E-M10II IBIS is darn good with 100-400mm

BG28 wrote:

Henry Richardson wrote:

BG28 wrote:

Based on what Robin Wong explained in one of his videos:

1. When using an Oly lens AND body with SYNC IS (12-100, 300), both body and lens IS work together. Oly's 100-400 does not have this.

2. When using an Oly lens (with IS) on a non-SYNC IS body (ex EM-10 series, E-PLx), the lens IS is working, and the IBIS is turned off. Even though there are menu controls for doing the opposite, only the above is true. Oly doesn't give the user a choice.

3. When using an Oly lens (w/o IS) or any Panasonic lens, IBIS is the default. The menu option to turn off body and use lens IS is there specifically to use with Pany lenses, so that when using a Pany telephoto we can use the more effective lens IS.

If I understand Robin correctly, all the images you took are using the 100-400 lens IS. No matter what menu options you chose, the lens IS is the default system because neither the 100-400 nor the EM-10 has SYNC IS, so the camera turns off IBIS.

In the last photo I had the body IS turned ON and the lens IS turned OFF. I assume that the lens IS when switched to OFF turns it OFF so I think that last photo is with only IBIS.

Robin speaks specifically to this case (No. 2 above), and says that since lens IS is the default in a non-SYNC IS body/lens combo (EM10, 100-400) in which you have an Oly camera with an Oly lens-IS-capable lens, lens IS in the ONLY option for image stabilization in this situation. When you turned the IS switch on the lens to 'off', you were turning off ALL image stabilization. Considering that, the shot you took is pretty good!

Remember, the 'Lens IS Priority' menu option only works with Pany lenses. It does absolutely nothing with Oly lenses.

To sum up, outside of the SYNC IS capability, IBIS is turned on in Oly cameras only

1.) when the lens has no IS and

2.) when using a non-Oly lens.

The manual says differently.

Excerpt from Olympus 100-400 manual:

IS-Switch

ON: The stabilizing function of the lens
operates.
OFF: The stabilizing function of the lens is off.
The stabilizing function of the camera
operates according to the setting on the
camera. If you do not want to use the
stabilizing function, disable the function
on both the camera and the lens

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vnZ3jhQolM

I whole-heartedly agree with you on the strengths and versatility of m43. I love this system and its cameras and lenses, even though my GAS tells me "we need more moRE MORE".

I really like the modularity of the E-M10II. Too bad the E-M10III got so many things removed from the firmware. The E-M10IV restored some things, but some of the things I use with the E-M10II every time I take it out are still gone. Same for the E-M5III.

BG28 wrote:

Henry Richardson wrote:

BG28 wrote:

Based on what Robin Wong explained in one of his videos:

1. When using an Oly lens AND body with SYNC IS (12-100, 300), both body and lens IS work together. Oly's 100-400 does not have this.

2. When using an Oly lens (with IS) on a non-SYNC IS body (ex EM-10 series, E-PLx), the lens IS is working, and the IBIS is turned off. Even though there are menu controls for doing the opposite, only the above is true. Oly doesn't give the user a choice.

3. When using an Oly lens (w/o IS) or any Panasonic lens, IBIS is the default. The menu option to turn off body and use lens IS is there specifically to use with Pany lenses, so that when using a Pany telephoto we can use the more effective lens IS.

If I understand Robin correctly, all the images you took are using the 100-400 lens IS. No matter what menu options you chose, the lens IS is the default system because neither the 100-400 nor the EM-10 has SYNC IS, so the camera turns off IBIS.

In the last photo I had the body IS turned ON and the lens IS turned OFF. I assume that the lens IS when switched to OFF turns it OFF so I think that last photo is with only IBIS.

Robin speaks specifically to this case (No. 2 above), and says that since lens IS is the default in a non-SYNC IS body/lens combo (EM10, 100-400) in which you have an Oly camera with an Oly lens-IS-capable lens, lens IS in the ONLY option for image stabilization in this situation. When you turned the IS switch on the lens to 'off', you were turning off ALL image stabilization. Considering that, the shot you took is pretty good!

Remember, the 'Lens IS Priority' menu option only works with Pany lenses. It does absolutely nothing with Oly lenses.

To sum up, outside of the SYNC IS capability, IBIS is turned on in Oly cameras only

1.) when the lens has no IS and

2.) when using a non-Oly lens.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vnZ3jhQolM

I whole-heartedly agree with you on the strengths and versatility of m43. I love this system and its cameras and lenses, even though my GAS tells me "we need more moRE MORE".

