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I just realised something (Pentax K-New)

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Breakfastographer 2 • Contributing Member • Posts: 544

I just realised something (Pentax K-New)

Sep 7, 2020

Regarding the naming question,

K-x -> K-r -> (skip KQ) -> KP -> (skip KO) -> KN

(Yes, I'm glossing over the K-S1/2, but that's justified as Ricoh said at the time that it's a new model line, not a direct replacement of the K-50.)

So they can call it the KN and then in marketing materials let the N stand for New.

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david vella • Senior Member • Posts: 2,764

Re: I just realised something (Pentax K-New)

In reply to Breakfastographer 2 • Sep 7, 2020

Breakfastographer 2 wrote:

Regarding the naming question,

K-x -> K-r -> (skip KQ) -> KP -> (skip KO) -> KN

(Yes, I'm glossing over the K-S1/2, but that's justified as Ricoh said at the time that it's a new model line, not a direct replacement of the K-50.)

So they can call it the KN and then in marketing materials let the N stand for New.

So not Pentax KKK ?:-)

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ogl • Senior Member • Posts: 2,004

Re: I just realised something (Pentax K-New)

In reply to Breakfastographer 2 • Sep 7, 2020

Breakfastographer 2 wrote:

Regarding the naming question,

K-x -> K-r -> (skip KQ) -> KP -> (skip KO) -> KN

(Yes, I'm glossing over the K-S1/2, but that's justified as Ricoh said at the time that it's a new model line, not a direct replacement of the K-50.)

So they can call it the KN and then in marketing materials let the N stand for New.

K-x, K-r, KP are amateur line of cameras...

K-new is top APS-C - K-7, K-5, K-3....

ogl's gear list:ogl's gear list

Pentax K-5 IIs Pentax smc FA 31mm F1.8 AL Limited Pentax smc FA 43mm F1.9 Limited

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OP Breakfastographer 2 • Contributing Member • Posts: 544

Re: I just realised something (Pentax K-New)

In reply to ogl • Sep 7, 2020

ogl wrote:

Breakfastographer 2 wrote:

Regarding the naming question,

K-x -> K-r -> (skip KQ) -> KP -> (skip KO) -> KN

(Yes, I'm glossing over the K-S1/2, but that's justified as Ricoh said at the time that it's a new model line, not a direct replacement of the K-50.)

So they can call it the KN and then in marketing materials let the N stand for New.

K-x, K-r, KP are amateur line of cameras...

K-new is top APS-C - K-7, K-5, K-3....

So please share with us, Dr. Logic, which number is next?

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Britney Elvis • Veteran Member • Posts: 5,382

Re: I just realised something (Pentax K-New)

In reply to ogl • Sep 7, 2020

ogl wrote:

Breakfastographer 2 wrote:

Regarding the naming question,

K-x -> K-r -> (skip KQ) -> KP -> (skip KO) -> KN

(Yes, I'm glossing over the K-S1/2, but that's justified as Ricoh said at the time that it's a new model line, not a direct replacement of the K-50.)

So they can call it the KN and then in marketing materials let the N stand for New.

K-x, K-r, KP are amateur line of cameras...

K-new is top APS-C - K-7, K-5, K-3....

PS--- K7 was a crap box! If that was their Prosumer at the time... then we should all be happy they were able to sell the company.
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zakaria • Veteran Member • Posts: 6,556

K-L

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Mark Ransom • Veteran Member • Posts: 8,209

Re: I just realised something (Pentax K-New)

In reply to Breakfastographer 2 • Sep 8, 2020

Breakfastographer 2 wrote:

ogl wrote:

Breakfastographer 2 wrote:

Regarding the naming question,

K-x -> K-r -> (skip KQ) -> KP -> (skip KO) -> KN

(Yes, I'm glossing over the K-S1/2, but that's justified as Ricoh said at the time that it's a new model line, not a direct replacement of the K-50.)

So they can call it the KN and then in marketing materials let the N stand for New.

K-x, K-r, KP are amateur line of cameras...

K-new is top APS-C - K-7, K-5, K-3....

So please share with us, Dr. Logic, which number is next?

