Vignetting with filters on 24-70mm f/2.8 and 14-30mm f/4?

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Tony_J Forum Member • Posts: 74
Vignetting with filters on 24-70mm f/2.8 and 14-30mm f/4?

I am currently in the market for 82mm filters (in particular, from Breakthrough Photography), and part of my decision is how many filters can be stacked before there is vignetting. This will affect whether it's worth it to get a Dark CPL, for example, or if it's sufficient to just stack a regular CPL with an ND filter. And whether it's worth it to get a 10-stop ND filter, or if stacking 3 + 6 is enough.

In terms of the Z system, I plan to hold out for Nikon's next 60 MP release, but I am preemptively accumulating 82mm filters used on eBay for cheap so I don't have to buy them all at once at full price when I upgrade (my current filter set is 77mm). I'm not worried about the sunk cost as I will almost certainly require 82mm filters no matter what I upgrade to.

Can someone with either or both of those two Z lenses report on when filters start to cause vignetting on each? (And since they're zooms, does the focal length matter?)

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j_photo Veteran Member • Posts: 4,923
Re: Vignetting with filters on 24-70mm f/2.8 and 14-30mm f/4?

The 24-70mm f/2.8 S has been announced but is not yet available. Meanwhile, there is some interesting info about filter compatibility here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvzW84OLCoQ&

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Virtual Photon Senior Member • Posts: 1,295
Re: Vignetting with filters on 24-70mm f/2.8 and 14-30mm f/4?

j_photo wrote:

The 24-70mm f/2.8 S has been announced but is not yet available. Meanwhile, there is some interesting info about filter compatibility here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvzW84OLCoQ&

You must mean the 14-24 f/2.8S?  Both the 24-70 f2.8s and 14-30 f4 are available.

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j_photo Veteran Member • Posts: 4,923
Re: Vignetting with filters on 24-70mm f/2.8 and 14-30mm f/4?

Virtual Photon wrote:

j_photo wrote:

The 24-70mm f/2.8 S has been announced but is not yet available. Meanwhile, there is some interesting info about filter compatibility here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvzW84OLCoQ&

You must mean the 14-24 f/2.8S? Both the 24-70 f2.8s and 14-30 f4 are available.

woops, my bad. Thanks for the correction.

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Re: Vignetting with filters on 24-70mm f/2.8 and 14-30mm f/4?
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Tony_J wrote:

I am currently in the market for 82mm filters (in particular, from Breakthrough Photography), and part of my decision is how many filters can be stacked before there is vignetting. This will affect whether it's worth it to get a Dark CPL, for example, or if it's sufficient to just stack a regular CPL with an ND filter. And whether it's worth it to get a 10-stop ND filter, or if stacking 3 + 6 is enough.

In terms of the Z system, I plan to hold out for Nikon's next 60 MP release, but I am preemptively accumulating 82mm filters used on eBay for cheap so I don't have to buy them all at once at full price when I upgrade (my current filter set is 77mm). I'm not worried about the sunk cost as I will almost certainly require 82mm filters no matter what I upgrade to.

Can someone with either or both of those two Z lenses report on when filters start to cause vignetting on each? (And since they're zooms, does the focal length matter?)

Hi Tony !

I have a 14-30 f4 and 82mm filters. I have slim ND filters (8,64,1000) and polariser.

My english is limited so I will do as this :

14-30f4 at 14mm + ND filter = No vignetting

14-30f4 at 14mm + Polariser = No vignetting

14-30f4 at 14mm + ND filter + polariser = Important vignetting. Not usable.

14-30f4 at 14.5mm + ND filter + polariser = A very little of vignetting but you can correct with lightroom.

Here a RAW example of a stack of ND filter and Polariser at 14.5mm

A second example with just ND filter at 14mm so without polariser but rocks are shining.

I don't kept raw example of ND filter + Polariser stack at 14mm.. But it's not usable. Important vigneting. Even if my filters are slim :/

Slim ND filter are : Haida PRO II Digital MC 82mm
Polariser is : Marumi DHG circulaire 82mm

Hope I helped

Picture edited : https://flic.kr/p/2jEFuRu

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OP Tony_J Forum Member • Posts: 74
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Thanks! It looks like I don't need to be too worried about the 14-30 then. I don't intend to use a CPL on it on a sunny day due to the weird things it does to the sky on a wide-angle lens. So at most I'll be stacking a CPL with a 6-stop ND to shoot waterfalls, which generally will not require as wide as 14mm.

Now just waiting on someone to shed light on the 24-70 f/2.8...

Lance B Forum Pro • Posts: 32,794
Re: Vignetting with filters on 24-70mm f/2.8 and 14-30mm f/4?

Tony_J wrote:

Thanks! It looks like I don't need to be too worried about the 14-30 then. I don't intend to use a CPL on it on a sunny day due to the weird things it does to the sky on a wide-angle lens. So at most I'll be stacking a CPL with a 6-stop ND to shoot waterfalls, which generally will not require as wide as 14mm.

Now just waiting on someone to shed light on the 24-70 f/2.8...

My results concur with Karl-FR on the 14-30 with ND and polarizers.

If you are going to shoot waterfalls, I strongly recommend using a polarizer as it reduces reflections on both the water and the foliage for deep rich foliage colour and also brings out the colour of the water. You can get a dark polarizer from Breakthrough and can select standard, 3 stop or 6 stop varieties.

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cosmicnode Veteran Member • Posts: 5,399
Re: Vignetting with filters on 24-70mm f/2.8 and 14-30mm f/4?

Tony_J wrote:

Thanks! It looks like I don't need to be too worried about the 14-30 then. I don't intend to use a CPL on it on a sunny day due to the weird things it does to the sky on a wide-angle lens. So at most I'll be stacking a CPL with a 6-stop ND to shoot waterfalls, which generally will not require as wide as 14mm.

Now just waiting on someone to shed light on the 24-70 f/2.8...

Why not try a NISI filter holder with landscape polarizer, I have recently bought one but had little time to test it fully I am still waiting for graduated slide in filters to arrive, there is no vignetting from the frame with the 14-30 using the polarizer so there will not be a problem when the slide in filters arrive. I know about the sometime affects on a blue sky with polarizers but that is not their only use , removing reflections of water and glass is also useful. but you also have the 24-70 which will benefit from a polarizer. It takes 3 slide in filters but I removed one of the 3 slide fittings when I could see vignetting  at 14mm but ok with 2 slots, I bought the version 5 but the version 6 has a lock for the polarizer rotation. at a extra cost.

I had the 75mm version but have had to sell it since it does not go up to the 82mm of the 14-30

NISI

Ricci Talks discusses filters for the 14-30 f4 at around 18mins in his review of the 14-30mm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE0mSDIw0xs&t=44s

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OP Tony_J Forum Member • Posts: 74
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cosmicnode wrote:

Why not try a NISI filter holder with landscape polarizer

I'm just not interested in a filter kit, too much hassle to carry around and set up in the field. (In fact, I'm often lazy enough that I will put an ND filter over my UV protection filter if vignetting is not a problem and I'm only taking a few shots with the ND; it's better to accept a tiny amount of degradation in image quality than to potentially miss the shot.)

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