I shoot both Full Frame and DX Crop sensor, .... not sure why🤷🏻‍♂️

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Tord S Eriksson
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Re: I shoot both Full Frame and DX Crop sensor, .... not sure why🤷🏻‍♂️

dccberry wrote:

Tord S Eriksson wrote:

dccberry wrote:

I'm using my D850 for studio work and art duplication, and Fuji X-T3 for most work outside the studio, including portraits and editorial jobs. After using the Nikon gear for everything over the years, it now feels pretty cumbersome compared to the Fuji (or any other good small-sensor camera I'm betting ). I'm now spoiled by having autofocus points cover the whole viewing area with the Fuji, so it clearly has the advantage for candid and editorial work. In the studio, the optical viewfinder on the D850 is better than an EVF in low light, and when printing really large (36 x 48" ) for clients, the full frame camera has the edge there. I'm not cheerleading for Fuji per se, just noting that both formats can be used effectively, and at this point, one is not inherently better than the other.

Interesting!

I would also suggest that the X-T3 is a great low-light camera, despite your theory that small sensors are not as good as full-frame for that use. I have done lots of stage work with a Nikon D4 and 70-210 f/2.8, and also with the X-T3 and 50-140 f/2.8, and the rate of keepers is much higher with the Fuji. Noise at ISO 3200 is not a problem with the Fuji, and the focus accuracy is better, since there is no fine-tuning of lenses needed with mirrorless cameras.

One size up or down is easily compensated by using a more modern sensor with a higher photosite pitch, so Fuji's latest cameras are naturally as good, or better than a slightly older FX.

With smaller I refer to 1", or MFT, not DX. I use 1" on sunny days, or where I can install hefty lighting, or it will be a constant struggle with ISO contra noise. 
I haven't used MF for about 40 years, but the images I took then with Rollieflex, and Hasselblads, were eons better than those I took with my own West-Berlin-made FX, using the same Tri-X film, and using the same settings. And the lenses were good on them all, my FX having some delightful Pentax SMC lenses, and some classic Telemegor lenses that are in production again.

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toomanycanons Forum Pro • Posts: 13,405
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dccberry wrote:

Tord S Eriksson wrote:

dccberry wrote:

I'm using my D850 for studio work and art duplication, and Fuji X-T3 for most work outside the studio, including portraits and editorial jobs. After using the Nikon gear for everything over the years, it now feels pretty cumbersome compared to the Fuji (or any other good small-sensor camera I'm betting ). I'm now spoiled by having autofocus points cover the whole viewing area with the Fuji, so it clearly has the advantage for candid and editorial work. In the studio, the optical viewfinder on the D850 is better than an EVF in low light, and when printing really large (36 x 48" ) for clients, the full frame camera has the edge there. I'm not cheerleading for Fuji per se, just noting that both formats can be used effectively, and at this point, one is not inherently better than the other.

Interesting!

I would also suggest that the X-T3 is a great low-light camera, despite your theory that small sensors are not as good as full-frame for that use. I have done lots of stage work with a Nikon D4 and 70-210 f/2.8, and also with the X-T3 and 50-140 f/2.8, and the rate of keepers is much higher with the Fuji. Noise at ISO 3200 is not a problem with the Fuji, and the focus accuracy is better, since there is no fine-tuning of lenses needed with mirrorless cameras.

We've come a long way since the days of if you wanted great low light performance the obvious choice was full frame.  Modern DX cameras, like my D7500, compete very well against my full frame cameras.  I know, I've done a ton of test comparisons and am blown away by how competitive the D7500 is.

Chips Pringle
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Re: I shoot both Full Frame and DX Crop sensor, .... not sure why🤷🏻‍♂️

But if you could only have and use one camera system what would it be?

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toomanycanons Forum Pro • Posts: 13,405
Re: I shoot both Full Frame and DX Crop sensor, .... not sure why🤷🏻‍♂️

Chips Pringle wrote:

But if you could only have and use one camera system what would it be?

