M5 vs. Black Friday M50?

Hi everyone! Looking for some advice here....

I've been a Canon DSLR user for quite some time, as an advanced amateur that plays around with the idea of making money with this photography stuff while mostly just taking great pictures of my family.  I upgraded from an older Rebel XS to the M5 later last year - and it was a HUGE upgrade in almost every way.  I don't really do much at all with video - heck it wasn't even an option on my old Rebel.  There's some things I've really enjoyed about the M5 and some things that have surprised and frustrated me about the M5 -

The good -

• Multiple control dials
• C1 and C2 settings on the PASM mode dial
• MUCH more customization options compared to the Rebel (which was nearly zero)

The bad -

• Less ability to pinpoint where you want to focus unless you switch over to One Spot AF. I typically use Servo with back button AF to keep up with things that just won't stay in one spot (!).  
• The extreme shutter lag - sometimes it's there and sometimes it's not! A surprise coming from a Rebel

Overall the move to mirrorless has been great, and the 'bad' side of the M5 makes me happier I didn't try to move over with earlier generations of M's.  Those couple of negatives have had me wondering about other bodies that would help there without sacrificing the positives.  Really, if that M5II would show up that's basically an M6II with an EVF and IBIS I'd be all over it.  But.... since Canon is Canon, I've got another question for this group -

How big is the M50 improvement over the M5 in my two 'bad' feedback areas?  My thought is that if it's a large improvement, I may look to get a cheap M50 on Black Friday / Cyber Monday and sell the M5.  With the M50II it's possible I could do that at basically no cost.  But if the M50 is a smaller improvement in those areas, I may just stick with the M5's extra control dials and C1/C2 settings until the next higher level M camera comes out.  (Someday...?)

Thoughts?

Feigerou wrote:

Hi everyone! Looking for some advice here....

I've been a Canon DSLR user for quite some time, as an advanced amateur that plays around with the idea of making money with this photography stuff while mostly just taking great pictures of my family. I upgraded from an older Rebel XS to the M5 later last year - and it was a HUGE upgrade in almost every way. I don't really do much at all with video - heck it wasn't even an option on my old Rebel. There's some things I've really enjoyed about the M5 and some things that have surprised and frustrated me about the M5 -

The good -

• Multiple control dials

With the M50 you can set up a button to toggle between the functions of that single dial. Not as good as more dials, but way better than having to use the menus.

• C1 and C2 settings on the PASM mode dial
• MUCH more customization options compared to the Rebel (which was nearly zero)

The bad -

• Less ability to pinpoint where you want to focus unless you switch over to One Spot AF. I typically use Servo with back button AF to keep up with things that just won't stay in one spot (!).

The difference between the size of the smallest single AF-point is huge. The smallest single AF point of the M50 is only 1/4th the size of the surface of the smallest single AF point of the M5.

With the M50 it's easy to focus on an eye with that smallest AF point (which is usefull, because eye AF isn't that great with faces turned half away from you.)

• The extreme shutter lag - sometimes it's there and sometimes it's not! A surprise coming from a Rebel

Overall the move to mirrorless has been great, and the 'bad' side of the M5 makes me happier I didn't try to move over with earlier generations of M's. Those couple of negatives have had me wondering about other bodies that would help there without sacrificing the positives. Really, if that M5II would show up that's basically an M6II with an EVF and IBIS I'd be all over it. But.... since Canon is Canon,

Yup......

I've got another question for this group -

How big is the M50 improvement over the M5 in my two 'bad' feedback areas? My thought is that if it's a large improvement, I may look to get a cheap M50 on Black Friday / Cyber Monday and sell the M5. With the M50II it's possible I could do that at basically no cost. But if the M50 is a smaller improvement in those areas, I may just stick with the M5's extra control dials and C1/C2 settings until the next higher level M camera comes out. (Someday...?)

Thoughts?

I've used the M100 with the sigma 18-35mm f/1.8 which has the same AF system as the M5. I also used that lens with the M50. To my eye the difference between those AF systems is huge when shooting people. For landscapes it doesn't matter so much.

If you want to shoot people with relatively bright aperture lenses,  go M50mkII or M6mkII. I would get the M50mkII over the mkI, as the eye AF works better with smaller eyes in the frame. That could be nice with your f/2.8 Macro, but also with your f/2.8 zoom at the longest end.

