Windows 10 make look like Win 7?

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Re: Windows 10 make look like Win 7?

Classic Shell still works in the latest version of Windows 10 or you can use Open Shell which is largely based on Classic Shell https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu/releases

Note you can configure Classic / Open Shell so mouse hover over the Start icon opens Classic / Open Shell and left click opens the Windows 10 Start menu - so you can use either.

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In truth I have spent very little time with W10, I should try harder. But...say I plug in a usb stick, there is no icon pop up on the desktop, I have to go hunting in menus.

Try Windows Explorer.

Yes, and Autoplay can be set to automatically open Explorer when a USB drive is inserted. Very convenient.

https://www.windowscentral.com/how-configure-autoplay-windows-10

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Re: Windows 10 make look like Win 7?

SC489 wrote:

Classic Shell still works in the latest version of Windows 10 or you can use Open Shell which is largely based on Classic Shell https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu/releases

Note you can configure Classic / Open Shell so mouse hover over the Start icon opens Classic / Open Shell and left click opens the Windows 10 Start menu - so you can use either.

I've been using Classic Shell since I've upgraded my OS to W10. I hated the screen poluted with all those stupid tiles. Still works great, no issues.

Sagittarius Veteran Member • Posts: 7,030
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mmarian wrote:

SC489 wrote:

Classic Shell still works in the latest version of Windows 10 or you can use Open Shell which is largely based on Classic Shell https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu/releases

Note you can configure Classic / Open Shell so mouse hover over the Start icon opens Classic / Open Shell and left click opens the Windows 10 Start menu - so you can use either.

I've been using Classic Shell since I've upgraded my OS to W10. I hated the screen poluted with all those stupid tiles. Still works great, no issues.

I am using W10 since it was released. Never ever had a screen polluted with tiles. Could you please elaborate what are you talking about?

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Re: Windows 10 make look like Win 7?

Sagittarius wrote:

mmarian wrote:

SC489 wrote:

Classic Shell still works in the latest version of Windows 10 or you can use Open Shell which is largely based on Classic Shell https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu/releases

Note you can configure Classic / Open Shell so mouse hover over the Start icon opens Classic / Open Shell and left click opens the Windows 10 Start menu - so you can use either.

I've been using Classic Shell since I've upgraded my OS to W10. I hated the screen poluted with all those stupid tiles. Still works great, no issues.

I am using W10 since it was released. Never ever had a screen polluted with tiles. Could you please elaborate what are you talking about?

Those silly gigantic tiles

They look like something from kindergarten.

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Sagittarius Veteran Member • Posts: 7,030
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WryCuda wrote:

Sagittarius wrote:

mmarian wrote:

SC489 wrote:

Classic Shell still works in the latest version of Windows 10 or you can use Open Shell which is largely based on Classic Shell https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu/releases

Note you can configure Classic / Open Shell so mouse hover over the Start icon opens Classic / Open Shell and left click opens the Windows 10 Start menu - so you can use either.

I've been using Classic Shell since I've upgraded my OS to W10. I hated the screen poluted with all those stupid tiles. Still works great, no issues.

I am using W10 since it was released. Never ever had a screen polluted with tiles. Could you please elaborate what are you talking about?

Those silly gigantic tiles

They look like something from kindergarten.

I would respectfully  disagree. I have tiles representing my mostly used SW in the start menu. My main monitor (where I keep my task bar) is WQHD and I can perfectly see these tiles with my old eyes. BTW they look exactly like icons on desktop when you put one there.

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Re: Windows 10 make look like Win 7?

WryCuda wrote:

Sagittarius wrote:

mmarian wrote:

SC489 wrote:

Classic Shell still works in the latest version of Windows 10 or you can use Open Shell which is largely based on Classic Shell https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu/releases

Note you can configure Classic / Open Shell so mouse hover over the Start icon opens Classic / Open Shell and left click opens the Windows 10 Start menu - so you can use either.

I've been using Classic Shell since I've upgraded my OS to W10. I hated the screen poluted with all those stupid tiles. Still works great, no issues.

I am using W10 since it was released. Never ever had a screen polluted with tiles. Could you please elaborate what are you talking about?

Those silly gigantic tiles

They look like something from kindergarten.

You can simply remove the tiles if you don't like them.
Right click a tile and "Unpin from Start".
Start menu tiles have always been optional:
How to Remove Tiles and Get Classic Start Menu

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Hi, my wife is struggling to use her Win 10 laptop, especially now that she needs to do Zoom meetings. She can whizz around her iPad and iPhone better than me, though I like my Mac Book Pro. I've had Windows laptops for years, but the Win 10 interface has me befuddled. There was a Classic Shell app to restore the old Win 7 look, but it hasn't been updated for years. (Dear me, I'm beginning to sound like a Luddite). Any thoughts?

