Old vehicles at Shuttleworth Collection

I visit the Shuttleworth Collection mostly for airshows.
But it has far more than aircraft!

I rarely use my Pentax D FA 24-70mm F2.8 lens for anything.
Mostly I use my PENTAX-D FA 28-105mm F3.5-5.6 lens, which is lighter.

But on this occasion I needed "24mm" rather than "28mm" at the short end.
Space was fairly restricted.
The Shuttleworth Collection knows how to put on a show!

I would have liked some blurring of the spokes, but with the vehicles coming or going diagonally, a slower shutter speed would have introduced hard-to-correct distortion.

Nice series Barry. Clean and well composed.

Tom W

Great compositions Barry.

Very nice !  Interesting range of vehicles.

Beautiful . ` have seen some of them on road when young ( in Mysuru and Bengalru  ) . Like them all .

Regards ,

mrp .

The real stars here are:

The Shuttleworth Collection
At Wikipedia

The re-enacters driving those vehicles.
Typically volunteers who themselves love the Shuttleworth Collection.

The Pentax K-1

The Pentax D FA 24-70mm F2.8 lens

(I can only claim credit for being there!)

M R Padmaraju wrote:

Beautiful . ` have seen some of them on road when young ( in Mysuru and Bengalru ) .

Lucky you. Not many of us can say that!

Like them all .

Regards ,

mrp .

Nice series Barry, the BSA brought back fond memories of riding my 1968 BSA 650 Thunderbolt and not so nice memories of its Lucas electronics.

Great photos Barry

Very nice series. Shuttleworth Collection will be on my list when I visit the UK in the future.

Crazy number og nicely restored vehicles..

Akhil wrote:

The subjects are quite attention grabbing. Nicely done.

Increase the color saturation in PP maybe for bright colors to pop?

Ha!

I have a tendency to over-do things.
In this case I held back, especially to try to keep the skin tones right.

These are in the category of "documentary" (or perhaps "photo-journalism").
I wanted the subjects to speak for themselves.

(Thanks).

Thanks for sharing Barry. Great works as usual !

It reminds me of a close encounter this year in Britanny near the beach

B&W because I wasn't able to do it justice in false colors from the IR Raw file

Best regards, Fred

Lots of interesting vehicles, some I've never seen, like this one:

Would you happen to know what it's called?

Skip py wrote:

Thanks for sharing Barry. Great works as usual !

It reminds me of a close encounter this year in Britanny near the beach

IR?

Please tell me more!

I'm currently reviewing and revising my equipment for IR photography.

(I love seeing the older vehicles! Nice capture).

B&W because I wasn't able to do it justice in false colors from the IR Raw file

Best regards, Fred

LightBug wrote:

Lots of interesting vehicles, some I've never seen, like this one:

I've found it!

THE BICYCLE COLLECTION

1882 STARLEY QUADRICYCLE

138 years old!

The Shuttleworth Collection isn't a normal museum.
They try to keep everything in working order if they can, and show them!

Would you happen to know what it's called?

Hi Barry

I bought a converted K01 second hand for its compatibility with my KA/F-mount lenses. Probably the better bet I made! Its bad reputation was exactly what I needed: a low cost brick with the look of a toy. Mine is just black, not yellow, but almost ... inconspicuous? Well, until I add a huge magnetic optical viewfinder on the rear screen : that reminds me of what I saw with my old Yashica Mat 124G's ground glass (that I still miss). DA 15mm is a gem for IR on APS-C: perfect in visible light, only a few drawbacks in IR when the sun is in the picture, but really good from my point of view.

MILC seems easier to use : simple conversion without the additional process of adjustments for just one lens and/or a specific wavelenght!!

In complement of Kolary or LifePixel websites and the likes, you will find on this site informations from a real user about the versatilty of such a game changer in landscape and IR photography (it would be the same with almost every MILC on the market) : "full spectrum".

http://infraedd.blogspot.com/2014/04/cameras-sony-a7-converted-to-full.html

If you're building a system with Canon R/RP/RF* you should also have a look at full spectrum conversions (drawbacks and advantages) : the Canon drop-in filter adapter should be the ideal complement to select your normal/IR wavelengths in the field with the good filter! That's the kind of "K New" I was expecting/dreaming from Pentax a few years ago : filters behind the KAF mount in the body (just one step further than their IR cameras : 645Z, K-1 and KP for institutional buyers only ! What a shame). More cost effective, only replacing normal by full spectrum sensors in small batchs for professionals ... and amateurs.

