Cheap FX that is still worth buying?

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ciaran33 Contributing Member • Posts: 636
Cheap FX that is still worth buying?

As above, I'd like to gain a bit of low-light quality compared with my D7200 with an f2.8 lens. Do D600s still have oil-on-shutter syndrome? I'd be looking to get a used 24-120 f4 to go with it. Thanks for any suggestions.

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Droster Senior Member • Posts: 1,078
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They fixed the oil splatter issue and rebranded the D600 as D610. So you should be looking at the D610.

But having said that, if you're buying new, for less than the price of a new D610 ($1,600), you can consider a Z5+FTZ (B&H = $1450) instead.

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OP ciaran33 Contributing Member • Posts: 636
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Thanks, very nice, but it's far from new I would be looking!

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Vetteran Senior Member • Posts: 1,460
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I was facing a similar situation as you. I purchased a new D750 w/24-120 and then a slightly used additional D750 (48 clicks). They cost $1696 and $810, respectively. Very pleased.

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Neil-O Contributing Member • Posts: 593
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Not sure what markets you have access to in Ireland, but UK prices for older FX Nikons are becoming quite interesting.  If you like the D600 it is probably the best value for money, prices have pretty much slipped below the old D700 now especially if you buy privately.  The oil spot issue seems to have tainted the model permanently, but it's no big deal if you know how to clean your own sensor.

The D610 commands higher premiums, but evens so a fair 610 is almost the same price as a really good 700 now, in which case I'd rather have the 700.  You could even get a reasonable D3 for about the same money as a D610.  A bit left field is the D800 - well ragged examples are now down around £500 over here, which again puts it in the same ball park as the D610, D3 and pristine D700's.  I have also seen well used D750's for under £650, which is probably too much of a risk.

I don't have the experience to comment on the relative low light capabilities of all these cameras, I had a D700 and a D610 and the D610 could be pushed further, but I preferred the colours of the D700.

threw the lens Senior Member • Posts: 2,760
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D700 & D3 have absolutely minimal improvement in high iso compared to D7200 and you're better off with the D7200 at base iso. Base of D700 is 200 iso. Beware of D3, no dust shaker and most have been thrashed.

Nikon offered free recall of any D600 so there is no good reason to find a D600 with the oil spatter problem now.

The D600/D610 is an economical way of getting good high and low iso quality. You can get still better with the D800/E but it costs more.

I think the extra 100-200 of the D800 is well worth it for the AF, image quality and slightly better controls but it has a noisier shutter and works slower.

OP ciaran33 Contributing Member • Posts: 636
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I spend far too much time checking the U.K. sites such as MPB, prices for D600s are getting reasonable. A noisy shutter could be embarrassing during a theatrical event. And while I have cleaned sensors, it's not something I would relish, particularly if there was oil involved. Anyway, I'm just wondering about comparative image quality. GAS, moi ?

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Nikon 79 Regular Member • Posts: 356
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D700!!
End of story!

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I am copying from the fb group "Nikon D700/The Legend"

Have a look..

"

