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ED 100-400 f5.0-6.3 loose on mount?

Started Sep 12, 2020 | Questions
Pollos Regular Member • Posts: 447
Re: ED 100-400 f5.0-6.3 loose on mount?

OuP wrote:

Here is my question to Olympus:

"The lens rotates about 0.5mm when locked in on the camera mount. This is unlike any other Olympus lens that I use.. This problem has also been discussed in the Digital Photography Review M4/3 user forum. Please advise if this is an issue applicable to all 100-400mm lenses or is mine a "lemon" which should be returned?"

This is the Olympus reply:

"Thank you for contacting Olympus Technical Support.
Here is the official answer.
This is not a design mistake nor manufacturing mistake.
In order to achieve the smooth attachment and detachment of a lens, the size of a hole to fix the lens, which can be seen on the back of the lens, is designed slightly larger than a hole on a camera mount. And the hole size of the 100-400 mm lens is also within our standard. Because of this, when rotating a zoom ring and a focus ring, the lens might move a bit.
This does not affect the image quality or dust-/splash-proof performance. And users can use this lens without any concerns."

Olympus sees the "bit" of rotational movement as acceptable. Odd that their other lenses don't have the same amount of play.

I guess I will learn to live with it - it is a nice lens.

are they  crazy?

I will send today my 100-400 for check and  because its horrible sound and movement for a 1300-1500€ lens.

Can you send this and tell them that tolerance is a little silence movement not an horrible "Click"?

jrfmef Regular Member • Posts: 117
Re: ED 100-400 f5.0-6.3 loose on mount?

Before the news about the loose fit popped up, I was going to buy this lens, but when I clicked on the BUY button nothing happened. I tried a few more times before giving up. After reading the about the fit issue, I'm glad I didn't get it. Not only is the somewhat sloppy fit concern me, but after looking at the picture, I wonder if the pin can sit deep enough; the depth looks shallower than on the other models. I wonder if the loose fit will affect focus if you are using manual focus. A little extra distance does make a difference.

The machining of the slot really looks like it was done in a high school shop class.

John

Brian Wadie
Brian Wadie Forum Pro • Posts: 11,017
Re: ED 100-400 f5.0-6.3 loose on mount?
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its interesting to try it with a few other Olympus lenses, some are tight fit, some similar to the 100-400. As one maybe should expect, there is less play with pro lenses than others. Its all low level rotational play, no movement in any other plane and I have yet to have a problem arising from such "slop"

(out of interest, I saw similar variations with my canon lenses, the L lenses were always a "tighter" fit than others)

Maybe you do get what you pay for in terms of tolerances?

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Pollos Regular Member • Posts: 447
Re: ED 100-400 f5.0-6.3 loose on mount?

Conclusion of this long voyage.

Olympus told me that ALL 100-400 have mount game/play and for Olympus it isn’t a problem.

I think will leave the lens in the store because i can’t use a lens with click and game every time i zoom from 100 to 300-400mm.

Brian Wadie
Brian Wadie Forum Pro • Posts: 11,017
Re: ED 100-400 f5.0-6.3 loose on mount?

Pollos wrote:

sunnydayz wrote:

Helen wrote:

I've been meaning to ask (purely out of curiosity) - if you or any other forum members happen to have any Sigma lenses with an m43 mount (I don't) - do they have the same design of locking pin recess as the Olympus 100-400mm? Thanks.

I don't have any Sigma m43 lenses, but found on ebay some lenses for comparison.

Full disclosure: These images belong to the respective owners of the lenses put up for sale on ebay. These images are posted here only for educational purposes.

Sigma 30mm f2.8 mft mount

Sigma 19mm f2.8 mft mount

Sigma 100-400mm Sony mount

Sigma 100-400mm Canon mount

The Sigma lenses mft or other camera mount shows a milled detent. Notice the Sigma 100-400mm for Sony and Canon mounts do not have the locking detent insert found on the Oly 100-400mm.

As a side note, out of curiosity I've checked rotation play on a couple of my film cameras and there is a little play as well. All lenses will have a small amount of rotation play as there must be some mechanical tolerance designed in. I'm sure you've read other posts here that someone had some other lens that was too tight and they could not even fully mount the lens on camera.

Anyway, on a case by case basis, I guess it boils down to whether the lens someone received is way out of tolerance or they just don't like any looseness at all. The only remedy then is to contact Olympus or the retailer and see if an exchange or return for full refund is possible.

my 100-400 zuiko

My 12-40 pro

My 45 mm 2.8 sigma for Sony FE

I checked some size for pin and hole.

Em1mkii and penF and 12-40 are less of 2mm

Sigma and 100-400 are 2mm and this make the mount movement.

I hate little this movement because you can't buy an expensive lens and have this problems.

not expensive for what it is, remember its not a pro lens, despite its excellent performance

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Richard Saville
Richard Saville New Member • Posts: 2
Re: ED 100-400 f5.0-6.3 loose on mount?

That's funny - so does mine !  When I turn the zoom control one way or the other there is a definite slight knocking noise and feeling. Don't get it with any of my other Olympus lenses or bodies.  I would say any movement is almost unmeasurable but definitely there.  I no longer notice it when using this  wonderful piece of kit.

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Glass - I New Member • Posts: 2
Re: ED 100-400 f5.0-6.3 loose on mount?

Thanks to everyone for their comments; I appreciate the information.  Here's my contribution.  My 100-400 is also a bit loose on all three of my Olympus bodies (including the OM-1).  None of my three PRO lenses are.  But - this is similar to my experience with Canon bodies and lenses (I have been a Canon shooter for thirty years).  I have eight or nine Canon bodies and twelve to fifteen lenses (Without counting can't be sure.).  My Canon L lenses are tight, but some of my Tamron and Sigma lenses have a little play in them.  Was concerning at first, but never affected IQ, and I got used to it.  I suspect that the manufacturing tolerances are just tighter on the more expensive lenses, both Canon and Olympus.  I'll bet there's no play in the 150-400 PRO.  I suspect this is true with many different kinds of products, a Ferrai has higher fit and finish than a Ford.   Anyway, thanks to this forum I won't bother to contact OMDS.

Yannis1976
Yannis1976 Veteran Member • Posts: 6,309
Re: ED 100-400 f5.0-6.3 loose on mount? Yes!

OuP wrote:

Anyone have this issue? Got the lens a couple of days back and noted the lens is loose on the mount - rotates about 0.5mm (maybe more) but certainly noticeable. Tried it on OMD EM1 Mk11 and OMD EM1 M1 with same results. Checked other lenses and these don't rotate. Is this a faulty lens which should be sent back for a replacement?
Your advice appreciated.
OuP

Same here, I feel the lens rotates more than my other m43 and Fuji lenses, but don’t mind that much. I have kind of accepted it’s normal.

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Mait Regular Member • Posts: 494
Re: ED 100-400 f5.0-6.3 loose on mount? Yes!

Mine has the same little movement.... it does not bother me, it does not affect anything.

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JuhaV Regular Member • Posts: 288
Re: ED 100-400 f5.0-6.3 loose on mount?

Its normal. Olympus said that, i dont remember where..

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JuhaV Regular Member • Posts: 288
Answer is here!

Look answer here:

https://smallsensorphotography.com/100-400-mount-clarification

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Richard Saville
Richard Saville New Member • Posts: 2
Re: ED 100-400 f5.0-6.3 loose on mount?

Mine is exactly the same. My PRO lenses do not have this slight movement.  Seems to be normal for the 100-400.  Strange but not a problem.

R

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