It would be nice if

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tony field Forum Pro • Posts: 11,045
It would be nice if
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If the first place finisher in a challenge has been disqualified or removed/withdrawn, the entire challenge is identified as having "no images" on the previous challenge list. It would be nice if this could be corrected and always show the first available image as the icon for the challenge.

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Barry Twycross Veteran Member • Posts: 3,443
Re: It would be nice if

It would be nice if I were notified if someone entered a challenge I'm hosting. Or I were notified if someone commented on a challenge I'm hosting.

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JahnG Senior Member • Posts: 2,878
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if challenge voters easily could give a short anonymous comment at the same time as they vote.

It seems that DPR hasn't for some time allocated resources to make changes to the challenges. However, some time ago, (perhaps in 2019), DPR made some changes to their system, (possible concerning the use of Java script??), so it seems that changes are made when the need arise Perhaps enough members need to ask for changes?

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embie Senior Member • Posts: 2,191
Re: It would be nice if

JahnG wrote:

if challenge voters easily could give a short anonymous comment at the same time as they vote.

Very good idea but only if the comments allowed are constructive, it can quickly stray into :

- this is crap

- not worth of the ranked place

- worst I have ever seen

- ...

eMBie

It seems that DPR hasn't for some time allocated resources to make changes to the challenges. However, some time ago, (perhaps in 2019), DPR made some changes to their system, (possible concerning the use of Java script??), so it seems that changes are made when the need arise Perhaps enough members need to ask for changes?

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cjf2 Senior Member • Posts: 1,113
Re: It would be nice if

embie wrote:

JahnG wrote:

if challenge voters easily could give a short anonymous comment at the same time as they vote.

Very good idea but only if the comments allowed are constructive,

eMBie

JahnG & eMBie,

You can do something like this yourself now. After the voting finished you can look at the challenge in the order you voted and can see the ones you thought were good and you can go and leave a message on the entry.

In particular I try to give a pat on the back to the ones that I thought were good but which placed badly. As well as enthusing about the picture I will try to help if I can see a reason why an entry might have done badly such as new entrants who leave their name on the entry or where it perhaps does not meet the theme very well and then I encourage them to wait for a more appropriate challenge.

I'd like it if someone did that for me.

Barry Twycross Veteran Member • Posts: 3,443
Re: It would be nice if

JahnG wrote:

if challenge voters easily could give a short anonymous comment at the same time as they vote.

I like that idea as well.

I've previously suggested it should be compulsory for 0.5 and 1* votes.

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Darrell Spreen Forum Pro • Posts: 10,795
Re: It would be nice if

Barry Twycross wrote:

I've previously suggested it should be compulsory for 0.5 and 1* votes.

Yes, extremely low votes are unsettling and the meaning is especially important to most entrants.

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JahnG Senior Member • Posts: 2,878
Re: It would be nice if

embie wrote:

JahnG wrote:

if challenge voters easily could give a short anonymous comment at the same time as they vote.

Very good idea but only if the comments allowed are constructive, it can quickly stray into :

- this is crap

- not worth of the ranked place

- worst I have ever seen

- ...

eMBie

It seems that DPR hasn't for some time allocated resources to make changes to the challenges. However, some time ago, (perhaps in 2019), DPR made some changes to their system, (possible concerning the use of Java script??), so it seems that changes are made when the need arise Perhaps enough members need to ask for changes?

Very true, eMBie.

However even some few honest comments might help people to realize what might be wrong with their pictures. Now there is only the 0.5 stars without any kind of explanation, so it might be wort it to have comments?

Jahn

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JahnG Senior Member • Posts: 2,878
Re: It would be nice if
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cjf2 wrote:

embie wrote:

JahnG wrote:

if challenge voters easily could give a short anonymous comment at the same time as they vote.

Very good idea but only if the comments allowed are constructive,

eMBie

JahnG & eMBie,

You can do something like this yourself now. After the voting finished you can look at the challenge in the order you voted and can see the ones you thought were good and you can go and leave a message on the entry.