Why K-1 of course... the flagship they thought would replace the K-3.

Mark Ransom's gear list:Mark Ransom's gear list

Pentax K-7 Pentax K-01 Olympus E-M5 II Pentax smc DA 15mm F4 ED AL Limited Pentax smc DA 18-135mm F3.5-5.6ED AL [IF] DC WR +6 more

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OP Breakfastographer 2 • Contributing Member • Posts: 544

Re: K-L

In reply to zakaria • Sep 8, 2020

Superman?

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OP Breakfastographer 2 • Contributing Member • Posts: 544

Re: I just realised something (Pentax K-New)

In reply to Mark Ransom • Sep 8, 2020

Mark Ransom wrote:

Breakfastographer 2 wrote:

ogl wrote:

Breakfastographer 2 wrote:

Regarding the naming question,

K-x -> K-r -> (skip KQ) -> KP -> (skip KO) -> KN

(Yes, I'm glossing over the K-S1/2, but that's justified as Ricoh said at the time that it's a new model line, not a direct replacement of the K-50.)

So they can call it the KN and then in marketing materials let the N stand for New.

K-x, K-r, KP are amateur line of cameras...

K-new is top APS-C - K-7, K-5, K-3....

So please share with us, Dr. Logic, which number is next?

Why K-1 of course... the flagship they thought would replace the K-3.

Not how I recall it. When the K-1 was released, Ricoh said they were doing it as a gesture to the faithful. There was never any mention that I can recall, that this would be the only flagship going forward - except in fan lore (I have on occasion pointed out it isn't a bad APS-C camera, with its half-decent resolution and fairly high frame rate, so I may in fact be somewhat guilty).

When the KP was released, Ricoh (after some initial teeth-grinding as I recall) made it clear that this wasn't the APS-C flagship, just a stop-gap and the real flagship was still coming. Now we know that the APS-C flagship was already somewhat progressed in its development at that time.

The K-1 naming happened because it was the only obvious worthy name left to give such a camera (K10D, K100D, K1000 and pretty much every other significant name being taken), and the fan base had used it early on, confirming the decision.

The general observation here is that people like numbers more than letters. But both will eventually run out.

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OP Breakfastographer 2 • Contributing Member • Posts: 544

Re: I just realised something (Pentax K-New)

In reply to Britney Elvis • Sep 8, 2020

Britney Elvis wrote:

ogl wrote:

Breakfastographer 2 wrote:

Regarding the naming question,

K-x -> K-r -> (skip KQ) -> KP -> (skip KO) -> KN

(Yes, I'm glossing over the K-S1/2, but that's justified as Ricoh said at the time that it's a new model line, not a direct replacement of the K-50.)

So they can call it the KN and then in marketing materials let the N stand for New.

K-x, K-r, KP are amateur line of cameras...

K-new is top APS-C - K-7, K-5, K-3....

PS--- K7 was a crap box! If that was their Prosumer at the time... then we should all be happy they were able to sell the company.

Yeah, no idea what possessed them to release that - must have been the megapixels.

So then should we call this one the "K-7 Proper"?

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ogl • Senior Member • Posts: 2,004

Re: I just realised something (Pentax K-New)

In reply to Breakfastographer 2 • Sep 8, 2020

Breakfastographer 2 wrote:

ogl wrote:

Breakfastographer 2 wrote:

Regarding the naming question,

K-x -> K-r -> (skip KQ) -> KP -> (skip KO) -> KN

(Yes, I'm glossing over the K-S1/2, but that's justified as Ricoh said at the time that it's a new model line, not a direct replacement of the K-50.)

So they can call it the KN and then in marketing materials let the N stand for New.

K-x, K-r, KP are amateur line of cameras...

K-new is top APS-C - K-7, K-5, K-3....

So please share with us, Dr. Logic, which number is next?

K-2 - top APS-C forever. K-2II, K-2III

K-1 is FF forever, K-1II, K-1III...