Another advice: if you want to turn your macro lens into a better portrait lens you could consider to get a Viltrox 0.71 speedbooster. This turns you macro into a stabilized 70mm f/2.0 lens. 

Feigerou wrote:

Hi everyone! Looking for some advice here....

I've been a Canon DSLR user for quite some time, as an advanced amateur that plays around with the idea of making money with this photography stuff while mostly just taking great pictures of my family. I upgraded from an older Rebel XS to the M5 later last year - and it was a HUGE upgrade in almost every way. I don't really do much at all with video - heck it wasn't even an option on my old Rebel. There's some things I've really enjoyed about the M5 and some things that have surprised and frustrated me about the M5 -

The good -

• Multiple control dials
• C1 and C2 settings on the PASM mode dial
• MUCH more customization options compared to the Rebel (which was nearly zero)

The bad -

• Less ability to pinpoint where you want to focus unless you switch over to One Spot AF. I typically use Servo with back button AF to keep up with things that just won't stay in one spot (!).
• The extreme shutter lag - sometimes it's there and sometimes it's not! A surprise coming from a Rebel

Overall the move to mirrorless has been great, and the 'bad' side of the M5 makes me happier I didn't try to move over with earlier generations of M's.

Hey, my own switch from DSLRs to mirrorless was to the M5    (since it was the first model to sport Dual Pixel AF). I indeed liked everything about it except the Autofocus!

Those couple of negatives have had me wondering about other bodies that would help there without sacrificing the positives. Really, if that M5II would show up that's basically an M6II with an EVF and IBIS I'd be all over it.

If you’re considering doing any gigs for pay, get the M6 Mark II.  Don’t even hesitate.  It’s a HUGE jump over the M5, ESPECIALLY in the area of autofocus.  The M6ii will AF in light lower than I can see.  It’s ultra-quick and it sticks like glue.  Eye and Face Detect AF is just amazing, even from the side.  Its AF is better than any DSLR I’ve ever used (including the vaunted 7D2).

The M6ii has all the controls of the M5 plus a whole lot more.  That back AF button alone is worth the price of admission!  I do really think you’d find the M50ii’s relative lack of controls frustrating (would be for me).

I personally don’t mind the M6ii’s EVF, but I’m one who especially likes to use the back LCD for composing.  So the times I need to use the hotshoe for flash or radios, I’m not inconvenienced at all.  That’s the only time there’d be a hotshoe conflict.

But.... since Canon is Canon, I've got another question for this group -

How big is the M50 improvement over the M5 in my two 'bad' feedback areas? My thought is that if it's a large improvement, I may look to get a cheap M50 on Black Friday / Cyber Monday and sell the M5. With the M50II it's possible I could do that at basically no cost. But if the M50 is a smaller improvement in those areas, I may just stick with the M5's extra control dials and C1/C2 settings until the next higher level M camera comes out. (Someday...?)

You might be waiting a looong time for an M5ii.  By all accounts the M50ii upgrade is incremental.  The M6ii upgrade is not.  It’s monumental.

Thoughts?

I have more thoughts (and some M6ii samples) in a previous thread...

(Follow the links in this post for even more samples)

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/64108171

Good luck with your decision.  Holler back with any questions!

R2

plantdoc wrote:

I have used my M5 with M lenses and efs lenses under a variety of conditions including dark churches and museums and very rarely missed focus. However, I never used it for fast action with direction changes. Maybe that's the limitations.

Greg

It just means that you’re a skilled photographer.  

If you ever get the chance to try an M6ii in similar conditions, I’m confident you’ll be able to appreciate the differences.  For now, just keep enjoying your M5.  

R2

BirdShooter7 wrote:

Feigerou wrote:

Hi everyone! Looking for some advice here....