Regarding the lenses specificities, you will find lots of lens databases on the net, mostly for IR photography (to take with a grain of salt because the results should be slightly different for example at 720nm / 850nm / etc.). Simplified : the older the better for an homogenous response in all wavelenghts. Lots of old Canon EF/TSE should be good. I think that most new lenses are too optimised for visual light and lack something/mood (can't find a word). UV photography is another world: I guess MightyMike will have better advices on compatible lenses and precautious processes needed (I just had a look at a few books and articles yet).

Feel free to ask by PM if you have more specific questions (if I can answer, but I may say incorrect things that I believe are true, as I'm more interested in the resulting pictures than in the technical details)

... and sorry for hijacking your thread with this long post.

Regards, Fred

PS:

One more point. After a few search I realised that finally my A7iii is not the great candidate I imagined for a full spectrum conversion because of an internal IR device (used for AF if I'm correct) especially for low light photography (it's the same since the 2nd generation of the A7 and A7R). So, just do your work and find out about your next camera ... before bying in a new system !

Skip py wrote:

Please don't apologise for "hijacking this thread"!
Your information about IR important to me.

Hi Barry

I bought a converted K01 second hand for its compatibility with my KA/F-mount lenses. Probably the better bet I made! Its bad reputation was exactly what I needed: a low cost brick with the look of a toy. Mine is just black, not yellow, but almost ... inconspicuous? Well, until I add a huge magnetic optical viewfinder on the rear screen : that reminds me of what I saw with my old Yashica Mat 124G's ground glass (that I still miss). DA 15mm is a gem for IR on APS-C: perfect in visible light, only a few drawbacks in IR when the sun is in the picture, but really good from my point of view.

MILC seems easier to use : simple conversion without the additional process of adjustments for just one lens and/or a specific wavelenght!!

I'm hoping not to have a camera converted. This means that I need a camera with enough IR sensitivity, suitable visible-light elimination-filters, plus a tripod!

I've been trying to discover whether the Canon Ra has more sensitivity across the IR spectrum than other cameras.
(I've asked in the Canon RF Talk forum, without answers that I'm confident with).

It has 4x the sensitivity at Hydrogen-Alpha, 656.28nm, which is at the red end of the visible spectrum.
But is this narrow-pass, with conventional IR filtration thereafter? 
Or does it also have extra broad-pass IR sensitivity compared with other cameras?

If the latter, it may be the "perfect" camera for IR landscape photography.
(At a massive price which I currently can't afford!)

In complement of Kolary or LifePixel websites and the likes, you will find on this site informations from a real user about the versatilty of such a game changer in landscape and IR photography (it would be the same with almost every MILC on the market) : "full spectrum".

http://infraedd.blogspot.com/2014/04/cameras-sony-a7-converted-to-full.html

Thank you!

That is a super resource that I was unaware of.
It'll keep me busy for weeks!

If you're building a system with Canon R/RP/RF* you should also have a look at full spectrum conversions (drawbacks and advantages) : the Canon drop-in filter adapter should be the ideal complement to select your normal/IR wavelengths in the field with the good filter! That's the kind of "K New" I was expecting/dreaming from Pentax a few years ago : filters behind the KAF mount in the body (just one step further than their IR cameras : 645Z, K-1 and KP for institutional buyers only ! What a shame). More cost effective, only replacing normal by full spectrum sensors in small batchs for professionals ... and amateurs.

I had my Pentax K-7 converted.
Not full-spectrum: instead visible-light elimination, maximum IR sensitivity.

Regarding the lenses specificities, you will find lots of lens databases on the net, mostly for IR photography (to take with a grain of salt because the results should be slightly different for example at 720nm / 850nm / etc.). Simplified : the older the better for an homogenous response in all wavelenghts. Lots of old Canon EF/TSE should be good. I think that most new lenses are too optimised for visual light and lack something/mood (can't find a word). UV photography is another world: I guess MightyMike will have better advices on compatible lenses and precautious processes needed (I just had a look at a few books and articles yet)

Yes, I'm getting messages that suitable lenses are more important than I had realised.

