Nikon 70-200 f/4 for profesional results?

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David Lal Forum Pro • Posts: 12,287
Still ...

Reitsportfotos wrote:

scokill wrote:

I'm sure it's a fine lens, but this isn't a good example. Looks like missed focus. Also an f4 lens would be a deal killer for me on a DX camera.

Focus is where i wanted it...head and shoulder of the horse. But you are right, i should have chosen another one as an example for the lens...

.. it's a fine picture and the girl on the horse looks über-confident: she's not even looking where the horse is going. When I tried that, I fell off - mind you, I did clear the jump and the horse did not clobber me ....

OP Robert 23 Regular Member • Posts: 126
Re: Nikon 70-200 f/4 for profesional results?

Rico, thanks a lot for your inputs!

Reitsportfotos
Reitsportfotos Regular Member • Posts: 206
Re: Still ...

David Lal wrote:

Reitsportfotos wrote:

scokill wrote:

I'm sure it's a fine lens, but this isn't a good example. Looks like missed focus. Also an f4 lens would be a deal killer for me on a DX camera.

Focus is where i wanted it...head and shoulder of the horse. But you are right, i should have chosen another one as an example for the lens...

.. it's a fine picture and the girl on the horse looks über-confident: she's not even looking where the horse is going. When I tried that, I fell off - mind you, I did clear the jump and the horse did not clobber me ....

Thank you!!

She looks for the next jump to take and the best way to this.

Regards,

Achim

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Ricardo00 Contributing Member • Posts: 846
Re: Weight savings negligible on a D800e

whoosh1 wrote:

I am telling this from experience using both f/2.8 (1430g) and the f/4 (~850g) on a D850/D810/D800e (approx 1kg with a battery). Do you really think combined weight camera + lens of 1.85 kg will feel significantly lighter than the combined weight of the f/2.8 combo at 2.43 kg? Of course not.

I am sure you are right that the FL 70-200mm f/2.8E would be superior to the other lenses in this group even though I have never used it. However I am surprised that there hasn't been more pushback on your statement that you feel a difference between 2.43 kg and 1.85 kg is inconsequential. Maybe I am showing my age, but a 1.3 pound difference for me definitely feels significantly lighter (both in my hands and in my camera bag). In fact, I have been following this thread since I was contemplating getting the Nikon 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6E to replace my Nikon 70-200mm f/4 + 1.4TC ( a difference of only 0.8 pounds). Based on your comments and others in this thread on how good the 70-300mm lens is, I did just buy it (just today), and I can say that I definitely feel a difference even with this smaller loss in weight. Maybe this has to do in part how one is photographing? It is not clear if you are using a tripod? In my case, I will be using this new lens on a boat trying to photograph whales where sometimes I have to shoot one handed (while using the other hand to hold on to the rail) or in a kayak. So far I am happy with the speed of focus acquisition and sharpness of the 70-300mm lens and will look forward to trying it out.

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Re: Nikon 70-200 f/4 for profesional results?

JohnnyLuddite wrote:

I'm not sure what your intended use for the lens is, but my feeling is that the f4 lens isn't very good value for money against the 70-200/2.8. Particularly for events, every stop matters because it means that your ISO isn't being over-strained - it's popular with pros for a reason. The weight and size of the 2.8 is what it is for the purpose. I think the f4's expensive for what it is, the Nikon version at any rate.

If you wanted to try an incredible value lens ($100), the old 70-210/4-5.6 AF-D is a great performer. If I needed to do low-light no-flash events, I'd stump up for the 70-200/2.8 and keep it as a lightweight alternative.

For me personally, the Nikon 70-200 f/4 was one of the most disappointing Nikkors I've ever owned/ Maybe I had a bad copy, but I didn't like it's sharpness and color rendition and I really had to fight the VR system every time I used that lens. The 70-200 f/2.8 is on a completely different level, both IQ-wise as mechanically. However, you do pay a price in $ but even more so in size and weight, and I can imagine that makes it a non-option.

I'd have a serious look at the (mentioned earlier) AF-P 70-300 or even the older AF-S 70-300. I owned the latter one and it produced better images than the 70-200 f/4. For a lightweight 'el-cheapo' lens I second the old 70-210 AF-D push-pull zoom. Very good optical quality, it costs next to nothing and is smaller and lighter than any other option. And honestly, I'd try to step over any fear for third party lenses. The Tamron SP 70-300 is a very good lens, too. It was a little sharper wide open than the AF-S Nikkor 70-300, but had a less effective VC system and the AF tended to hunt a bit more. But again: all in all a much nicer lens to work with than the Nikkor 70-200 f/4.

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whoosh1 Senior Member • Posts: 1,965
Re: Weight savings negligible on a D800e

Ricardo00 wrote:

whoosh1 wrote:

I am telling this from experience using both f/2.8 (1430g) and the f/4 (~850g) on a D850/D810/D800e (approx 1kg with a battery). Do you really think combined weight camera + lens of 1.85 kg will feel significantly lighter than the combined weight of the f/2.8 combo at 2.43 kg? Of course not.