I really like the modularity of the E-M10II. Too bad the E-M10III got so many things removed from the firmware. The E-M10IV restored some things, but some of the things I use with the E-M10II every time I take it out are still gone. Same for the E-M5III.

There is an IS switch on the lens.  I turned it off so I assume it turned IS off.

Henry Richardson wrote:

BG28 wrote:

Henry Richardson wrote:

BG28 wrote:

Based on what Robin Wong explained in one of his videos:

1. When using an Oly lens AND body with SYNC IS (12-100, 300), both body and lens IS work together. Oly's 100-400 does not have this.

2. When using an Oly lens (with IS) on a non-SYNC IS body (ex EM-10 series, E-PLx), the lens IS is working, and the IBIS is turned off. Even though there are menu controls for doing the opposite, only the above is true. Oly doesn't give the user a choice.

3. When using an Oly lens (w/o IS) or any Panasonic lens, IBIS is the default. The menu option to turn off body and use lens IS is there specifically to use with Pany lenses, so that when using a Pany telephoto we can use the more effective lens IS.

If I understand Robin correctly, all the images you took are using the 100-400 lens IS. No matter what menu options you chose, the lens IS is the default system because neither the 100-400 nor the EM-10 has SYNC IS, so the camera turns off IBIS.

In the last photo I had the body IS turned ON and the lens IS turned OFF. I assume that the lens IS when switched to OFF turns it OFF so I think that last photo is with only IBIS.

Robin speaks specifically to this case (No. 2 above), and says that since lens IS is the default in a non-SYNC IS body/lens combo (EM10, 100-400) in which you have an Oly camera with an Oly lens-IS-capable lens, lens IS in the ONLY option for image stabilization in this situation. When you turned the IS switch on the lens to 'off', you were turning off ALL image stabilization. Considering that, the shot you took is pretty good!

Remember, the 'Lens IS Priority' menu option only works with Pany lenses. It does absolutely nothing with Oly lenses.

To sum up, outside of the SYNC IS capability, IBIS is turned on in Oly cameras only

1.) when the lens has no IS and

2.) when using a non-Oly lens.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vnZ3jhQolM

I whole-heartedly agree with you on the strengths and versatility of m43. I love this system and its cameras and lenses, even though my GAS tells me "we need more moRE MORE".

I really like the modularity of the E-M10II. Too bad the E-M10III got so many things removed from the firmware. The E-M10IV restored some things, but some of the things I use with the E-M10II every time I take it out are still gone. Same for the E-M5III.

There is an IS switch on the lens. I turned it off so I assume it turned IS off.

The manual says that when turning the on-lens IS switch off, the camera's stabilizing function operates according to the setting on the camera. I do not have the lens to verify that. Can any owners confirm?

SrMi wrote:

BG28 wrote:

Henry Richardson wrote:

BG28 wrote:

Based on what Robin Wong explained in one of his videos:

1. When using an Oly lens AND body with SYNC IS (12-100, 300), both body and lens IS work together. Oly's 100-400 does not have this.

2. When using an Oly lens (with IS) on a non-SYNC IS body (ex EM-10 series, E-PLx), the lens IS is working, and the IBIS is turned off. Even though there are menu controls for doing the opposite, only the above is true. Oly doesn't give the user a choice.

3. When using an Oly lens (w/o IS) or any Panasonic lens, IBIS is the default. The menu option to turn off body and use lens IS is there specifically to use with Pany lenses, so that when using a Pany telephoto we can use the more effective lens IS.

If I understand Robin correctly, all the images you took are using the 100-400 lens IS. No matter what menu options you chose, the lens IS is the default system because neither the 100-400 nor the EM-10 has SYNC IS, so the camera turns off IBIS.

In the last photo I had the body IS turned ON and the lens IS turned OFF. I assume that the lens IS when switched to OFF turns it OFF so I think that last photo is with only IBIS.

Robin speaks specifically to this case (No. 2 above), and says that since lens IS is the default in a non-SYNC IS body/lens combo (EM10, 100-400) in which you have an Oly camera with an Oly lens-IS-capable lens, lens IS in the ONLY option for image stabilization in this situation. When you turned the IS switch on the lens to 'off', you were turning off ALL image stabilization. Considering that, the shot you took is pretty good!

Remember, the 'Lens IS Priority' menu option only works with Pany lenses. It does absolutely nothing with Oly lenses.

To sum up, outside of the SYNC IS capability, IBIS is turned on in Oly cameras only

1.) when the lens has no IS and

2.) when using a non-Oly lens.

The manual says differently.