Feel free to ask by PM if you have more specific questions (if I can answer, but I may say incorrect things that I believe are true, as I'm more interested in the resulting pictures than in the technical details)

Thanks.

... and sorry for hijacking your thread with this long post.

As I said above, your information is important to me!

Regards, Fred

PS:

One more point. After a few search I realised that finally my A7iii is not the great candidate I imagined for a full spectrum conversion because of an internal IR device (used for AF if I'm correct) especially for low light photography (it's the same since the 2nd generation of the A7 and A7R). So, just do your work and find out about your next camera ... before bying in a new system !

A dilemma: new system suitable for IR, or one for action and sports?
(I've made my decision in favour of the latter).

Barry Pearson wrote:

I'm hoping not to have a camera converted. This means that I need a camera with enough IR sensitivity, suitable visible-light elimination-filters, plus a tripod!

The Canon Ra also have a special WB to get almost natural results at daytime in most situations, but probably some shift in flash colors.

I've been trying to discover whether the Canon Ra has more sensitivity across the IR spectrum than other cameras.
(I've asked in the Canon RF Talk forum, without answers that I'm confident with).

It has 4x the sensitivity at Hydrogen-Alpha, 656.28nm, which is at the red end of the visible spectrum.
But is this narrow-pass, with conventional IR filtration thereafter?

I'd guess so : it's a specialised camera for astrophotography focused on the HA band, so narrow to keep it as versatile as possible.

Or does it also have extra broad-pass IR sensitivity compared with other cameras?

If the latter, it may be the "perfect" camera for IR landscape photography.
(At a massive price which I currently can't afford!)

In complement of Kolary or LifePixel websites and the likes, you will find on this site informations from a real user about the versatilty of such a game changer in landscape and IR photography (it would be the same with almost every MILC on the market) : "full spectrum".

http://infraedd.blogspot.com/2014/04/cameras-sony-a7-converted-to-full.html

Thank you!

That is a super resource that I was unaware of.
It'll keep me busy for weeks!

If you're building a system with Canon R/RP/RF* you should also have a look at full spectrum conversions (drawbacks and advantages) : the Canon drop-in filter adapter should be the ideal complement to select your normal/IR wavelengths in the field with the good filter! That's the kind of "K New" I was expecting/dreaming from Pentax a few years ago : filters behind the KAF mount in the body (just one step further than their IR cameras : 645Z, K-1 and KP for institutional buyers only ! What a shame). More cost effective, only replacing normal by full spectrum sensors in small batchs for professionals ... and amateurs.

I had my Pentax K-7 converted.
Not full-spectrum: instead visible-light elimination, maximum IR sensitivity.

You should also have a look at this other site to get a deeper insight about old and new lenses results for IR photography ! And what filters you should use !

https://www.edwardnoble.com/a7

https://www.edwardnoble.com/hotspot-info

https://www.edwardnoble.com/hotspots-explained

I'd rather be confident in his list of good/bad lenses for IR, based on his measured scores in a reproductible way :

https://www.edwardnoble.com/hotspots

Full spectrum add a little more complexity (you need filter front/rear of the lens) but that adds great versatility ! "Hot mirror" filter for "natural" light (as you normal camera), and a few filters for the wavelenghts you intend to use (for false colors or back and white).

Regarding the lenses specificities, you will find lots of lens databases on the net, mostly for IR photography (to take with a grain of salt because the results should be slightly different for example at 720nm / 850nm / etc.). Simplified : the older the better for an homogenous response in all wavelenghts. Lots of old Canon EF/TSE should be good. I think that most new lenses are too optimised for visual light and lack something/mood (can't find a word). UV photography is another world: I guess MightyMike will have better advices on compatible lenses and precautious processes needed (I just had a look at a few books and articles yet)

Yes, I'm getting messages that suitable lenses are more important than I had realised.

A dilemma: new system suitable for IR, or one for action and sports?
(I've made my decision in favour of the latter).

If I'm right, choosing a system for action & sports is not totally incompatible with IR photography if you choose the FS way. Change the rear filter and you're done (*) ! At least, it seems so to me.

Best regards, Fred

PS:

(*) and swap your modern zooms with an old classical fixed focal lens !

Skip py wrote:

I've realised that I have a lot to learn about top-end IR photography!