Let's be honest...
-12mpx is not enough if you want details on your shots
You need 36mpx-50mpx with a 50mb RAW file do get an impressive shot
(double click)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/romvi/8124479141/in/photolist-dnW5Az-pZ25Cx-bApSZ5-coFGkf-c2pYjm-n7TPiq-neqY7e-f77nbD-adT9QY-ydNAXC-awTPnz-biNbkK-7RTQ1P-9aQnFm-a4epRi-Nz2c6W-bACrWc-jHp3yM-a7bZZk-aFpv1F-fz1KG9-dNFmfn-vCRtoh-bUX1ne-j2LW4t-dSqw8c-edTX9s-dJ89Zk-drTjqz-pLnoTa-9uwSDt-br1kCf-ikaKV2-Avq5UT-9WLDY8-f7nC62-jNwiE4-bhabt4-eJJMep-9cK4G9-dJ9QVC-gjDDV2-9cFpgJ-at8EJf-brH6WZ-a23N1G-nqxQMe-BvTfDJ-bejEZz-ocoZMZ/
Especially if you want to get the same result in low light conditions, you will need a modern camera to keep the details.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/romvi/7162757863/in/photolist-bUX1ne-j2LW4t-dSqw8c-edTX9s-dJ89Zk-drTjqz-pLnoTa-9uwSDt-br1kCf-ikaKV2-Avq5UT-9WLDY8-f7nC62-jNwiE4-bhabt4-eJJMep-9cK4G9-dJ9QVC-gjDDV2-9cFpgJ-at8EJf-brH6WZ-a23N1G-nqxQMe-BvTfDJ-bejEZz-ocoZMZ-nqQZvy-bFEs2T-o8y2Bd-bgeeJk-e8j5Cu-bioBvH-AD2JdS-ynmZJ8-e5HaRy-agBwJv-jLfu3b-bE3NYN-jNwp4a-dcK5Gu-awFFyN-95XeNo-991A1J-e3MjnV-aCWeoT-dZEzYG-badrec-dGqYBr-fXjoqP
-If you want details at night the DR of the D700 is not enough. Look for modern technology..
https://www.flickr.com/photos/tibidabobcn/7069623599/
-Do you want great astrophotography shots?
Sorry...but you might need something more advanced than an old D700.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/hicksonimages/9231976599/in/photolist-f4Ni1k-fQ3F7w-KNhxmi-2j8jhDC-2j8SXAh-hjvihB-ftxRgx-8LnABT-8UULLq-F87tiz-fxsAa4-fdtteE-yf916C-Y2eSZF-eQ9PPW-2j9stam-eBcXUE-2inhJNP-bvx25S-cZ4bdd-e36tFu-2idptzo-nch5cv-nReMwN-6HLpiX-8DbDN2-XNayBa-Atcdus-fhgzm7-abuwDh-PTi5F4-pq9VJJ-X9ErXt-eXrNns-8qVAoD-8yerem-jwV9M5-8yy11Q-d7MeNq-QYzhnt-o3kijp-hAGDaq-2gqaV8e-2jt2Lt8-KPUS6W-9VewdL-WSm4XH-jyoNBk-giHgA8-8zamgP
The D700 is capable only for about 3200 iso.
Sorry...For 6400 and 12800 you need newer technology.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/49543739@N05/5501016514/in/photolist-9o79yj-6BMZzu-bKFVkP-RuMcgc-8gqQHK-5oggRc-8xrvWQ-6aNGJu-c2ETqY-am39kq-7eynHv-6UjtDU-6VSGi4-84XVpF-9VdFBR-dMfuPu-9nkyLH-9qXjG6-7mKes5-9Eq1Je-bqHko8-9nkyEP-agosgD-973kAE-5uVRsY-9EsVHE-at3FV1-8vUc3X-agos5e-99HjL5-b9GsS4-82e4Sn-7zQ5f7-5XL9Tf-9YT2zW-7qsXVi-6e12kn-7HM3nh-7zDDZH-UMG4ah-86WVzP-8Kqhg5-5XN9TD-6ECiNe-9x81FJ-62HCmP-6qPnPk-6BMZDj-64q3r1-99uWNr?fbclid=IwAR3PjauTQZxoS9wOXZFGSFt_n9ylWkHTJYDckn_pHSLGCVIVsI7misLcBOs
https://www.flickr.com/photos/eaarseth/2875856028/in/photolist-5r83dc-5f7GMc-5fc4n1-5f7HMa-5ZC8VR-5YxnpK-9bnhuF-5f7EJZ-oPc8xj-5o8vNC-bLSDRe-7tuvEA-8ZvoPS-dh5aZ7-oAm2zz-pSLwvR-fp9Mz7-8NETQm-cH7coY-9NytA9-8ZvtvN-fKKUxm-MndsD2-5aj5RH-aWLf8r-dWNXVN-a6ucUg-aWL9jT-aXdPWV-9oX98G-aXdXM6-7VqLn9-7mSjkm-desBam-bMJ1Ga-5Ku7pC-8rCchJ-bGt6HR-88LzF2-qB7KC9-jWxtbs-5G9t6K-buDUAg-98sNat-cH5V8U-ctCW63-67c2bw-8qEicv-94Qf34-cHGuNq/?fbclid=IwAR1rkWMnccV72B3yrS5HJh8ahIt1JXmQBUdcTtKxRBZiKSNcU0xQFnfp_I4
-You need a 2020 focus system for fast-moving object.
Forget about the D700
https://www.flickr.com/photos/shaundickinson/9980797364/