I've been a Canon DSLR user for quite some time, as an advanced amateur that plays around with the idea of making money with this photography stuff while mostly just taking great pictures of my family. I upgraded from an older Rebel XS to the M5 later last year - and it was a HUGE upgrade in almost every way. I don't really do much at all with video - heck it wasn't even an option on my old Rebel. There's some things I've really enjoyed about the M5 and some things that have surprised and frustrated me about the M5 -

The good -

• Multiple control dials
• C1 and C2 settings on the PASM mode dial
• MUCH more customization options compared to the Rebel (which was nearly zero)

The bad -

• Less ability to pinpoint where you want to focus unless you switch over to One Spot AF. I typically use Servo with back button AF to keep up with things that just won't stay in one spot (!).
• The extreme shutter lag - sometimes it's there and sometimes it's not! A surprise coming from a Rebel

Overall the move to mirrorless has been great, and the 'bad' side of the M5 makes me happier I didn't try to move over with earlier generations of M's. Those couple of negatives have had me wondering about other bodies that would help there without sacrificing the positives. Really, if that M5II would show up that's basically an M6II with an EVF and IBIS I'd be all over it. But.... since Canon is Canon, I've got another question for this group -

How big is the M50 improvement over the M5 in my two 'bad' feedback areas? My thought is that if it's a large improvement, I may look to get a cheap M50 on Black Friday / Cyber Monday and sell the M5. With the M50II it's possible I could do that at basically no cost. But if the M50 is a smaller improvement in those areas, I may just stick with the M5's extra control dials and C1/C2 settings until the next higher level M camera comes out. (Someday...?)

Thoughts?

I have an M5 and bought an M50 because of the articulated screen and better AF performance. In those areas I’m happy enough that the M5 hasn’t been used in a long time. What I wasn’t quite prepared for with the M50 is the lack of dials... eventually I got used to it but I’d really love to have them back. An M6 mk2 with integrated VF would be great. I had the m6 mk2 for a while but ended up selling it. I love the sensor and the AF seems even better than the M50 but I just didn’t enjoy the clip on VF.

I think I'm right there with you on everything here.  The M50 AF does sound like it's quite a bit better based on everyone's experience.

thunder storm wrote:

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The good -

• Multiple control dials

With the M50 you can set up a button to toggle between the functions of that single dial. Not as good as more dials, but way better than having to use the menus.

When you say a button toggles between the dial functions, is that like in the Rebels (when holding the button down the dial will change aperture) or does the dial stay on whatever setting once you release the button?  I'm not really sure which would be better for me....  🤔

• C1 and C2 settings on the PASM mode dial
• MUCH more customization options compared to the Rebel (which was nearly zero)

The bad -

• Less ability to pinpoint where you want to focus unless you switch over to One Spot AF. I typically use Servo with back button AF to keep up with things that just won't stay in one spot (!).

The difference between the size of the smallest single AF-point is huge. The smallest single AF point of the M50 is only 1/4th the size of the surface of the smallest single AF point of the M5.

With the M50 it's easy to focus on an eye with that smallest AF point (which is usefull, because eye AF isn't that great with faces turned half away from you.

Very helpful comparison on the AF point size!  I was disappointed when I found that the smaller AF box on the M5 was One Spot only.

As always, no easy answers. Really if the M6II just had an EVF and a flippy screen (fold up with an EVF = no good) I'd go that route.  IBIS would be awesome, but but required.

R2D2 wrote:

Feigerou wrote:

Hi everyone! Looking for some advice here....

I've been a Canon DSLR user for quite some time, as an advanced amateur that plays around with the idea of making money with this photography stuff while mostly just taking great pictures of my family. I upgraded from an older Rebel XS to the M5 later last year - and it was a HUGE upgrade in almost every way. I don't really do much at all with video - heck it wasn't even an option on my old Rebel. There's some things I've really enjoyed about the M5 and some things that have surprised and frustrated me about the M5 -

The good -

• Multiple control dials
• C1 and C2 settings on the PASM mode dial
• MUCH more customization options compared to the Rebel (which was nearly zero)

The bad -

• Less ability to pinpoint where you want to focus unless you switch over to One Spot AF. I typically use Servo with back button AF to keep up with things that just won't stay in one spot (!).
• The extreme shutter lag - sometimes it's there and sometimes it's not! A surprise coming from a Rebel

Overall the move to mirrorless has been great, and the 'bad' side of the M5 makes me happier I didn't try to move over with earlier generations of M's.

Hey, my own switch from DSLRs to mirrorless was to the M5 (since it was the first model to sport Dual Pixel AF). I indeed liked everything about it except the Autofocus!

Those couple of negatives have had me wondering about other bodies that would help there without sacrificing the positives. Really, if that M5II would show up that's basically an M6II with an EVF and IBIS I'd be all over it.