My guess

ogl's gear list:ogl's gear list

Pentax K-5 IIs Pentax smc FA 31mm F1.8 AL Limited Pentax smc FA 43mm F1.9 Limited

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david vella • Senior Member • Posts: 2,764

Re: I just realised something (Pentax K-New)

In reply to david vella • Sep 8, 2020

david vella wrote:

Breakfastographer 2 wrote:

Regarding the naming question,

K-x -> K-r -> (skip KQ) -> KP -> (skip KO) -> KN

(Yes, I'm glossing over the K-S1/2, but that's justified as Ricoh said at the time that it's a new model line, not a direct replacement of the K-50.)

So they can call it the KN and then in marketing materials let the N stand for New.

So not Pentax KKK ?:-)

So a great a camera that it deserves a triple moniker at least .

If the above is too extreme/ contentious , how about PENTAX 3K ?

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david vella • Senior Member • Posts: 2,764

Re: I just realised something (Pentax K-New)

In reply to ogl • Sep 8, 2020

ogl wrote:

Breakfastographer 2 wrote:

ogl wrote:

Breakfastographer 2 wrote:

Regarding the naming question,

K-x -> K-r -> (skip KQ) -> KP -> (skip KO) -> KN

(Yes, I'm glossing over the K-S1/2, but that's justified as Ricoh said at the time that it's a new model line, not a direct replacement of the K-50.)

So they can call it the KN and then in marketing materials let the N stand for New.

K-x, K-r, KP are amateur line of cameras...

K-new is top APS-C - K-7, K-5, K-3....

So please share with us, Dr. Logic, which number is next?

K-2 - top APS-C forever. K-2II, K-2III

K-1 is FF forever, K-1II, K-1III...

My guess

Yes , logical and makes sense .

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Benoz • Veteran Member • Posts: 6,866

Re: K-L

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zakaria wrote:

KL...would certainly be the most popular camera in Malaysia for sure!

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Mark Ransom • Veteran Member • Posts: 8,209

Re: I just realised something (Pentax K-New)

In reply to Breakfastographer 2 • Sep 8, 2020

Breakfastographer 2 wrote:

Mark Ransom wrote:

Breakfastographer 2 wrote:

ogl wrote:

K-x, K-r, KP are amateur line of cameras...

K-new is top APS-C - K-7, K-5, K-3....

So please share with us, Dr. Logic, which number is next?

Why K-1 of course... the flagship they thought would replace the K-3.

Not how I recall it. When the K-1 was released, Ricoh said they were doing it as a gesture to the faithful. There was never any mention that I can recall, that this would be the only flagship going forward - except in fan lore (I have on occasion pointed out it isn't a bad APS-C camera, with its half-decent resolution and fairly high frame rate, so I may in fact be somewhat guilty).

When the KP was released, Ricoh (after some initial teeth-grinding as I recall) made it clear that this wasn't the APS-C flagship, just a stop-gap and the real flagship was still coming. Now we know that the APS-C flagship was already somewhat progressed in its development at that time.

The K-1 naming happened because it was the only obvious worthy name left to give such a camera (K10D, K100D, K1000 and pretty much every other significant name being taken), and the fan base had used it early on, confirming the decision.

The general observation here is that people like numbers more than letters. But both will eventually run out.

I don't think Pentax ever admitted that their plan was to only have one flagship camera. But actions speak louder than words. If they were already planning a flagship APS-C when the KP came out, we would have seen it for sale long ago - I disagree that it "was already somewhat progressed". I believe their words at the time were vague, along the lines of "we're thinking about it".

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JasonTheBirder • Senior Member • Posts: 3,967

Re: I just realised something (Pentax K-New)

In reply to ogl • Sep 8, 2020

ogl wrote:

Breakfastographer 2 wrote:

Regarding the naming question,

K-x -> K-r -> (skip KQ) -> KP -> (skip KO) -> KN

(Yes, I'm glossing over the K-S1/2, but that's justified as Ricoh said at the time that it's a new model line, not a direct replacement of the K-50.)

So they can call it the KN and then in marketing materials let the N stand for New.

K-x, K-r, KP are amateur line of cameras...

K-new is top APS-C - K-7, K-5, K-3....

Good point. I think they are going to call it the K2, so that it seems close to the K1.

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