D800/D810 or D850 - help me make a call?

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crashwins Contributing Member • Posts: 960
D800/D810 or D850 - help me make a call?
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I enjoy mirrorless and have a Sony, but after selling my D850 body I instantly regretted it There are times when I would much prefer the Nikon body, like in the studio, or when the weather is iffy.

My Sony rig is an R4 and unfortunately -- for my wallet -- it's the only body I actually think is up to snuff among the Sonys. But for Nikon they've been making great bodies for years!

I do lifestyle, slowed-down portraits, studio stuff. No sports, nothing too fast.

So my calculus is around the higher-mp FX bodies. I've had the D810 and enjoyed it, but never the D800. Of course, these bodies are selling for pretty cheap now while the D850 is really holding its value. I can't afford the Sony and D850.

If I'm happy with relatively few focal points, I don't think I need the D850 when my MP bumpage is only like 10 MPs anyway...

I use ART glass (the 35 and 50 and a 28 1.8G lens). What are the differences between the D810 and D800 for my uses? I would expect similar IQ and experience...Any reason to definitely get the D810? Thanks!

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Timotis77 Contributing Member • Posts: 520
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I moved from D810 to D850 - I still wish I had my D810 to be honest -

I like the D850 but feel (and have said it a few times) I find the ISO performance on the D810 better between 400-1000

I bough the D850 for wifi and touch screen, but barely use either. Also the extra resolution you barely notice or can see

Both are great in their own right, but if i was buying now and knew what I do now - I'd get D810 and save a few bucks

KayL Contributing Member • Posts: 548
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Features on the D810 that make a practical everyday difference for me, and are missing on the D800:

  1. properly functioning live view magnification (D800 does fuzzy extrapolation)
  2. highlight priority metering
  3. quieter shutter
  4. More reliable autofocus

I would highly recommend the D810 over a D800.

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OP crashwins Contributing Member • Posts: 960
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Timotis77 wrote:

I moved from D810 to D850 - I still wish I had my D810 to be honest -

I like the D850 but feel (and have said it a few times) I find the ISO performance on the D810 better between 400-1000

I bough the D850 for wifi and touch screen, but barely use either. Also the extra resolution you barely notice or can see

Both are great in their own right, but if i was buying now and knew what I do now - I'd get D810 and save a few bucks

That's interesting...The only thing I hate about the D810 is the cheesy pop-up flash

Do you think a lot of people have a similar experience with the D850 -- wishing they'd stayed with the D810? It's a lot cheaper now! I have to say, many of my D810 images are wonderful -- and somewhat less digital feeling than my D850. I realize that's heavily subjective and might just require a bit more work in post. I use C1 20 Pro.

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The D800e provides IQ on par with the D810. Benefit of the D810 for me was its ability to have a split rear screen which was helpful when using a tilt shift lens.

The D850 provides a mixed blessing with its 45MP sensor that has a pronounced negative impact on workflow but accompanied with the latest generation of autofocus with more cross sensors and a dedicate AF processor.

For static subjects the D800e is as good as the D850 and who really needs 45MP in the studio? I cannot see any studio photography need for even the D800e and something like the D610 is plenty good enough and has dual SD card slots and provides Live View.

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Re: D800/D810 or D850 - help me make a call?

The only reason I replaced my two D800es with D810 is "focus point orientation" and few more fps. Did not help with fps though because it was still too slow so I got D5. Other than that I see no difference in IQ between D800e and D810.

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Kelvin L wrote:

Features on the D810 that make a practical everyday difference for me, and are missing on the D800:

  1. properly functioning live view magnification (D800 does fuzzy extrapolation)
  2. highlight priority metering
  3. quieter shutter
  4. More reliable autofocus

I would highly recommend the D810 over a D800.

I've also found the D810 more comfortable to hold and shoot for long period of times.

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crashwins wrote:

Any reason to definitely get the D810? Thanks!

