set mechanical shutter, and the menu is somewhere else. It's a two-step process, whicj is not condusive to speed.

that is what C1 and C2 are about

One can manage the issues, but it's a struggle to master the mechanics of the camera.

set C1 to electronic shutter and FV

set C2 to mechanical shutter and FV

what ii has enforced with me is that with high mpxl sensor and the want to pixel peep sometimes versus looking at the image at the image level -- one needs to get their shutter speed higher -- these aren't the old days of lower mpxl

I enjoy the good sensor. That's one of the reasons I bought the camera.

get M32 and you'll enjoy it more

MAC wrote:

ThrillaMozilla wrote:

MAC wrote:

it just takes some experience to manage any potential issues

I forgot to mention that you can't just select flash or shutter burst, etc. You have to first set mechanical shutter, and the menu is somewhere else. It's a two-step process, whicj is not condusive to speed.

that is what C1 and C2 are about

One can manage the issues, but it's a struggle to master the mechanics of the camera.

set C1 to electronic shutter and FV

set C2 to mechanical shutter and FV

Yes, they can be used for that, unless you need them for something else.  It's a workaround that shouldn't really be required.  I find that I have to use all kinds of workarounds like that.

ThrillaMozilla wrote:

MAC wrote:

ThrillaMozilla wrote:

MAC wrote:

it just takes some experience to manage any potential issues

I forgot to mention that you can't just select flash or shutter burst, etc. You have to first set mechanical shutter, and the menu is somewhere else. It's a two-step process, whicj is not condusive to speed.

that is what C1 and C2 are about

One can manage the issues, but it's a struggle to master the mechanics of the camera.

set C1 to electronic shutter and FV

set C2 to mechanical shutter and FV

Yes, they can be used for that, unless you need them for something else. It's a workaround that shouldn't really be required. I find that I have to use all kinds of workarounds like that.

in addition, I customized NINE different buttons on my M6II to provide my most used functions to suit my needs

in addition, I added frequently used menu options to My Menu

Also, when you hit the SET key, you get access to tons of stuff with the press of one button