Excerpt from Olympus 100-400 manual:

IS-Switch

ON: The stabilizing function of the lens
operates.
OFF: The stabilizing function of the lens is off.
The stabilizing function of the camera
operates according to the setting on the
camera. If you do not want to use the
stabilizing function, disable the function
on both the camera and the lens

Thanks for the info.

BG28 wrote:

SrMi wrote:

BG28 wrote:

Henry Richardson wrote:

BG28 wrote:

Based on what Robin Wong explained in one of his videos:

1. When using an Oly lens AND body with SYNC IS (12-100, 300), both body and lens IS work together. Oly's 100-400 does not have this.

2. When using an Oly lens (with IS) on a non-SYNC IS body (ex EM-10 series, E-PLx), the lens IS is working, and the IBIS is turned off. Even though there are menu controls for doing the opposite, only the above is true. Oly doesn't give the user a choice.

3. When using an Oly lens (w/o IS) or any Panasonic lens, IBIS is the default. The menu option to turn off body and use lens IS is there specifically to use with Pany lenses, so that when using a Pany telephoto we can use the more effective lens IS.

If I understand Robin correctly, all the images you took are using the 100-400 lens IS. No matter what menu options you chose, the lens IS is the default system because neither the 100-400 nor the EM-10 has SYNC IS, so the camera turns off IBIS.

In the last photo I had the body IS turned ON and the lens IS turned OFF. I assume that the lens IS when switched to OFF turns it OFF so I think that last photo is with only IBIS.

Robin speaks specifically to this case (No. 2 above), and says that since lens IS is the default in a non-SYNC IS body/lens combo (EM10, 100-400) in which you have an Oly camera with an Oly lens-IS-capable lens, lens IS in the ONLY option for image stabilization in this situation. When you turned the IS switch on the lens to 'off', you were turning off ALL image stabilization. Considering that, the shot you took is pretty good!

Remember, the 'Lens IS Priority' menu option only works with Pany lenses. It does absolutely nothing with Oly lenses.

To sum up, outside of the SYNC IS capability, IBIS is turned on in Oly cameras only

1.) when the lens has no IS and

2.) when using a non-Oly lens.

The manual says differently.

Excerpt from Olympus 100-400 manual:

IS-Switch

ON: The stabilizing function of the lens
operates.
OFF: The stabilizing function of the lens is off.
The stabilizing function of the camera
operates according to the setting on the
camera. If you do not want to use the
stabilizing function, disable the function
on both the camera and the lens

oh man.. sounds like Olympus needs to talk to their Boy!

I cannot find anywhere that Robin Wong says that the on-lens IS switch turns IBIS off as well, neither in the YouTube lens review transcript nor on his blog.

BG28 wrote:

SrMi wrote:

BG28 wrote:

SrMi wrote:

BG28 wrote:

Henry Richardson wrote:

BG28 wrote:

Based on what Robin Wong explained in one of his videos:

1. When using an Oly lens AND body with SYNC IS (12-100, 300), both body and lens IS work together. Oly's 100-400 does not have this.

2. When using an Oly lens (with IS) on a non-SYNC IS body (ex EM-10 series, E-PLx), the lens IS is working, and the IBIS is turned off. Even though there are menu controls for doing the opposite, only the above is true. Oly doesn't give the user a choice.

3. When using an Oly lens (w/o IS) or any Panasonic lens, IBIS is the default. The menu option to turn off body and use lens IS is there specifically to use with Pany lenses, so that when using a Pany telephoto we can use the more effective lens IS.

If I understand Robin correctly, all the images you took are using the 100-400 lens IS. No matter what menu options you chose, the lens IS is the default system because neither the 100-400 nor the EM-10 has SYNC IS, so the camera turns off IBIS.

In the last photo I had the body IS turned ON and the lens IS turned OFF. I assume that the lens IS when switched to OFF turns it OFF so I think that last photo is with only IBIS.

Robin speaks specifically to this case (No. 2 above), and says that since lens IS is the default in a non-SYNC IS body/lens combo (EM10, 100-400) in which you have an Oly camera with an Oly lens-IS-capable lens, lens IS in the ONLY option for image stabilization in this situation. When you turned the IS switch on the lens to 'off', you were turning off ALL image stabilization. Considering that, the shot you took is pretty good!

Remember, the 'Lens IS Priority' menu option only works with Pany lenses. It does absolutely nothing with Oly lenses.

To sum up, outside of the SYNC IS capability, IBIS is turned on in Oly cameras only

1.) when the lens has no IS and

2.) when using a non-Oly lens.

The manual says differently.