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scokill Veteran Member • Posts: 6,322
Re: Cheap FX that is still worth buying?

ciaran33 wrote:

As above, I'd like to gain a bit of low-light quality compared with my D7200 with an f2.8 lens. Do D600s still have oil-on-shutter syndrome? I'd be looking to get a used 24-120 f4 to go with it. Thanks for any suggestions.

You will gain about 1 stop give or take.  If you use f4 on the D6x0 you will be about the same as D7200 @ f2.8.

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nikonguybutwhoknows New Member • Posts: 2
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D800, no question, its marginally more expensive than a D700, with image quality that still outperforms most cameras today. D810 is still pricey relative to what you get compared to a D800 (the only significant improvement being 1080/60 in filming). D800/E has better construction too, mount build has less plastic/more metal.

And I suggest it over the D700 because you can keep your spare batteries and SD cards from your current camera, and keep them when you feel like changing to a newer Nikon camera. D700 batteries are obsolete and only use CF cards.

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nikonguybutwhoknows wrote:

D800/E has better construction too, mount build has less plastic/more metal.

That's arguable since the D800 frame is known to break under impact,  something that the D810 does not do.

There are many more differences between the D800 and the D810 than just the video spec you mentioned, starting with a more reliable AF.

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rdavy Regular Member • Posts: 326
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If your budget is limited, the D600 is a viable option. Learn how to clean the sensor if necessary.

Other highly rated cameras are not immune to this issue.

There is some evidence that the oil spot issue diminishes as the shutter count goes up. Depending on your shooting style and post processing, oil spots may not be noticeable. However, some people are just spooked of the possibility that any such problem might be lurking.

The D600 autofocus in dim light is not really great though.

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Craftsman70 Regular Member • Posts: 217
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threw the lens wrote:

Nikon offered free recall of any D600 so there is no good reason to find a D600 with the oil spatter problem now.

Of course, there are.

Not every D600 owner was aware of the advisory as service advisories for consumer electronics (which this is really) isn't the same as let's say an auto advisory as most consumer products companies don't have a complete list of consumers who purchased the product so they can't directly notify them.  All the company can do is to do a press release and inform their retailers about the issue.  If the product's owner doesn't look at industry media (ie photo websites and the like) or visit their retailer asking about the issue, they would never know about it.  This is very similar to how products with an actual safety recall can still be found in 2nd hand stores and private sales.

Also, even if the shutter has been replaced and tested by Nikon, that doesn't mean the camera won't have a problem.  How do I know?  Because I had that happen to me... I sent my D600 in for cleaning before the end of the service advisory thinking I would get a good cleaning in for free before the end of the advisory.  Nikon deemed it to be a good idea to replace my shutter with a new one while they had it.  After I got the camera back from Nikon, I found that it now had an oil spatter issue when it didn't have one before (it just had a dust issue).  To Nikon's credit, they immediately decided to replace the camera with a new D610.  I convinced them to allow me to upgrade to a D780 (for an additional cost of course) and then COVID hit and closed all of the service centres.  I may get my replacement/upgrade by the end of the month after sending my camera in originally in November.