I am sure you are right that the FL 70-200mm f/2.8E would be superior to the other lenses in this group even though I have never used it. However I am surprised that there hasn't been more pushback on your statement that you feel a difference between 2.43 kg and 1.85 kg is inconsequential. Maybe I am showing my age, but a 1.3 pound difference for me definitely feels significantly lighter (both in my hands and in my camera bag).

Perhaps you are feeling it to be front heavy while carrying the camera in your hand? How do you carry it? At 1.85 kg the D8x0 + 70-200 f/4 is not lightweight. It is 76% of a 2.43 kg D8x0 + 70-200 f/2.8 - which is pretty significant. My Z50 + 50-250mm f/4.5-6.3 feels lightweight. Heck even my Z7 + FTZ + 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6E AF-P feels more manageable weight - but D8x0 + 70-200mm f/4 never felt lightweight. In my hand I never felt it significantly lighter compared to D8x0 + 70-200 f/2.8. In the bag - absolutely no difference. And I have done these comparisons countless times by carrying how it feels.

In fact, I have been following this thread since I was contemplating getting the Nikon 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6E to replace my Nikon 70-200mm f/4 + 1.4TC ( a difference of only 0.8 pounds). Based on your comments and others in this thread on how good the 70-300mm lens is, I did just buy it (just today), and I can say that I definitely feel a difference even with this smaller loss in weight. Maybe this has to do in part how one is photographing? It is not clear if you are using a tripod?

I rarely use a tripod when out hiking - it will be even heavier. If I carry a tripod and shooting at f/8, might as well use the lighter 70-300. BTW - how heavy it feels also depends on how you carry it. I either use a Black Rapid side strap screwed to the hole of RRS tripod foot of the lens to carry it or just carry it by the tripod foot in the hand. If you are carrying it by the camera it feels heavier.

In my case, I will be using this new lens on a boat trying to photograph whales where sometimes I have to shoot one handed (while using the other hand to hold on to the rail) or in a kayak. So far I am happy with the speed of focus acquisition and sharpness of the 70-300mm lens and will look forward to trying it out.

Yeah - the 70-300mm is a good lens & I feel it does most of what 80-400mm does other than the 301-400mm.

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Rico Tudor Contributing Member • Posts: 796
Re: Nikon 70-200 f/4 for profesional results?

Rico Schiekel wrote:

The f/4 fits very good to the Z system because of the size and weight saving. Even though I almost always carry the FL with me.

I own both, too, but always prefer to use the G given its lower weight, especially on a Z. The E is an awkward load even when steered by a single-digit DSLR. I never have to choose between them for reasons of sharpness, only for light gathering.

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Ricardo00 Contributing Member • Posts: 846
Re: Weight savings negligible on a D800e

whoosh1 wrote:

I rarely use a tripod when out hiking - it will be even heavier. If I carry a tripod and shooting at f/8, might as well use the lighter 70-300. BTW - how heavy it feels also depends on how you carry it. I either use a Black Rapid side strap screwed to the hole of RRS tripod foot of the lens to carry it or just carry it by the tripod foot in the hand. If you are carrying it by the camera it feels heavier.

Yep also almost never use a tripod for hiking (unless sitting on a nest, etc).  And I am also carrying it with a Black Rapid strap that has the Arca rapid release clamp attached to the lens foot (I have the Wimberly foot on my 70-200mm f/4).  I am talking about holding it up, trying to shoot with the added weight on my arm while shooting over long periods of time.  So the lighter 70-300mm feels great!  Will be curious to see how much the Nikon Z 100-400mm will weigh.

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whoosh1 Senior Member • Posts: 1,965
Re: Weight savings negligible on a D800e

Ricardo00 wrote:

whoosh1 wrote:

I rarely use a tripod when out hiking - it will be even heavier. If I carry a tripod and shooting at f/8, might as well use the lighter 70-300. BTW - how heavy it feels also depends on how you carry it. I either use a Black Rapid side strap screwed to the hole of RRS tripod foot of the lens to carry it or just carry it by the tripod foot in the hand. If you are carrying it by the camera it feels heavier.

Yep also almost never use a tripod for hiking (unless sitting on a nest, etc). And I am also carrying it with a Black Rapid strap that has the Arca rapid release clamp attached to the lens foot (I have the Wimberly foot on my 70-200mm f/4). I am talking about holding it up, trying to shoot with the added weight on my arm while shooting over long periods of time. So the lighter 70-300mm feels great!

Yes - I like the lighter 70-300mm on my Z7. Still I will line up to buy a Z 70-200mm f/4 - or even better if they introduced a high quality Z 70-200mm f/4.5-5.6 lens. Nikon had a super lightweight 80-200mm f/4.5-5.6 (https://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/nikon/nikkoresources/AFNikkor/AF-Nikkor80200mm/index2.htm) - which weighed only 330g. If they introduce a similar aperture lens - with higher quality optics (and of course the weight of the AF motor as well as the extra length for Z) - maybe they can get it under 500g.

The 14-30mm f/4 + 24-70mm f/4 + a 70-200mm f/4.5-5.6 would make a great lightweight travel package. Many times during travel - I tend to use the tele photo side a little less and use it apertures like f/8. Also the weight savings could be used to make carrying a lightweight travel tripod or a table top tripod more bearable if I do want to use a tripod.

Will be curious to see how much the Nikon Z 100-400mm will weigh.

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