I know you directed that question to Tord but for me I have no choice, basically. I have to shoot full frame for some clients and I prefer to shoot DX for real estate and snapshots. There will never be a point where I have to choose only one or the other.

I will add that, since I'm not a prime shooter, I prefer the cheaper/lighter/just as good selection of short zooms and telephoto lenses for DX.

Tord S Eriksson
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Re: I shoot both Full Frame and DX Crop sensor, .... not sure why🤷🏻‍♂️

toomanycanons wrote:

dccberry wrote:

Tord S Eriksson wrote:

dccberry wrote:

I'm using my D850 for studio work and art duplication, and Fuji X-T3 for most work outside the studio, including portraits and editorial jobs. After using the Nikon gear for everything over the years, it now feels pretty cumbersome compared to the Fuji (or any other good small-sensor camera I'm betting ). I'm now spoiled by having autofocus points cover the whole viewing area with the Fuji, so it clearly has the advantage for candid and editorial work. In the studio, the optical viewfinder on the D850 is better than an EVF in low light, and when printing really large (36 x 48" ) for clients, the full frame camera has the edge there. I'm not cheerleading for Fuji per se, just noting that both formats can be used effectively, and at this point, one is not inherently better than the other.

Interesting!

I would also suggest that the X-T3 is a great low-light camera, despite your theory that small sensors are not as good as full-frame for that use. I have done lots of stage work with a Nikon D4 and 70-210 f/2.8, and also with the X-T3 and 50-140 f/2.8, and the rate of keepers is much higher with the Fuji. Noise at ISO 3200 is not a problem with the Fuji, and the focus accuracy is better, since there is no fine-tuning of lenses needed with mirrorless cameras.

We've come a long way since the days of if you wanted great low light performance the obvious choice was full frame. Modern DX cameras, like my D7500, compete very well against my full frame cameras. I know, I've done a ton of test comparisons and am blown away by how competitive the D7500 is.

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JohnnyLuddite Senior Member • Posts: 1,421
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Chips Pringle wrote:

But if you could only have and use one camera system what would it be?

Not to me, but it would still be MFT. That's only because the aps-c vendors are charging silly money for IBIS (now standard on both MFT and FF), and a lot of money for their lenses which don't even get to equivalent aperture in some cases.

Put another way, I wanted to maximise the gap between the 1" camera (truly pocket-able and hike-able), and the "proper" camera. Fx made a huge amount of sense for cash-strapped me, because the D750 and judicious & used Fx lens choices are substantially less money than some of the aps-c offerings.

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Tord S Eriksson
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Chips Pringle wrote:

But if you could only have and use one camera system what would it be?

As the lenses in the Nikon 1 system are failure-prone, I'd say I would choose MFT, as there are a lot of nice lenses to choose from.
An E-M5 III, and a G9, plus a PL 100-400 and a couple of primes, including the 300 and the lovely Olympus 60 macro. Plus the Panasonic 35-100, another lovely lens.

I found the distance between 1" and FX ideal, but for BIF is DX pretty perfect.

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Chips Pringle
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I’ve never had a Nikon lens failure. I’ve have over 30 lenses in the past 11 years.

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Raticus
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Re: I shoot both Full Frame and DX Crop sensor, .... not sure why🤷🏻‍♂️

Chips Pringle wrote:

But if you could only have and use one camera system what would it be?

Nikon F-Mount.  I consider DX and FX part of the same system.  In my case I use DX for Zooms and FX for primes.  Works nicely, for me.

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Tord S Eriksson
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Re: I shoot both Full Frame and DX Crop sensor, .... not sure why🤷🏻‍♂️

Raticus wrote:

Chips Pringle wrote:

But if you could only have and use one camera system what would it be?

Nikon F-Mount. I consider DX and FX part of the same system. In my case I use DX for Zooms and FX for primes. Works nicely, for me.

That's how I do it, too, but I use my Nikon 1 cameras instead of TCs. Very rarely use my DX with zooms, but I have a couple of AF-P kit lenses, that work as well with DX as Nikon 1.

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