The D810 is what the D800/800e should have been.  I'd buy one every day over the other two.  My brother, however, does just fine with a D800.

I moved to the D850 only for the better match to my D4s.  Higher fps, faster AF, better buffer.  If you don't need or want that, no need to spend any more than the D810.

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Re: D800/D810 or D850 - help me make a call?

crashwins wrote:

Timotis77 wrote:

I moved from D810 to D850 - I still wish I had my D810 to be honest -

I like the D850 but feel (and have said it a few times) I find the ISO performance on the D810 better between 400-1000

I bough the D850 for wifi and touch screen, but barely use either. Also the extra resolution you barely notice or can see

Both are great in their own right, but if i was buying now and knew what I do now - I'd get D810 and save a few bucks

That's interesting...The only thing I hate about the D810 is the cheesy pop-up flash

Do you think a lot of people have a similar experience with the D850 -- wishing they'd stayed with the D810? It's a lot cheaper now! I have to say, many of my D810 images are wonderful -- and somewhat less digital feeling than my D850. I realize that's heavily subjective and might just require a bit more work in post. I use C1 20 Pro.

Not sure as I am sure for some other just want new things – There’s other improvements on the D850, like AF - for me I cant see a drastic difference to the D810 - but other may....

I agree regarding the flash, I never used it on the D810 (in fact I don’t use any form of flash ever - Natural light for me only thank you)

'I have to say, many of my D810 images are wonderful -- and somewhat less digital feeling than my D850. I realize that's heavily subjective and might just require a bit more work in post. I use C1 20 Pro.'

Agree, its subjective for sure, I use DXO photolab 3 and Nik collection but i found my processing of both the D810 and D850 pretty much the same. The apparent increase of Dynamic Range on the D850 isn’t that prevalent to my eyes - Again its my thoughts only....

Id like another D810 just to put side by side with eh D850 - Hmmmmm

KayL Contributing Member • Posts: 548
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crashwins wrote:

That's interesting...The only thing I hate about the D810 is the cheesy pop-up flash

Your mileage may vary, but I consider the pop-up flash to be an advantage over the D850. It can function as a Commander for the line-of-sight Creative Lighting System flashes (SB800, SB900, SB910 etc) if you are invested in these units. The D850 requires a separate trigger on the hotshoe, or replacing older Speedlights with those using the Nikon Wireless trigger system.

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Re: D800/D810 or D850 - help me make a call?
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Kelvin L wrote:

crashwins wrote:

That's interesting...The only thing I hate about the D810 is the cheesy pop-up flash

Your mileage may vary, but I consider the pop-up flash to be an advantage over the D850. It can function as a Commander for the line-of-sight Creative Lighting System flashes (SB800, SB900, SB910 etc) if you are invested in these units. The D850 requires a separate trigger on the hotshoe, or replacing older Speedlights with those using the Nikon Wireless trigger system.

D810 all the way. It's completely self-contained. Put the fifty 50 or an older 24mm and you're ready for pretty much any shooting situation with a single item to manage.

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I've got all three - D800e, D810 and D850.   I use one for a few years, add the next newer one and relegate the old one to 'second camera'.  In short, I've used them all a lot, in the same sort of ways and can compare.   Except any video, which I rarely do.

The only difference between the D800e and D810 was in the body, mainly shutter.  But those were significant differences, as was the addition of group AF.  Autofocus otherwise the same, resolution the same, dynamic range the same - sensor is the same wrapped in a less-convenient body.   The D800e is slower, and it feels it.   If that sort of shooting is OK, then you can save a fair amount of money on one, I suppose.  I'd still prefer the D810.

You've already had the D850.  If you've not shot a D800/810 before, you may be disappointed.  The autofocus is different from the older models.  Likewise the frame rate.  Overall it's just snappier.

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shuncheung Senior Member • Posts: 1,893
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PHXAZCRAIG wrote:

I've got all three - D800e, D810 and D850...