In short, while I travelled large portions of the globe with my D600 and found the results great, I would not buy another at this point since Nikon cancelled their service advisory.

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curve241 Forum Member • Posts: 69
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Just Nick wrote:

D700!!
End of story!

^^^^^^^^^^

What he said.

NotAPhotog Regular Member • Posts: 434
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D750, bought it a few months back used, very impressed with it

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J_o_e_l Regular Member • Posts: 153
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Man, there has never been a better time to buy a Nikon FX camera...with the exception of the D850/D780, you can pretty much buy any of the all-time greats used for $1000 or less!

For example, I have an amazingly great performing D800 that I can't even sell because the used value is so low that it's better to just keep it! Also, I just recently bought a D3s for $800...that is the PRO low-light champion that changed the photography game just a decade ago! Similarly a D600/D610 will cost you a few hundred bucks, just like the D800/810 that may be a couple hundred more than that!

The world is your oyster my friend, feel confident to buy any of them, they all perform great! It comes down to best price available with least wear from a reputable/real seller.

Curve ball: before you buy one, though, do consider that Nikon's Z cameras are incredible performers... Even the little Z50 shoots on par with a lot of the greats! The Z6 is the top of the top camera right now (in my opinion) and it is new on eBay for only $1600.

Here's some proof of what I'm saying about the Z50...shot by me using the exact same focal length, color profile, exposure, aperture and ISO settings (these are JPGs SOOC):

D800 vs D3s vs Z50 (all three of these cameras cost ~$800 USD today):

D800 vs D3s vs Z50

D800 vs D3s vs Z50

D800 vs D3s vs Z50

D800 vs D3s vs Z50

In summary, they all look great. Very little difference between them (when set identical).

Hope that's helpful.

Joel

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lightandaprayer Senior Member • Posts: 3,912
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I won't address each of the opinions from the Flickr group because that is what they are. . . opinions. I have different opinions regarding some of the D700 "issues."

For example, if you use a quality noise reduction program the D700 can be used at ISO6400 and even a little north of that. Personally, an ISO 3200 limit isn't a hardship for me after photographing professional theatre with ISO1000 B&W film (and more like ISO 320 using tungsten slide film). LOL

I think that even with its limitations, the D700 is an excellent general purpose DSLR, even in the year 2020. You won't find a better built Nikon unless you invest in a top of-the-line Dx series DSLR.

I'm simply not interested in using cameras with the build quality of the D600/610.

The D700 is shutter mechanism is loud but it won't leave the camera sensor covered with oil spots either. Every time I hear the harmonious sound of a D700 shutter/mirror I think to myself "Now THAT'S a shutter that is going to live past 500,000 clicks!"

When I see all of the wonderful images made with the D700, I don't notice its technological shortcomings relative to newer cameras. The D700 is a modern Nikon classic for good reasons: It is an incredibly reliable camera and in the hands of a skilled photographer it is still capable of making fine images. Such photographers have always been able to get the best out of whatever camera/lens combo they happen to use. They're not wasting time making excuses about lacking a little dynamic range, AF speed, sensor resolution, etc., etc. They leave that for others to do on gearhead forums. . .

nznikon Regular Member • Posts: 115
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D3s.

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"cheap" is relative and everyone will have its own definiton, but from a "cheapest" PoV, I'd say that both the D700 and D600 are super bang for buck.

I had both (still have the D600) which I bought second hand. My D600 had the shutter replaced and had no oil splat issues.

I found the D700 nearly darn perfect for pretty much everything and superb for portraits and  OoC colour accuracy. Only area where it falls short is in MP, in case you want to print big (if you only want to display online, its perfectly fine).

That's where the D600 comes in. I do a lot of landscape photo and I use the D600 when I need more resolution. I also do a lot of panos, so I dont really want more than 24Mp. Stitching 6-7-8 or more 36Mp files you end up with a very large file that I have no use for.

so...even the cheapest Nikon FX you can buy are still excellent for pretty much everything.

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