So I've just bought the "CLiR Infrared Mastery" course (via their temporary offer):
https://f64elite.com/ir-mastery/?elite-mem=11#BuyCLiR

It comprises not just tutorials, but also presets for Lightroom Classic and plugins for Photoshop CC to make manipulation easier.

(I subscribe to the full Adobe CC suite).

Barry Pearson wrote:

I'm hoping not to have a camera converted. This means that I need a camera with enough IR sensitivity, suitable visible-light elimination-filters, plus a tripod!

The Canon Ra also have a special WB to get almost natural results at daytime in most situations, but probably some shift in flash colors.

I've been trying to discover whether the Canon Ra has more sensitivity across the IR spectrum than other cameras.
(I've asked in the Canon RF Talk forum, without answers that I'm confident with).

It has 4x the sensitivity at Hydrogen-Alpha, 656.28nm, which is at the red end of the visible spectrum.
But is this narrow-pass, with conventional IR filtration thereafter?

I'd guess so : it's a specialised camera for astrophotography focused on the HA band, so narrow to keep it as versatile as possible.

Pity! I'm not interested in the Hydrogen-Alpha band. (Yet?)

Or does it also have extra broad-pass IR sensitivity compared with other cameras?

If the latter, it may be the "perfect" camera for IR landscape photography.
(At a massive price which I currently can't afford!)

In complement of Kolary or LifePixel websites and the likes, you will find on this site informations from a real user about the versatilty of such a game changer in landscape and IR photography (it would be the same with almost every MILC on the market) : "full spectrum".

http://infraedd.blogspot.com/2014/04/cameras-sony-a7-converted-to-full.html

Thank you!

That is a super resource that I was unaware of.
It'll keep me busy for weeks!

If you're building a system with Canon R/RP/RF* you should also have a look at full spectrum conversions (drawbacks and advantages) : the Canon drop-in filter adapter should be the ideal complement to select your normal/IR wavelengths in the field with the good filter! That's the kind of "K New" I was expecting/dreaming from Pentax a few years ago : filters behind the KAF mount in the body (just one step further than their IR cameras : 645Z, K-1 and KP for institutional buyers only ! What a shame). More cost effective, only replacing normal by full spectrum sensors in small batchs for professionals ... and amateurs.

I had my Pentax K-7 converted.
Not full-spectrum: instead visible-light elimination, maximum IR sensitivity.

You should also have a look at this other site to get a deeper insight about old and new lenses results for IR photography ! And what filters you should use !

https://www.edwardnoble.com/a7

https://www.edwardnoble.com/hotspot-info

https://www.edwardnoble.com/hotspots-explained

I'd rather be confident in his list of good/bad lenses for IR, based on his measured scores in a reproductible way :

https://www.edwardnoble.com/hotspots

Thanks!
I've added those articles to my (relentlessly growing) reading list.

I accept that I've probably made some mistakes in my recent IR-filter purchases!
I'll have to do the best I can until I have more personal experience of their limitations.

I now have a Hoya R72 filter and a Kolari Vision K665 filter large enough to use on all my current and pre-ordered lenses. I think I can get a long way with those.

Full spectrum add a little more complexity (you need filter front/rear of the lens) but that adds great versatility ! "Hot mirror" filter for "natural" light (as you normal camera), and a few filters for the wavelenghts you intend to use (for false colors or back and white).

Regarding the lenses specificities, you will find lots of lens databases on the net, mostly for IR photography (to take with a grain of salt because the results should be slightly different for example at 720nm / 850nm / etc.). Simplified : the older the better for an homogenous response in all wavelenghts. Lots of old Canon EF/TSE should be good. I think that most new lenses are too optimised for visual light and lack something/mood (can't find a word). UV photography is another world: I guess MightyMike will have better advices on compatible lenses and precautious processes needed (I just had a look at a few books and articles yet)

Yes, I'm getting messages that suitable lenses are more important than I had realised.

A dilemma: new system suitable for IR, or one for action and sports?
(I've made my decision in favour of the latter).

If I'm right, choosing a system for action & sports is not totally incompatible with IR photography if you choose the FS way. Change the rear filter and you're done (*) ! At least, it seems so to me.

Best regards, Fred

PS:

(*) and swap your modern zooms with an old classical fixed focal lens !

Dilemma:
Do I rob a bank or sell a female relative into slavery?
Or simply do a smash-n-grab raid on a camera store?