Excerpt from Olympus 100-400 manual:

IS-Switch

ON: The stabilizing function of the lens
operates.
OFF: The stabilizing function of the lens is off.
The stabilizing function of the camera
operates according to the setting on the
camera. If you do not want to use the
stabilizing function, disable the function
on both the camera and the lens

oh man.. sounds like Olympus needs to talk to their Boy!

I cannot find anywhere that Robin Wong says that the on-lens IS switch turns IBIS off as well, neither in the YouTube lens review transcript nor on his blog.

Go to Robin's youtube link I posted above, and start watching at 1:40.

Thank you, I was looking at his 100-400 review.

In the link you shared, Robin said that with cameras that are not compatible with 5-axis Sync IS (EM-10 and EP-9) and with Olympus lenses with OIS, you get lens-only image stabilization, and IBIS is turned off. The on-lens IS switch does not influence the IBIS. It is always off. All my bodies are 5-axis Sync IS compatible, so I cannot verify.

SrMi wrote:

In the link you shared, Robin said that with cameras that are not compatible with 5-axis Sync IS (EM-10 and EP-9) and with Olympus lenses with OIS, you get lens-only image stabilization, and IBIS is turned off. The on-lens IS switch does not influence the IBIS. It is always off. All my bodies are 5-axis Sync IS compatible, so I cannot verify.

I think Robin has incorrect info (or the characterization of what he said). I assure you, I have never been able to get a sharp 800mm-efl handheld photo at 1/30 second, particularly without any bracing, without any special care, and after drinking 2 cups of coffee. I turned off the lens IS switch and turned on the body IS switch for the photo. I think that almost surely means that ILIS is off and IBIS is on.

Henry Richardson wrote:

SrMi wrote:

In the link you shared, Robin said that with cameras that are not compatible with 5-axis Sync IS (EM-10 and EP-9) and with Olympus lenses with OIS, you get lens-only image stabilization, and IBIS is turned off. The on-lens IS switch does not influence the IBIS. It is always off. All my bodies are 5-axis Sync IS compatible, so I cannot verify.

I think Robin has incorrect info (or the characterization of what he said). I assure you, I have never been able to get a sharp 800mm-efl handheld photo at 1/30 second, particularly without any bracing, without any special care, and after drinking 2 cups of coffee. I turned off the lens IS switch and turned on the body IS switch for the photo. I think that almost surely means that ILIS is off and IBIS is on.

Agreed.

E-M10II is too small (hence, the grip) and I'd rather use a larger body with a big telephoto.  As a near pocketable camera with a short lens, it's great.

Henry Richardson wrote:

SrMi wrote:

In the link you shared, Robin said that with cameras that are not compatible with 5-axis Sync IS (EM-10 and EP-9) and with Olympus lenses with OIS, you get lens-only image stabilization, and IBIS is turned off. The on-lens IS switch does not influence the IBIS. It is always off. All my bodies are 5-axis Sync IS compatible, so I cannot verify.

I think Robin has incorrect info (or the characterization of what he said). I assure you, I have never been able to get a sharp 800mm-efl handheld photo at 1/30 second, particularly without any bracing, without any special care, and after drinking 2 cups of coffee. I turned off the lens IS switch and turned on the body IS switch for the photo. I think that almost surely means that ILIS is off and IBIS is on.

Robin's YouTube video that we are discussing was from April 2020. The 100-400 was announced in August 2020. It works apparently differently than 12-100/4 and 300/4.

From 300/4 and 12-100/4 manual:

IS switch
ON: Stabilizing functions in the lens and camera operate. The IS operates according
to the IS setting in the camera.
OFF: Stabilizing functions in both the lens and camera are off.

From 100-400 manual:

IS switch
ON: The stabilizing function of the lens operates.
OFF: The stabilizing function of the lens is off. The stabilizing function of the camera operates according to the setting on the camera. If you do not want to use the stabilizing function, disable the function on both the camera and the lens.

SrMi wrote:

Robin's YouTube video that we are discussing was from April 2020. The 100-400 was announced in August 2020. It works apparently differently than 12-100/4 and 300/4.

From 300/4 and 12-100/4 manual:

IS switch
ON: Stabilizing functions in the lens and camera operate. The IS operates according
to the IS setting in the camera.
OFF: Stabilizing functions in both the lens and camera are off.

From 100-400 manual:

IS switch
ON: The stabilizing function of the lens operates.
OFF: The stabilizing function of the lens is off. The stabilizing function of the camera operates according to the setting on the camera. If you do not want to use the stabilizing function, disable the function on both the camera and the lens.

Yes, that makes sense and exactly as one would expect.  Thank you.