If you’re considering doing any gigs for pay, get the M6 Mark II. Don’t even hesitate. It’s a HUGE jump over the M5, ESPECIALLY in the area of autofocus. The M6ii will AF in light lower than I can see. It’s ultra-quick and it sticks like glue. Eye and Face Detect AF is just amazing, even from the side. Its AF is better than any DSLR I’ve ever used (including the vaunted 7D2).

The M6ii has all the controls of the M5 plus a whole lot more. That back AF button alone is worth the price of admission! I do really think you’d find the M50ii’s relative lack of controls frustrating (would be for me).

I personally don’t mind the M6ii’s EVF, but I’m one who especially likes to use the back LCD for composing. So the times I need to use the hotshoe for flash or radios, I’m not inconvenienced at all. That’s the only time there’d be a hotshoe conflict.

You make a VERY convincing case for the M6II!  That matches many of my expectations.  It's just that I use the EVF probably 60% of the time and use off camera flash enough that losing it would be an issue.  The M6II doesn't have wireless flash triggering built in does it?  I know the last few xxD's had been getting that...

But.... since Canon is Canon, I've got another question for this group -

How big is the M50 improvement over the M5 in my two 'bad' feedback areas? My thought is that if it's a large improvement, I may look to get a cheap M50 on Black Friday / Cyber Monday and sell the M5. With the M50II it's possible I could do that at basically no cost. But if the M50 is a smaller improvement in those areas, I may just stick with the M5's extra control dials and C1/C2 settings until the next higher level M camera comes out. (Someday...?)

You might be waiting a looong time for an M5ii. By all accounts the M50ii upgrade is incremental. The M6ii upgrade is not. It’s monumental.

Thoughts?

I have more thoughts (and some M6ii samples) in a previous thread...

(Follow the links in this post for even more samples)

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/64108171

Good luck with your decision. Holler back with any questions!

R2

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The M50 was $280 for a refurbished kit from Canon USA last black friday. They had a ton of them as it the deal was available throughout December.

Not sure if it will be that low this year. But I would just add the M50 to the kit list if you are curious and sell it if it doesn't work out for not much lost.

Feigerou wrote:

R2D2 wrote:

Feigerou wrote:

Hi everyone! Looking for some advice here....

I've been a Canon DSLR user for quite some time, as an advanced amateur that plays around with the idea of making money with this photography stuff while mostly just taking great pictures of my family. I upgraded from an older Rebel XS to the M5 later last year - and it was a HUGE upgrade in almost every way. I don't really do much at all with video - heck it wasn't even an option on my old Rebel. There's some things I've really enjoyed about the M5 and some things that have surprised and frustrated me about the M5 -

The good -

• Multiple control dials
• C1 and C2 settings on the PASM mode dial
• MUCH more customization options compared to the Rebel (which was nearly zero)

The bad -

• Less ability to pinpoint where you want to focus unless you switch over to One Spot AF. I typically use Servo with back button AF to keep up with things that just won't stay in one spot (!).
• The extreme shutter lag - sometimes it's there and sometimes it's not! A surprise coming from a Rebel

Overall the move to mirrorless has been great, and the 'bad' side of the M5 makes me happier I didn't try to move over with earlier generations of M's.

Hey, my own switch from DSLRs to mirrorless was to the M5 (since it was the first model to sport Dual Pixel AF). I indeed liked everything about it except the Autofocus!

Those couple of negatives have had me wondering about other bodies that would help there without sacrificing the positives. Really, if that M5II would show up that's basically an M6II with an EVF and IBIS I'd be all over it.

If you’re considering doing any gigs for pay, get the M6 Mark II. Don’t even hesitate. It’s a HUGE jump over the M5, ESPECIALLY in the area of autofocus. The M6ii will AF in light lower than I can see. It’s ultra-quick and it sticks like glue. Eye and Face Detect AF is just amazing, even from the side. Its AF is better than any DSLR I’ve ever used (including the vaunted 7D2).

The M6ii has all the controls of the M5 plus a whole lot more. That back AF button alone is worth the price of admission! I do really think you’d find the M50ii’s relative lack of controls frustrating (would be for me).

I personally don’t mind the M6ii’s EVF, but I’m one who especially likes to use the back LCD for composing. So the times I need to use the hotshoe for flash or radios, I’m not inconvenienced at all. That’s the only time there’d be a hotshoe conflict.

You make a VERY convincing case for the M6II! That matches many of my expectations.