You've already had the D850. If you've not shot a D800/810 before, you may be disappointed. The autofocus is different from the older models. Likewise the frame rate. Overall it's just snappier.

I never had a D810 but have used a loaner. Otherwise, I still own both a D800e and a D850, among many other Nikon bodies. I tend to agree that once you have owned a D850, it maybe harder to move back to an older D8xx body. The Multi-CAM 20000 AF module on the D850 (and the D5 and D500) is far superior, and I have a bias towards XQD memory cards. I also prefer the current location of the ISO button,  next to the shutter release ....

The OP's original title seemed to suggest that another D850 were an option. If it is at all possible, I would get another D850. Otherwise, if it is just too expensive to own both a Sony A7r4 and a D850, I would opt for a D810. Typically the newer the body, the better it is. The D800/D800e feel slow in these days, although they are still ok cameras. I hope you have some CF cards for them. Otherwise, you can use SD cards only on both the Sony and any one of those Nikon.

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threw the lens Senior Member • Posts: 2,760
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I'd just go the D800e route.

You get the basic AA filter-free image quality you need at the lowest price and can forget about the extra frills for the extra few hundred.

hypercore360 Senior Member • Posts: 1,464
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As you state, that's exactly the reason the pop up flash is there... it does serve a purpose. I wish the 850 had it as well, but it's fine. I am using a SB-300 (tiny little OCF) in a pinch, or something a lot larger.

Your mileage may vary, but I consider the pop-up flash to be an advantage over the D850. It can function as a Commander for the line-of-sight Creative Lighting System flashes (SB800, SB900, SB910 etc) if you are invested in these units. The D850 requires a separate trigger on the hotshoe, or replacing older Speedlights with those using the Nikon Wireless trigger system.

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Kelvin L wrote:

crashwins wrote:

That's interesting...The only thing I hate about the D810 is the cheesy pop-up flash

Your mileage may vary, but I consider the pop-up flash to be an advantage over the D850. It can function as a Commander for the line-of-sight Creative Lighting System flashes (SB800, SB900, SB910 etc) if you are invested in these units. The D850 requires a separate trigger on the hotshoe, or replacing older Speedlights with those using the Nikon Wireless trigger system.

Or not replacing any Speedlights but adding cheap radio triggers from Neewer, Godox etc..... that work much better anyway.

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I've only used a D800E very short term, so can't comment on it with any authority. I did remember that it's not very comfortable in my hand, though. But I bought a D810 shortly after it came out, and was very happy with it for years until GAS kicked in and I got a D850.

I don't think there are substantial IQ differences between the D800 and D810. The D810 may add ISO 64 capabilities, but it's more or less shifting its dynamic range curve to the left (i.e. it actually has on-paper worse DR at higher ISO). For low ISO shooting, this is great. Not that I would say the D810 is anywhere near bad at least up to 6400 ISO. I did not like the output very much at 8000+ ISO, but 12800 is good for emergency use.

With every generation of the 800 series, the high ISO amp glow was reduced, so in practice I believe the D810 output more or less matches the D800/E at higher ISO. Really, you'll be happy with either of them.

The D850 improves on the D810 in almost every way, except for losing the flash. It's more comfortable to hold. AF joystick and touchscreen are huge ergonomic pluses as well. The viewfinder and AF are much better. Live view performance for still life is excellent (terrible on the D800, noticeably last-gen on the D810), although there's no PDAF as you know. The entire camera feels fast and snappy; in isolation, one wouldn't think the D810 is sluggish, but the D850 makes it feel that way.

But is the D850 worth the extra $1000+? Probably not, if the D800/E will make you happy enough.

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I’ve owned both the d800 and the d810. Get the d810, it has a nicer grip, better auto focus, relocated iso control, and more. No brainer .... get the d810👍

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The base ISO of a D800 is 100, the base ISO of a D810 is 64.   It can make a difference if you have a wide dynamic range in your shot.

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Yep, I use the pop up flash to trigger my off camera flashes. Nikons CLS is pretty nice.

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