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Best way to use an android hiking camera?

Started Oct 25, 2020 | Questions
steve_AZ Junior Member • Posts: 42
Best way to use an android hiking camera?
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I dropped my trusty hiking camera (Canon G9x) and decided to replace it with a Pixel4a.  First smartphone for me and I don't want to "dig deep" learning this thing - just get the most out of the camera while hiking in the AZ desert,

Between bright sun, bifocal sunglasses, polarization conflicts, and phone "sensitivity" (side buttons and touchscreen), when I pull it out of my pocket it's often not in my desired "camera mode" and I can't easily tell.  BTW I just take snapshots of the scenes - no pretense of being a photographer.

Is there a method (or App?) which will allow me to keep the phone is "standard" camera mode while being jostled in and out of my pocket?  Further it'd be useful for the screen to be "toggleable" to save battery.   I just finished editing pics from yesterday and I have plenty of lengthy videos taken inside my pocket.

None of this was ever a problem with a standard pocket camera.

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I2K4
I2K4 Senior Member • Posts: 1,441
Re: Best way to use an android hiking camera?

Don't own the phone, but this is a paste in from suggestions in another thread:

The particular joy of the Google Pixel camera app is its point / click simplicity, with the algorithm doing the thinking. Why not just try some "manual" style apps on the Pixel phone? There are several highly rated, the best cost a few bucks, and you can manually set shutter speed fast as the hardware can go. Open Camera (or I the spin-off with extras, Hedgecam2 that's stable on my Moto) are free and very capable. I bought Camera FV-5 years ago and very much like the new version 5.x of that for manual set ups. Snap Camera HDR is also very configurable with multiple presets out of the box.

There are several other comparably good and sophisticated apps but compatibility with devices varies in Android world - sad fact is many Android users are "stuck with" the manufacturer's preinstalled camera app because of unusual multiple lenses and sensors - most paid third party apps have free trial versions to test compatibility while limiting functionality in various ways.

If you want to define presets, Snap Camera HDR supports "zero shutter lag" comparable to Google Camera's HDR+ and deep customization that can be saved as dialed Custom presets - can't say if it works on the Pixel phones.

(Have to say, while I like shooting with Google GCam - ported on my Moto - and above third party apps I pack another camera if anticipating heavy use, mainly for battery life.  The phone for me is foremost an emergency communication and geolocation tool, and heavy screen use with hi res photography drains the battery fast.)

OP steve_AZ Junior Member • Posts: 42
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Thanks for the input.  I may look into some of these Apps  but I actually got an "in person" suggestion from a young friend a couple hours after my post: lock the phone before pocketing it.  I verified this is easily done with the fingerprint sensor and it's easily unlocked the same way after I pull it out of my pocket.  If this works in the field that solves about 2/3 of my gripe.

Still need to find an improved way to work with the screen in the bright sun.  Unpolarized sunglasses, reading sunglasses, or...?

I2K4
I2K4 Senior Member • Posts: 1,441
Re: Best way to use an android hiking camera?

steve_AZ wrote:

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Still need to find an improved way to work with the screen in the bright sun. Unpolarized sunglasses, reading sunglasses, or...?

Glad you're sorting it out. I find lack of an EVF a real limit, one of the best things about Google's GCam automation is how little you need to see as compared with manual settings. I just keep a screen brightness control app next to the camera and shoot RAW/DNG for more flexibility post-processing, but there are other ideas floating around here. If conditions are really bad, you can shoot exposure brackets with manual apps - Snap Camera and I think Hedgecam will save all the bracketed singles along with the algorithmically processed HDR composite.  Enjoy the phone.

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OP steve_AZ Junior Member • Posts: 42
Re: Best way to use an android hiking camera?

Thanks again.  That OKO idea is very cool though not pocketable enough for my purposes.  I think I just need to optimize my screen view in the field (turn up brightness, get the glasses right, etc.).  It's not so much a matter of making camera adjustments or reading the "fine print"...just want a vague idea whether my subject (a petroglyph for example) is in the frame!