It’s just that waiting for an M5ii is fruitless.  Like I’ve said many times, I’d love to be wrong about this (I’d buy one in a heartbeat), but IMHO Canon won’t make one because it would compete directly with the R Series.  The M6ii’s performance is already remarkably close to the R5 and R6 in many areas.

It's just that I use the EVF probably 60% of the time and use off camera flash enough that losing it would be an issue.

Gotcha.  I’ve tried to convince myself to get an M50ii, but alas.

The M6II doesn't have wireless flash triggering built in does it? I know the last few xxD's had been getting that...

I use radios on my M6ii, but IIRC there isn’t any built-in wireless flash control.  You’d have to verify though.

R2

R2D2 wrote:

Feigerou wrote:

R2D2 wrote:

Feigerou wrote:

Hi everyone! Looking for some advice here....

I've been a Canon DSLR user for quite some time, as an advanced amateur that plays around with the idea of making money with this photography stuff while mostly just taking great pictures of my family. I upgraded from an older Rebel XS to the M5 later last year - and it was a HUGE upgrade in almost every way. I don't really do much at all with video - heck it wasn't even an option on my old Rebel. There's some things I've really enjoyed about the M5 and some things that have surprised and frustrated me about the M5 -

The good -

• Multiple control dials
• C1 and C2 settings on the PASM mode dial
• MUCH more customization options compared to the Rebel (which was nearly zero)

The bad -

• Less ability to pinpoint where you want to focus unless you switch over to One Spot AF. I typically use Servo with back button AF to keep up with things that just won't stay in one spot (!).
• The extreme shutter lag - sometimes it's there and sometimes it's not! A surprise coming from a Rebel

Overall the move to mirrorless has been great, and the 'bad' side of the M5 makes me happier I didn't try to move over with earlier generations of M's.

Hey, my own switch from DSLRs to mirrorless was to the M5 (since it was the first model to sport Dual Pixel AF). I indeed liked everything about it except the Autofocus!

Those couple of negatives have had me wondering about other bodies that would help there without sacrificing the positives. Really, if that M5II would show up that's basically an M6II with an EVF and IBIS I'd be all over it.

If you’re considering doing any gigs for pay, get the M6 Mark II. Don’t even hesitate. It’s a HUGE jump over the M5, ESPECIALLY in the area of autofocus. The M6ii will AF in light lower than I can see. It’s ultra-quick and it sticks like glue. Eye and Face Detect AF is just amazing, even from the side. Its AF is better than any DSLR I’ve ever used (including the vaunted 7D2).

The M6ii has all the controls of the M5 plus a whole lot more. That back AF button alone is worth the price of admission! I do really think you’d find the M50ii’s relative lack of controls frustrating (would be for me).

I personally don’t mind the M6ii’s EVF, but I’m one who especially likes to use the back LCD for composing. So the times I need to use the hotshoe for flash or radios, I’m not inconvenienced at all. That’s the only time there’d be a hotshoe conflict.

You make a VERY convincing case for the M6II! That matches many of my expectations.

It’s just that waiting for an M5ii is fruitless. Like I’ve said many times, I’d love to be wrong about this (I’d buy one in a heartbeat), but IMHO Canon won’t make one because it would compete directly with the R Series. The M6ii’s performance is already remarkably close to the R5 and R6 in many areas.

It's just that I use the EVF probably 60% of the time and use off camera flash enough that losing it would be an issue.

Gotcha. I’ve tried to convince myself to get an M50ii, but alas.

The M6II doesn't have wireless flash triggering built in does it? I know the last few xxD's had been getting that...

I use radios on my M6ii, but IIRC there isn’t any built-in wireless flash control. You’d have to verify though.

R2

I can't think of a camera that has IIRC built in to it. Even if I knew of one I would think that it would be limited to that manufacturer.

I have the M50, actually gave up the Canon 80D and a 7D to my granddaughter when I decided to go small and mirrorless. The M50 is limiting as far as customization but I don't regret the switch one bit.

I was one of those that was hoping the M50 MKII would be more of an upgrade than an update. I so wanted to upgrade the M50 but with the disappointment of the M50 MKII upgrade/update I am now considering the M6 MKII.