In particular I try to give a pat on the back to the ones that I thought were good but which placed badly. As well as enthusing about the picture I will try to help if I can see a reason why an entry might have done badly such as new entrants who leave their name on the entry or where it perhaps does not meet the theme very well and then I encourage them to wait for a more appropriate challenge.

I'd like it if someone did that for me.

Good comments, cjf2.

I've a few times given some comments to low voted pictures I've myself found good, but I haven't done it as often as I should

However, you very seldom see any comments on low voted pictures telling why they are "bad", and THAT information would in my view be quite valuable. What is wrong and suggestions how to improve my picture?

Jahn

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Re: It would be nice if
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Barry Twycross wrote:

JahnG wrote:

if challenge voters easily could give a short anonymous comment at the same time as they vote.

I like that idea as well.

I've previously suggested it should be compulsory for 0.5 and 1* votes.

Good idea, Barry.

I absolutely support your idea.

Jahn

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Chuck_G Regular Member • Posts: 131
Re: It would be nice if

JahnG wrote:

Barry Twycross wrote:

JahnG wrote:

if challenge voters easily could give a short anonymous comment at the same time as they vote.

I like that idea as well.

I've previously suggested it should be compulsory for 0.5 and 1* votes.

Good idea, Barry.

I absolutely support your idea.

Jahn

This is a good idea as long as the comments are constructive. Itbsucks is not a constructive comment. Years ago I posted some photos on the old Popular Photography forums for some feedback. A few comments were constructive regarding color, composition, etc. but many were simply negative like it sucks or you should quit photography. Hardly beneficial.

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cjf2 Senior Member • Posts: 1,113
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However, you very seldom see any comments on low voted pictures telling why they are "bad", and THAT information would in my view be quite valuable. What is wrong and suggestions how to improve my picture?

Jahn

I used to do that but I got the impression the comments were not welcomed so now I only suggest something to improve an already good image. I find it a bit sad on the Wildlife forum when someone new posts poor stuff and the regulars praise them as if they are really good. People would rather be lied to than helped but I’d be happy if you risked the flak.

OP tony field Forum Pro • Posts: 11,045
Re: It would be nice if

JahnG wrote:

if challenge voters easily could give a short anonymous comment at the same time as they vote.

that's humorous. Why does everyone want to be anonymous, unidentified and non-existent. Are they that embarrassed with who they are and don't want to be identified by the childish nature of their commentary?

In the old days of the monthly print Club commentary was direct verbal and you knew exactly who said what about your images. Strong negative and positive comments we're par for the course and we all went out for a beer after the meeting and had fun with no animosity. Sometimes the verbal commentary continued over the beer if there was an exceptionally good image or if a normally good photographer supplemented an unexpectedly poor image

It seems that DPR hasn't for some time allocated resources to make changes to the challenges. However, some time ago, (perhaps in 2019), DPR made some changes to their system, (possible concerning the use of Java script??), so it seems that changes are made when the need arise Perhaps enough members need to ask for changes?

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Barry Twycross Veteran Member • Posts: 3,443
Re: It would be nice if

tony field wrote:

JahnG wrote:

if challenge voters easily could give a short anonymous comment at the same time as they vote.

that's humorous. Why does everyone want to be anonymous, unidentified and non-existent. Are they that embarrassed with who they are and don't want to be identified by the childish nature of their commentary?

Mainly because honest comments aren't the norm, or welcome.

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Re: It would be nice if

tony field wrote:

JahnG wrote:

if challenge voters easily could give a short anonymous comment at the same time as they vote.

that's humorous. Why does everyone want to be anonymous, unidentified and non-existent. Are they that embarrassed with who they are and don't want to be identified by the childish nature of their commentary?

In the old days of the monthly print Club commentary was direct verbal and you knew exactly who said what about your images. Strong negative and positive comments we're par for the course and we all went out for a beer after the meeting and had fun with no animosity. Sometimes the verbal commentary continued over the beer if there was an exceptionally good image or if a normally good photographer supplemented an unexpectedly poor image

We are of a different generation, and very markedly. If you have the time, do watch this video in the link below:

https://vimeo.com/408937522

seems this is where we are headed to unfortunately!!