I2K4
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Re: Best way to use an android hiking camera?

It's hard to shoot blind - been there. Depending on terrain and conditions you might experimnt with the Super Res Zoom for some compositions - it's not up to optical telephoto but can do pretty well at lower reaches. I think it's been getting some work in recent versions of the app. On my ported GCam, combined with HDR+ it's noticeably better than standard digital zoom.  (One of my first vacations with a digetal cam was Phoenix / Sedona back in the 00s, envy the scenery and local culture.)

mfinley
mfinley Veteran Member • Posts: 7,066
Re: Best way to use an android hiking camera?

steve_AZ wrote:

when I pull it out of my pocket it's often not in my desired "camera mode" and I can't easily tell. BTW I just take snapshots of the scenes - no pretense of being a photographer.

Is there a method (or App?) which will allow me to keep the phone is "standard" camera mode while being jostled in and out of my pocket?

Don't know if your Pixel 4 acts the same ways as my Pixel 3, but if it does, the way I do it is to use the double squeeze of the power button whenever I want to use the camera when I pull it out of my pocket. This simple method turns on the phone and activates the camera and you are ready to shoot.

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phouphou Contributing Member • Posts: 909
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I have a FF camera but used a phone for when i'm out with my MTB or hiking and not willing to carry the ILC.

But in the end fiddling with my smartphone that is also my lifeline if anything goes wrong (i take many pictures so dropping it or draining the battery could be a problem) and only delivers mediocre results compared to the FF system made me look for the most capable small P&S camera.

I used to have a RX100 but find my GRii to be alot more capable (IQ wise) and easier to handle. A spare battery is tiny and weighs nothing.

It fits in my camelbak hipbelt pocket unlike some of the bigger 6.5" smartphones and is ready to shoot even when im still on my bike, which is really great. Impossible to do with a smartphone, since i wear MTB gloves.

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Re: Best way to use an android hiking camera?

mfinley wrote:

steve_AZ wrote:

when I pull it out of my pocket it's often not in my desired "camera mode" and I can't easily tell. BTW I just take snapshots of the scenes - no pretense of being a photographer.

Is there a method (or App?) which will allow me to keep the phone is "standard" camera mode while being jostled in and out of my pocket?

Don't know if your Pixel 4 acts the same ways as my Pixel 3, but if it does, the way I do it is to use the double squeeze of the power button whenever I want to use the camera when I pull it out of my pocket. This simple method turns on the phone and activates the camera and you are ready to shoot.

My Samsung phones do this too. I assume it is a normal Android thing, but might need setting.

When not taking a camera I use the Adonit Photogrip for a shutter button and grip. Excellent semi-camera-like experience having a comfortable grip and shutter button on top. Tiny lag with the shutter as it is Bluetooth. When in pants pocket I let the handle stick out a bit. I think these grips make phones fairly close to a one handed camera like the Ricoh GRD. I can't take phones seriously without a grip. With a grip I spend a touch longer composing and feel more stable. Very easy to attach to any camera with or without your normal case on.

kierenlon
kierenlon Senior Member • Posts: 1,028
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I don't like using my phone as a camera to hike with - I do it but often run the battery down and it's sometimes useful to have it for maps (yeah, I don't use paper maps) and have some battery for emergency.

My fuji is sometimes too big so I sometimes bring an old canon ixus 100 - it's credit card sized and about 1cm thick.  jpeh only but nice colours and can import to my phone to edit with a USC-C micro-SD card reader

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kierenlon wrote:

I don't like using my phone as a camera to hike with - I do it but often run the battery down and it's sometimes useful to have it for maps (yeah, I don't use paper maps) and have some battery for emergency.

My fuji is sometimes too big so I sometimes bring an old canon ixus 100 - it's credit card sized and about 1cm thick. jpeh only but nice colours and can import to my phone to edit with a USC-C micro-SD card reader

I guess running the battery down depends on how you're using it and how the long the hiking is. With my phone on airplane mode and the screen turned down in brightness my GPS still works and the phone lasts a very long time, the camera doesn't seem to use up that much juice.

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