X-S10 missing "film simulation recipe" (JPEG) custom settings (C1 to C7) capacity?

Erik Baumgartner wrote:

chromos wrote:

Erik Baumgartner wrote:

rla1022 wrote:

chromos wrote:

rla1022 wrote:

Greybeard2017 wrote:

rla1022 wrote:

Inpuressa wrote:

rla1022 wrote:

Anyone get their hands on the xs10 that can confirm or deny if you can save recipes ?

Yes, you can save recipes on C1-4.

Thanks that’s disappointing. That’s a major difference between existing models that none of the reviews mention. I have xt2 and was going to UPGRADE for the new simulation stuff.

I'm confused - why is an improvement disappointing?

Because going from 7 to 4 without the ability to name them like the EXISTING line has. I use recipes. I like recipes. I wanted the lower entry bar because I gave the f2 35mm. But gonna just get the 100v.

"...going from 7 to 4..." - yes.

"... without the ability to name them..." - no.

And there’s not a single review that mentioned them. Hence disappointing. It’s a software thing and not anything hardware related.

I'm not a jpeg shooter, this camera was a total non-starter for me because it can't be set up at all like my three existing Fuji cameras - no MCS switch on the front, no d-pad, no exposure compensation on the front dial, no marked dials, everything in wrong place etc. I just assumed it must, at least, be optimized for the jpeg/recipe crowd, but that doesn't seem the case either. Other than IBIS, does this camera look like a step forward to any current Fuji users? Video people, maybe? The more I look at how this thing is configured, the more it looks like a dumpster fire of a camera to me.

As I'm not jpeg shooter too, I'm glad I can now store much more camera settings than jpeg related ones into custom slots. And, I can have totaly different camera behaviour by rotating only one dial, which is fast and bulletproof. If someone prefers to have a dedicated mechanical element for each camera function, so be it. I rather program my whole camera settings into memory banks. So, it's step forward to me.

Great then, I’m glad it works for someone, it wouldn’t work for me at all. I get that they wanted to make something for the PASM people, but did it have to be so unFujilike? You can’t even assign EC to the front dial like all the other models. Dumb, IMO

Im sure there might be a firmware update.  The dials are just decoupling them from the film simulation.

Mark Levine wrote:

OMG! Maybe the worst UI I've seen in a while but now I understand that once you've entered the page to edit custom settings, you can scroll down and down and down to see more settings. I think the functionality may be perfect. Thanks.

I have been using the X-T4 for several months now after moving over from Sony.  Once you get used to the Fuji menus, they are quite easy to use, especially compared to the Sony system (great cameras but their menus are a total disaster in my mind). After my wonderful experience with the X-T4, I recently bought the X-S10 for my wife who is a novice photographer. I was initially dismayed when I learned that I couldn't save the 7 film simulations like I could in the X-T4. However, the plus to having only 4 custom settings in the X-S10 is that you can save all of the shooting settings in addition to a  film simulation for each.  This is perfect for my wife because all she has to do is select one of the custom settings (which I pre-named for her) and then click away. Personally, I like using the dials on the X-T4 to customize my image - it reminds me of the film cameras I started with many years ago. But I can see why Fuji developed the X-S10, which appeals to a different type of photographer, and broadens their market.  I particularly found "John Peltier Photography" to be extremely valuable in learning the Fuji menus and for setting up both cameras - he has online tutorials with setup lessons for various Fujifilm cameras.  These are available for a reasonable monthly subscription price which can be canceled at any time  - I highly recommend his website as it really shortened my learning curve.  (I'm not paid for mentioning his website- just a satisfied customer).

This has been pretty confusing to someone that hasn't used custom settings, Q menu, and film simulations previously but intends to.
If I'm understanding correctly, the only way to create custom film simulation recipes is through the custom settings slots 1-4?
Or, is it possible to use custom settings for things like auto iso and exposure settings and then have a custom film simulation selected and active that is not coupled to C1-4?

Photo Legit wrote:

This has been pretty confusing to someone that hasn't used custom settings, Q menu, and film simulations previously but intends to.
If I'm understanding correctly, the only way to create custom film simulation recipes is through the custom settings slots 1-4?
Or, is it possible to use custom settings for things like auto iso and exposure settings and then have a custom film simulation selected and active that is not coupled to C1-4?

Yes.  It’s very confusing and none of the reviewers have tackled this question

Photo Legit wrote:

This has been pretty confusing to someone that hasn't used custom settings, Q menu, and film simulations previously but intends to.
If I'm understanding correctly, the only way to create custom film simulation recipes is through the custom settings slots 1-4?
Or, is it possible to use custom settings for things like auto iso and exposure settings and then have a custom film simulation selected and active that is not coupled to C1-4?

