Trade my Canon 6dii for Canon M6ii?

shuutrr wrote:

Caught this this morning with the M6 II and 11 X 22. I prefer the EVF because I can't see the screen well enough, most of the time. I know it seems fiddly but you can stuff it in your pocket or not, you really can't hurt it, very easily. With the EVF in your pocket, or somewhere, you can stuff the body and lens in a very compact space.

The size, weight, and performance of the M6 II just continues to make me a believer and I have and love both of the 6Ds. But the M6 II provides equal performance for so much less schlep. It's just easier, more fun, less effort for equal or better output. It's an incredible little producer.

shuutrr

That's a beautiful view. I like your comment about less schlep.  We recently went on an easy one-mile hike to scout out two waterfalls.  I came up with excuses (bad light, low water, leaves are all off the trees) and left the 6dii in the car.  If I'm not going to use it then, I'm just not going to use anymore.  Thanks!

Thanks to RLight and Nnowalk for this discussion.  My recent responses in this thread have been solely in regard to trading the 6D2 with an L zoom for an RP with STM zoom.  Especially since the OP already has the former and would have to sell and re-buy to make that lateral trade.  I only joined this discussion because I have thought about this myself and it only made sense going for the RF L zoom - i.e. starting down the road to converting to an R kit.  I also figured I'd have to buy the 35 and 80 RF macro primes and so the $$ for this one move began to add up.  To me, the RP only makes sense within the context of a full R system.  Just like the M only makes sense in the context of an EF system.  Neither are complete by themselves.

Yes, this is all personal trade-offs.  When I purchased my original 5D and 24-105 IS L in 2006 it was a revolution in my photography.  The images were stunning, as they still are still with my 5D4 or 6D2 and that same 24-105 lens.  Add in the 100-400 L and I'm photographically blessed.  I've always concluded that the f2.8 L zooms and the big whites were above my pay grade, same as the 1 series bodies.  The high end RF lenses are phenomenal, but not worth the upgrade costs to me.  I'd have to replace over a dozen nice EF lenses that I've collected over 17 years.  Several of these don't exist outside EF.

My original post in this thread suggested BonnieSueM, the OP, consider adding a G1X3 as a light alternative.  I still think this the best option.  Its lens and 24 MP APS-C sensor are phenomenal for a 14 oz camera.  Its better than my EF-S 15-85 which has always been my best APS-C general purpose zoom.  This is the first G series I'd make this claim about.  The M and Rebel kit zooms can't compare.  However there are some great EF-S and M lenses.  The R system has good lenses  but they are incompatible with EF cameras like the 6D2 or M.  Buying an RP starts down the road of switching to a full R system - a big choice.  This may be just me.  I don't like adapters and one of the biggest hassles with my M6II is that I have to use an adapter for my preferred lenses (except the 11-22 and Sigma 56).  Adapters also add at least 1/4 lb to the weight calculations.

I get light weight, I love hiking and backpacking.  The G1X3 + M6II + 35 macro + 55-250 weighs less than 3 1/2 lbs.  I also appreciate full frame and the f4 L zooms.  I find both indispensable.  The G is there when I have the 100-400 on my DSLR or I'm just out in the city.

Again, thanks for the discussion.  Its helped me confirm my thoughts on this subject just as I'm sure its helped you confirm yours.  Good luck to BonnieSue in your decision process.

Be sure to look at the original when comparing.

An in-camera panorama

nolten wrote:

Thanks to RLight and Nnowalk for this discussion.

Yes, Thanks!

My recent responses in this thread have been solely in regard to trading the 6D2 with an L zoom for an RP with STM zoom. Especially since the OP already has the former and would have to sell and re-buy to make that lateral trade. I only joined this discussion because I have thought about this myself and it only made sense going for the RF L zoom - i.e. starting down the road to converting to an R kit. I also figured I'd have to buy the 35 and 80 RF macro primes and so the $$ for this one move began to add up. To me, the RP only makes sense within the context of a full R system. Just like the M only makes sense in the context of an EF system. Neither are complete by themselves.