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Re: It would be nice if

Barry Twycross wrote:

tony field wrote:

JahnG wrote:

if challenge voters easily could give a short anonymous comment at the same time as they vote.

that's humorous. Why does everyone want to be anonymous, unidentified and non-existent. Are they that embarrassed with who they are and don't want to be identified by the childish nature of their commentary?

Mainly because honest comments aren't the norm, or welcome.

There is that. "Robust" feedback tends to result in rather robust arguments and robust hurt feelings.

If the comments are identified, does that conflict with the broader principle that voting is anonymous?

I really like your suggestion that people have to provide a reason for 0.5 and 1.0 star ratings. My only concern (aside from the anonymity one above) is that it may artificially push people towards giving 1.5 star ratings for entries they really thought were worth 0.5, but couldn't be bothered writing a comment for. For the lazy, it might be much easier just to give it 1.5 and move on.

Still, it is a good suggestion. Anything that helps to cut down the 0.5 star votes that are just down to try and pull down good images is worth it.

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OP tony field Forum Pro • Posts: 11,045
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New Day Rising wrote:

Barry Twycross wrote:

tony field wrote:

JahnG wrote:

if challenge voters easily could give a short anonymous comment at the same time as they vote.

that's humorous. Why does everyone want to be anonymous, unidentified and non-existent. Are they that embarrassed with who they are and don't want to be identified by the childish nature of their commentary?

Mainly because honest comments aren't the norm, or welcome.

There is that. "Robust" feedback tends to result in rather robust arguments and robust hurt feelings.

I usually assume that the participants in the challenges are all mature adults and can tolerate some robust discussion. I cannot see any reason why people should be forced  to provide any commentary on their voting

If the comments are identified, does that conflict with the broader principle that voting is anonymous?

Which could be in conflict with the fact that commentary on the images in the challenges are all fully identified by the poster of the comment. The identity of the person who post a picture to the challenge is identified after the challenge has been completed. The voters however maintain Anonymous identity. By my logic what is good for the goose is also good for the gander

Anonymity seems to be the prevalent adopted religion on dpreview

I really like your suggestion that people have to provide a reason for 0.5 and 1.0 star ratings. My only concern (aside from the anonymity one above) is that it may artificially push people towards giving 1.5 star ratings for entries they really thought were worth 0.5, but couldn't be bothered writing a comment for. For the lazy, it might be much easier just to give it 1.5 and move on.

Still, it is a good suggestion. Anything that helps to cut down the 0.5 star votes that are just down to try and pull down good images is worth it.

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Bill Thoo Regular Member • Posts: 306
Re: It would be nice if

tony field wrote:

JahnG wrote:

if challenge voters easily could give a short anonymous comment at the same time as they vote.

that's humorous. Why does everyone want to be anonymous, unidentified and non-existent. Are they that embarrassed with who they are and don't want to be identified by the childish nature of their commentary?

In the old days of the monthly print Club commentary was direct verbal and you knew exactly who said what about your images. Strong negative and positive comments we're par for the course and we all went out for a beer after the meeting and had fun with no animosity. Sometimes the verbal commentary continued over the beer if there was an exceptionally good image or if a normally good photographer supplemented an unexpectedly poor image

It seems that DPR hasn't for some time allocated resources to make changes to the challenges. However, some time ago, (perhaps in 2019), DPR made some changes to their system, (possible concerning the use of Java script??), so it seems that changes are made when the need arise Perhaps enough members need to ask for changes?

I agree with Tony - the more anonymous you are the more likely you are to troll.  I know the DPR accounts are anonymous to some extent, but at least comments can be traced back an account

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Bill Thoo Regular Member • Posts: 306
Re: It would be nice if

tony field wrote:

If the first place finisher in a challenge has been disqualified or removed/withdrawn, the entire challenge is identified as having "no images" on the previous challenge list. It would be nice if this could be corrected and always show the first available image as the icon for the challenge.

I agree. Can't see it happening, though.

I know the voting, host controls, and a variety of other issues seem to get discussed over and over every time there is a new generation joining the challenges, but I can't remember if the admins have ever actually changed anything.  I've been on the site for a few years, but I'm not one of the veterans.

Does anyone know?

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