Yes, for some users, Win8 was unusable until Classic Shell came to the rescue. I don't know the full story on CS for Win10, but I believe that the developers just gave up.

Yes, development of Classic Shell ended a while back.  But it was revived and now goes under the name Open Shell .

It works fine on Windows 10.  I started using Classic Shell when I switched to Windows 7 and continue to use it today as Open Shell with Windows 10.

Microsoft seems to not have any good ideas for a usable interface.  Their "live tiles" and default interface for Windows 10 are hopeless, in my opinion.  I am sure some people love it, but I sure don't.  Open Shell allows me to take back control of my desktop.

I even have a Windows XP skin for Windows 10. 

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When I inatalled the W10 and saw all the childish looking tiles, I installed the Classic Shell and never looked back. I get it that you can customize and remove the tiles but I did not now that then and was horrified by the look of my screen after the first boot up. As I said, Classic Shell did it for me then and it still does it today.

Is there any drawback/performance degradation of my computer from having the Classic Shell operating in the background? If yes,I might look at it again and uninstall and customise the W10 start up screen to my liking.

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mmarian wrote:

Is there any drawback/performance degradation of my computer from having the Classic Shell operating in the background?

A look at Open Shell in the Task Manager tells me it uses 0% CPU time (obviously rounded) and 1.7 MB of RAM.

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The easiest way to find stuff on windows 10 is just to search.  There's a big search bar right in the bottom corner by the "start" button.  Need an app or setting?  Type it in there and search.

Other ways to make life easier is to pin stuff to the start and taskbar.  (right click, pin)

I would not recommend installing some classic shell thing.  It's just going to delay the inevitable and make your system run worse.  Just fumble through learning the OS and will become second nature before long.

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When I inatalled the W10 and saw all the childish looking tiles, I installed the Classic Shell and never looked back. I get it that you can customize and remove the tiles but I did not now that then and was horrified by the look of my screen after the first boot up. As I said, Classic Shell did it for me then and it still does it today.

Is there any drawback/performance degradation of my computer from having the Classic Shell operating in the background? If yes,I might look at it again and uninstall and customise the W10 start up screen to my liking.

I ran Classic Shell for about 4 years on my Win8.1 "netbook" and never had a worry, and it seems that it's OK with Win10 as well. I now just ignore things that I don't like, as I'm more interested in the applications than the OS.

I'm pleased that someone else shares my opinion of the "childish and gigantic tiles". I presume that they are that size for touch operation. Funny thing, even with my large hands, I can use an iPad very efficiently, even though items are often set at 3mm pitch (DPReview forum list, for example).

Seems that MS is afflicted with the "ponytail" school of GUI design.

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I'm pleased that someone else shares my opinion of the "childish and gigantic tiles". I presume that they are that size for touch operation. Funny thing, even with my large hands, I can use an iPad very efficiently, even though items are often set at 3mm pitch (DPReview forum list, for example).

Seems that MS is afflicted with the "ponytail" school of GUI design.

There is a choice of size for tiles. The "Small" (which is smaller than the desktop icon at default size)  is 1/4 the size of a "Medium" tile.

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I would not recommend installing some classic shell thing. It's just going to delay the inevitable and make your system run worse.

This PC has two Windows 10 installs on separate boot drives; one has Classic Shell, one does not. There's no detectable performance difference, and I have no problem using either. To CS or not CS is, as far as I can tell, purely a matter of personal preference.

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Patco wrote:

WryCuda wrote:

I'm pleased that someone else shares my opinion of the "childish and gigantic tiles". I presume that they are that size for touch operation. Funny thing, even with my large hands, I can use an iPad very efficiently, even though items are often set at 3mm pitch (DPReview forum list, for example).

Seems that MS is afflicted with the "ponytail" school of GUI design.

There is a choice of size for tiles. The "Small" (which is smaller than the desktop icon at default size) is 1/4 the size of a "Medium" tile.

I don't understand this "problem". Are people using Win 10 in Tablet Mode? The only place I see these tiles is off to the side on those rare times when I open the Start Menu. Win10 looks pretty much like an improved Win7 to me. I skipped Win8 because it was ALL tiles, but Win10 seems to work essentially identical to Win7. What am I missing?

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Patco wrote:

WryCuda wrote:

I'm pleased that someone else shares my opinion of the "childish and gigantic tiles". I presume that they are that size for touch operation. Funny thing, even with my large hands, I can use an iPad very efficiently, even though items are often set at 3mm pitch (DPReview forum list, for example).

Seems that MS is afflicted with the "ponytail" school of GUI design.

There is a choice of size for tiles. The "Small" (which is smaller than the desktop icon at default size) is 1/4 the size of a "Medium" tile.