Yes, this is all personal trade-offs. When I purchased my original 5D and 24-105 IS L in 2006 it was a revolution in my photography. The images were stunning, as they still are still with my 5D4 or 6D2 and that same 24-105 lens. Add in the 100-400 L and I'm photographically blessed. I've always concluded that the f2.8 L zooms and the big whites were above my pay grade, same as the 1 series bodies. The high end RF lenses are phenomenal, but not worth the upgrade costs to me. I'd have to replace over a dozen nice EF lenses that I've collected over 17 years. Several of these don't exist outside EF.

My original post in this thread suggested BonnieSueM, the OP, consider adding a G1X3 as a light alternative. I still think this the best option. Its lens and 24 MP APS-C sensor are phenomenal for a 14 oz camera. Its better than my EF-S 15-85 which has always been my best APS-C general purpose zoom. This is the first G series I'd make this claim about. The M and Rebel kit zooms can't compare. However there are some great EF-S and M lenses. The R system has good lenses but they are incompatible with EF cameras like the 6D2 or M. Buying an RP starts down the road of switching to a full R system - a big choice. This may be just me. I don't like adapters and one of the biggest hassles with my M6II is that I have to use an adapter for my preferred lenses (except the 11-22 and Sigma 56). Adapters also add at least 1/4 lb to the weight calculations.

I get light weight, I love hiking and backpacking. The G1X3 + M6II + 35 macro + 55-250 weighs less than 3 1/2 lbs. I also appreciate full frame and the f4 L zooms. I find both indispensable. The G is there when I have the 100-400 on my DSLR or I'm just out in the city.

Again, thanks for the discussion. Its helped me confirm my thoughts on this subject just as I'm sure its helped you confirm yours. Good luck to BonnieSue in your decision process.

Be sure to look at the original when comparing.

An in-camera panorama

I've decided to go ahead and switch to the m6ii.

I agree with that the RP is not the choice for me (but it was worth thinking about). I'm not interested in going to the R. I'm not knocking the R system. I think it has huge potential for professionals and some enthusiasts, but I think the size, weight, and price for the L lenses is overkill for me.

I've looked at the G1xIII before.  I tried to talk my sister into it, but she went for the G5X.  Right now, I still have the m100 and adding another body is not the way to go for me.  If I ever get to travel to a big city again (remember what that was like?) where I don't want to be changing lenses, I'll look into it again. They are down to $400-600 used on ebay.

Love your photos!

Thanks!

All of these cameras produce such great images for most uses its really hard to go wrong.  Over on the Powershot forum I've read lots of posts where people say they've looked at the G1X but a cheaper G series does everything they want.  Can't argue with that.

I really like my M6II, its my first M but its a really high performance little camera.  I love the focus stacking feature and the speed when needed.  I've gotten used to the external EVF and prefer it to the rear LCD for most uses.  Only issue I've had is finding a standard range zoom.  The 11-22 is great but too wide for my regular use.  But I have my G so I mostly use the M with the 55-250 or 70-300 II as my reach camera.  The 70-300 has really fast nano-USM AF (as would your 100-400) which matches the AF and speed of the M6II really well.  Most of the time the 55-250 works well and is a much easier carry.  See, too many choices.  A lot of nice M primes to tempt you too.

Enjoy.  And yes I'm looking forward to traveling again too!  Maybe next year.

I've had the m6ii for a few weeks now and I'm happy with it.  I did some hiking and my backpack was never too heavy.  I was using the Peak Design Capture Clip and it felt very secure.  I did have some lens creep with the 18-150, but not too bad.  I'm leaving the EVF on the camera and it's working out.  The biggest problem I have is accidentally activating the EVF when I have the LCD screen tilted.  Still figuring out some of the features like focus stacking.  I took some sequences with landscapes that ended up with too few shots, but at least the foreground was sharp.  And I have to break myself of the habit of focus/recompose that was necessary because of the limited AF points on the 6dii.  I've got the Canon ef-m 32 on order, so looking forward to checking out the combo.

Thanks everyone for the advice, here's the required dog shot

Shot with the ef-m 22 and window light.