Until 2 weeks ago I used the M50 EVF exclusively except when the camera was mounted on a tripod. I'm considering the M6 MKII so I started using the M50 touch screen exclusively in an attempt to see how the M6 MKII would work with my style of shooting. I use on camera flash as well as off camera radio controlled flash frequently. The DC2-EVF is not an insurmountable problem but it is a significant one, at least for me.

nnowak wrote:

The M50 has been largely sold out across the USA for multiple weeks. Without stockpiles sitting around, it is unlikely there will be any M50 deals for Black Friday.

All the "M50"s have been sent to Europe, it seems. So I think there is a good chance for some great deals for Black Friday many places in Europe.

However, there is a possibility of some small discounts on the new M50 II.

Not in Europe. No such thing here.

More likely to see large discounts would be the M200, M6 II, RP, and R.

One can hope.

geru wrote:

R2D2 wrote:

I use radios on my M6ii, but IIRC there isn’t any built-in wireless flash control. You’d have to verify though.

R2

I can't think of a camera that has IIRC built in to it. Even if I knew of one I would think that it would be limited to that manufacturer.

It’d be nice if all you needed was a (surely expensive   ) compatible flash or receiver.

I have the M50, actually gave up the Canon 80D and a 7D to my granddaughter when I decided to go small and mirrorless.

Very thoughtful!  A great gift indeed.

The M50 is limiting as far as customization but I don't regret the switch one bit.

Me either. The M is so much nicer to carry around.

I was one of those that was hoping the M50 MKII would be more of an upgrade than an update.

I really do feel for you guys. I wanted an M50ii too.

I so wanted to upgrade the M50 but with the disappointment of the M50 MKII upgrade/update I am now considering the M6 MKII.

I really do wish the M6ii’s tech (spec) went through the whole lineup.

Until 2 weeks ago I used the M50 EVF exclusively except when the camera was mounted on a tripod. I'm considering the M6 MKII so I started using the M50 touch screen exclusively in an attempt to see how the M6 MKII would work with my style of shooting. I use on camera flash as well as off camera radio controlled flash frequently. The DC2-EVF is not an insurmountable problem but it is a significant one, at least for me.

Maybe you could take the M50 those times when you’d anticipate needing a flash/radio. Otherwise the (Adorama) Flashpoint Zoom Mini is a great little lightweight flash. Refurbs are often on sale. Also be sure to get a Gary Fong LightBlade (weighs next to nothing, but very effective).

Best of luck,

R2

I've owned both the M5 and M50. Regarding the M50...

A. Resolves the issue of what folks describe as shutter lag, but likely is an exposure metering flaw. Btw, apparently updating to the latest firmware for the M5, fixes this, silently. The M50 outright doesn't share this problem.

B. Autofocus is night and day between the M5 and M50.

My answer is, hands down, at the right price, do it.

As I said 2 years ago, many M5 owners should consider "upgrading" to the M50. Half the folks around here stoned me when I said that, the other half agreed. The difference between those who threw rocks and those who didn't, those who actually tried the M50, that have owned the M5 or M6 mark I which has the older, slower, DIGIC7 vs the newer DIGIC8 in the M50. Makes all the difference my friend.

At the right price, the M50 is a no brainer for upgrading your M5, as long as you're not using all those dials, which if you customize the buttons on the M50, you don't need all the dials. Get a spare battery though.

Oh, and keep your eyes peeled for M50 Mark II deals. The newer firmware, is not to be underestimated. If the M50 goes for $249 refurb, and the M50 Mark II, $349 on sale, do the latter. $100 is worth the newer firmware in my book as that gets you down to -4EV alone + continuous eye-AF.

When I owned the M50, I just had M-FN button assigned to AF method so I quickly toggled between Single Shot and AI-Servo, so I got my eye-AF easily that way. Highly recommended.

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M50 eye-AF via switching quickly to single shot, works well.

Thanks for that great comparison.  It sounds like the M50 is an improvement in performance and AF, but a step back in the physical controls and custom settings.  I'll see what happens with the M50II pricing at the holidays, since it does sound like the M50 is going to stay out of stock.

For the M5 firmware, I did update that in the spring and didn't see any improvement in the lag.  I don't know if somehow I'm missing something else or if it's also tied to some specific settings though?  Does seem like there just isn't enough processing power in the M5.

I'd imagine the M50II would have a decent upgrade in processing power over the M50 to live stream to YouTube without issues.  When  livestreaming services at my church to YouTube we used to have huge lag issues until we upgraded to a PC with a high-powered processor and graphics card and boom - problem solved.