I don't understand this "problem". Are people using Win 10 in Tablet Mode? The only place I see these tiles is off to the side on those rare times when I open the Start Menu. Win10 looks pretty much like an improved Win7 to me. I skipped Win8 because it was ALL tiles, but Win10 seems to work essentially identical to Win7. What am I missing?

I don't think there's a "problem", it's just that I and others find OpenShell a better UI.

I'm sure that isn't "problem" for you (or I hope not!)

It's just personal preference.

The W10 start menu shows only a small fraction of the programs on the list, and I have to scroll down about 6 times to get to the bottom of the list.

The Open Shell start menu shows the whole start menu on screen at once (although it's cropped in this screen scrape).  For me it's easier to find stuff that way, especially if it's something I rarely use and can't remember the name until I see it.

Open Shell is also much more configurable.

There isn't a "problem", just a preference.

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Simon Garrett wrote:

gscotten wrote:

Patco wrote:

WryCuda wrote:

I'm pleased that someone else shares my opinion of the "childish and gigantic tiles". I presume that they are that size for touch operation. Funny thing, even with my large hands, I can use an iPad very efficiently, even though items are often set at 3mm pitch (DPReview forum list, for example).

Seems that MS is afflicted with the "ponytail" school of GUI design.

There is a choice of size for tiles. The "Small" (which is smaller than the desktop icon at default size) is 1/4 the size of a "Medium" tile.

I don't understand this "problem". Are people using Win 10 in Tablet Mode? The only place I see these tiles is off to the side on those rare times when I open the Start Menu. Win10 looks pretty much like an improved Win7 to me. I skipped Win8 because it was ALL tiles, but Win10 seems to work essentially identical to Win7. What am I missing?

I don't think there's a "problem", it's just that I and others find OpenShell a better UI.

I'm sure that isn't "problem" for you (or I hope not!)

It's just personal preference.

The W10 start menu shows only a small fraction of the programs on the list, and I have to scroll down about 6 times to get to the bottom of the list.

The Open Shell start menu shows the whole start menu on screen at once (although it's cropped in this screen scrape). For me it's easier to find stuff that way, especially if it's something I rarely use and can't remember the name until I see it.

Open Shell is also much more configurable.

There isn't a "problem", just a preference.

Have you tried START in full screen mode?

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Seems that MS is afflicted with the "ponytail" school of GUI design.

Do you have somebody in mind? Ponytail (as in MLP = my little ponytail) was Dan Lyons' nickname for Jonathan Schwartz, worst CEO of all time who wasn't a crook. MLP did not do GUI design, he just oversold Java and lost money selling software for nothing, but making it up in volume. So he said.

The idiot who took away the Start menu in W8 and loaded up the UI with swiping gestures and charms (whatever they were) was Steven Sinofsky, who didn't have enough hair for a ponytail. Sinofsky doth tweet, if you're interested.

Maybe swiping gestures weren't so silly... Android phones use them heavily since 7 or 8.

Jakob Nielsen and Don Norman run a well-respected UI consultancy, nngroup.com. Neither has a ponytail.

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Sagittarius wrote:

Simon Garrett wrote:

gscotten wrote:

Patco wrote:

WryCuda wrote:

I'm pleased that someone else shares my opinion of the "childish and gigantic tiles". I presume that they are that size for touch operation. Funny thing, even with my large hands, I can use an iPad very efficiently, even though items are often set at 3mm pitch (DPReview forum list, for example).

Seems that MS is afflicted with the "ponytail" school of GUI design.

There is a choice of size for tiles. The "Small" (which is smaller than the desktop icon at default size) is 1/4 the size of a "Medium" tile.

I don't understand this "problem". Are people using Win 10 in Tablet Mode? The only place I see these tiles is off to the side on those rare times when I open the Start Menu. Win10 looks pretty much like an improved Win7 to me. I skipped Win8 because it was ALL tiles, but Win10 seems to work essentially identical to Win7. What am I missing?

I don't think there's a "problem", it's just that I and others find OpenShell a better UI.

I'm sure that isn't "problem" for you (or I hope not!)

It's just personal preference.

The W10 start menu shows only a small fraction of the programs on the list, and I have to scroll down about 6 times to get to the bottom of the list.

The Open Shell start menu shows the whole start menu on screen at once (although it's cropped in this screen scrape). For me it's easier to find stuff that way, especially if it's something I rarely use and can't remember the name until I see it.

Open Shell is also much more configurable.

There isn't a "problem", just a preference.

Have you tried START in full screen mode?

Yes, it's fine.  As I say, nothing wrong with the W10 Start Menu, and I sometimes use it.  With Open Shell installed, if you hold shift when clicking the start button, you get W10 start menu.  But I prefer Open Shell.

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