I'm pretty sure that the C1-4 buttons are the only place to store what you're looking to do. I have not found a way to store auto iso and exposure settings along with film simulations in any other place.

Just got my X-S10 and configuring it.

Here’s what I want to achieve.

1. Create and store custom film simulations

2. Set the camera to my custom film simulation of choice

3. Shoot like I normally do using dials for M/A/S/etc, white balance set, ISO set yada yada

Why in the world would custom film simulations not live in their own world with canned film simulations?

Seems like custom settings would exist for different situation to taste. Not dependent on the film, or film simulation in this case, being used.

Posted a separate thread on this also. Trying to set up custom modes in XS10 for JPEG sims/ recipes. Can save the recipe settings OK but when I try to use them the aperture is set to the one I was on when I made the custom setting and I can't change it. Also, all the info has disappeared from my VF. Any way of changing this as if not the camera will go back to the dealer

Heavens Light wrote:

Posted a separate thread on this also. Trying to set up custom modes in XS10 for JPEG sims/ recipes. Can save the recipe settings OK but when I try to use them the aperture is set to the one I was on when I made the custom setting and I can't change it. Also, all the info has disappeared from my VF. Any way of changing this as if not the camera will go back to the dealer

It seems you have to reconfigure your camera in the menu almost completely for each custom setting and save.
It's a little frustrating when there are settings you don't want to change globally.
For example, I have several manual lenses. I programmed my adapter mount settings to reflect that.
If I want to have those adapter mount settings in a custom setting I need to add all those lenses back in to each custom setting and save.

Photo Legit wrote:

It's a little frustrating when there are settings you don't want to change globally.
For example, I have several manual lenses. I programmed my adapter mount settings to reflect that.
If I want to have those adapter mount settings in a custom setting I need to add all those lenses back in to each custom setting and save.

Could you not have set up your adapter settings and then saved them into each of the custom settings (before you made the unique changes for each set)?

Greybeard2017 wrote:

Photo Legit wrote:

It's a little frustrating when there are settings you don't want to change globally.
For example, I have several manual lenses. I programmed my adapter mount settings to reflect that.
If I want to have those adapter mount settings in a custom setting I need to add all those lenses back in to each custom setting and save.

Could you not have set up your adapter settings and then saved them into each of the custom settings (before you made the unique changes for each set)?

The thing is, I don't want to make unique changes to each set for those settings like mount adapter.
Those settings don't transfer when you move to a custom setting mode. You basically start from scratch.
Same for other settings like MF assist. For each Custom Setting, you need to manually set which MF assist you want and save. Even shooting mode (A, P, M) and focus mode.
It's a little disorienting when you switch from C1 to C2 and everything isn't set up the way you normally work because you forgot to configure and save.
Hey, I was in aperture priority and now I'm in C1 which is set to P!
It would be very useful if Fuji implemented some type of option to sync specific settings or go off a base.

Photo Legit wrote:

Greybeard2017 wrote:

Photo Legit wrote:

It's a little frustrating when there are settings you don't want to change globally.
For example, I have several manual lenses. I programmed my adapter mount settings to reflect that.
If I want to have those adapter mount settings in a custom setting I need to add all those lenses back in to each custom setting and save.

Could you not have set up your adapter settings and then saved them into each of the custom settings (before you made the unique changes for each set)?

The thing is, I don't want to make unique changes to each set for those settings like mount adapter.
Those settings don't transfer when you move to a custom setting mode. You basically start from scratch.
Same for other settings like MF assist. For each Custom Setting, you need to manually set which MF assist you want and save. Even shooting mode (A, P, M) and focus mode.
It's a little disorienting when you switch from C1 to C2 and everything isn't set up the way you normally work because you forgot to configure and save.
Hey, I was in aperture priority and now I'm in C1 which is set to P!
It would be very useful if Fuji implemented some type of option to sync specific settings or go off a base.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you are trying to do - but you could set up the mount adapter settings and then just save them to each of the custom settings - i.e. save all the current settings.

You would then have to customize the individual settings (C1-C4) in the way you want so it probably only makes sense when you are starting your configuration - but you would only need to set your adapter settings once.

dhearsch wrote:

The custom settings include many more options that can be saved (as previously mentioned) - INCLUDING WHITE BALANCE SHIFT! Yes - you can save a specific white balance and a specific shift with each of the 4 custom settings. This is a really nice feature if you like to use film sim recipes

Yes, it`s a feature that (finally) got introduced way back with X-Pro3, being included with all the following models, too... and one of the things that never came to X-T3, eh.