BonnieSueM wrote:

I've had the m6ii for a few weeks now and I'm happy with it. I did some hiking and my backpack was never too heavy. I was using the Peak Design Capture Clip and it felt very secure.

I don't use one but be cautious - I think I have read of several people having issues with the bottom plastic plate of the camera cracking up around the tripod socket when using these on M bodies.

I did have some lens creep with the 18-150, but not too bad. I'm leaving the EVF on the camera and it's working out. The biggest problem I have is accidentally activating the EVF when I have the LCD screen tilted. Still figuring out some of the features like focus stacking. I took some sequences with landscapes that ended up with too few shots, but at least the foreground was sharp. And I have to break myself of the habit of focus/recompose that was necessary because of the limited AF points on the 6dii. I've got the Canon ef-m 32 on order, so looking forward to checking out the combo.

Thanks everyone for the advice, here's the required dog shot

Lovely shot.

Shot with the ef-m 22 and window light.

Colin

Andy01 wrote:

I don't use one but be cautious - I think I have read of several people having issues with the bottom plastic plate of the camera cracking up around the tripod socket when using these on M bodies.

Lovely shot.

Colin

Thanks, I'll be careful.  I can see how part of the problem might be that you have to remove the capture clip plate to change the battery.  Repeated tightening might be what cracks it.

BonnieSueM wrote:

Andy01 wrote:

I don't use one but be cautious - I think I have read of several people having issues with the bottom plastic plate of the camera cracking up around the tripod socket when using these on M bodies.

Lovely shot.

Colin

Thanks, I'll be careful. I can see how part of the problem might be that you have to remove the capture clip plate to change the battery. Repeated tightening might be what cracks it.

I seem to remember that the comments from those that experienced the failures was that they thought it was the constant "bouncing" up and down (the whole camera + lens weight is hanging off the screw) while walking/hiking etc that basically caused a fatigue failure of the area. I could see how repeated tightening of the screw (especially over-zealous tightening) could contribute to the failures though.

Colin

Andy01 wrote:

BonnieSueM wrote:

Andy01 wrote:

I don't use one but be cautious - I think I have read of several people having issues with the bottom plastic plate of the camera cracking up around the tripod socket when using these on M bodies.

Lovely shot.

Colin

Thanks, I'll be careful. I can see how part of the problem might be that you have to remove the capture clip plate to change the battery. Repeated tightening might be what cracks it.

I seem to remember that the comments from those that experienced the failures was that they thought it was the constant "bouncing" up and down (the whole camera + lens weight is hanging off the screw) while walking/hiking etc that basically caused a fatigue failure of the area. I could see how repeated tightening of the screw (especially over-zealous tightening) could contribute to the failures though.

Colin

Some of the most recent failures IIRC were indeed due to over-tightening the screw, resulting in an immediate cracking of the bottom plate. Others happened over time. I dug up one of the old threads...

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4307787

I’ve purchased the parts necessary to reinforce the plate on my M6ii, but haven’t worked up the courage yet to perform the risky operation. Thus far I’ve just been careful.

R2

R2D2 wrote:

Andy01 wrote:

BonnieSueM wrote:

Andy01 wrote:

I don't use one but be cautious - I think I have read of several people having issues with the bottom plastic plate of the camera cracking up around the tripod socket when using these on M bodies.

Lovely shot.

Colin

Thanks, I'll be careful. I can see how part of the problem might be that you have to remove the capture clip plate to change the battery. Repeated tightening might be what cracks it.

I seem to remember that the comments from those that experienced the failures was that they thought it was the constant "bouncing" up and down (the whole camera + lens weight is hanging off the screw) while walking/hiking etc that basically caused a fatigue failure of the area. I could see how repeated tightening of the screw (especially over-zealous tightening) could contribute to the failures though.

Colin

Some of the most recent failures IIRC were indeed due to over-tightening the screw, resulting in an immediate cracking of the bottom plate. Others happened over time. I dug up one of the old threads...

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4307787

I’ve purchased the parts necessary to reinforce the plate on my M6ii, but haven’t worked up the courage yet to perform the risky operation. Thus far I’ve just been careful.

R2

Thanks for the heads up.  I'll be sure to limit how much I use the capture clip.