Nikon 70-200 f/4 for profesional results?

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JohnnyLuddite Senior Member • Posts: 1,298
Re: Nikon 70-200 f/4 for profesional results?

Robert 23 wrote:

I don't do low light events so i don't need the 2,8 but I still need decent quality results from my lenses.
I tried once the 70-210 f/4 and i didn't like the results.I suppose i would have the same experience with its cheaper version.

The 70-210/4-5.6 is a different lens to the f4 version. Who knows whether it'd suit you for other stuff, but I suspect you've settled on the size/aperture you're ok with. You might also consider the fairly recent Tamron 70-210/4 VC, perhaps others can report on that.

For what it's worth, or as a beater lens, the 70-210/4-5.6 isn't shabby, and I like its rendering and transitions:-

70-210/4-5.6 at f4.2 D750 iso 800

In fact, I think the 70-200 type of range tends to be optically very good in a lot of lenses.

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Robert 23 wrote:

I have never used any 70-200 2,8 lens just because of their weight.
Having a look at the new Nikon 70-200 2,8 S for the mirrorless line, i realized that even this lens is almost 1,5 kilo. That means we will never probably see a lightweight 70-200 2,8 lens in the future.
So actually the only option for me is the Nikon 70-200 f/4.(i am not interested in any third party lenses)
My question is:
judging just from its optical quality, would you consider the Nikon 70-200 f/4 a professional lens?

Yes

Does its quality match the optical quality of the other 70-200 2,8 Nikon lenses?

Yes

Except that you will never achieve f2.8, so certain bokeh effects will not be available to you, and neither will the super clean files achieved by (other) professionals under natural light.

I don't consider the extra 500g of an f2.8 a big deal and think it's well worth it.

What surprises me is that some people think the image quality of the 70-200 f4 is beginning to look dated... maybe this is a Canon bias, they think that because their version has "II" on it, it's that much better?

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I think it’s a great lens. Light, sharp and versatile. Whether you can use it professionally depends on what you need to satisfy your professional needs. Do you need f/2.8 either for exposure or depth of field control? If so, no it won’t. Otherwise, yes it will

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Greg23D Forum Member • Posts: 79
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Hi

I’m with you.  I had the 70/300 afp G DX lens and it was an amazingly colourful and fast lens.  The newer afp is E aperture controlled and has more range.  However the lens will extend as you zoom out as opposed to the internally focusing 70/200’s.

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Nikonparrothead Veteran Member • Posts: 5,770
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I replaced an 80-200 2.8 AFS with the 70-200 F4, it was lighter and suited my needs better (I have a 180 2.8 when I need the bokeh at the longish end).

I’ve used it with a TC 14EII for 280mm in a pinch (before I got a 300 F4 AFS VR).

I have no experience with the 70-300s. Buy whichever suits your needs best that’s within your budget. Use it and enjoy.

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Hi

the new 70/300mm E lenses don’t work with telecomverters.

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Ricardo00 Contributing Member • Posts: 842
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Robert:

I have a 70-200mm f/2.8 (the version before the current one) however as I have gotten older the weight was a bit too much. It is interesting that the 70-200mm 2.8 S version is only slightly lighter.

So a few years ago I bought the 70-200mm f/4. To be honest, I don't use this range that much for my wildlife photography. However whenever I have used the f/4, I have been very impressed by its sharpness and speed of focus acquisition (though I haven't used it when there was low light) and it definitely lightens my camera bag! A few examples:

Fossa smelling for nearby females

dancing sifaka

breaching humpback

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I believe it does, or it is plenty close enough.

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Robert 23 wrote:

I have never used any 70-200 2,8 lens just because of their weight.
Having a look at the new Nikon 70-200 2,8 S for the mirrorless line, i realized that even this lens is almost 1,5 kilo. That means we will never probably see a lightweight 70-200 2,8 lens in the future.
So actually the only option for me is the Nikon 70-200 f/4.(i am not interested in any third party lenses)
My question is:
judging just from its optical quality, would you consider the Nikon 70-200 f/4 a professional lens?
Does its quality match the optical quality of the other 70-200 2,8 Nikon lenses?

I'm definitely not a professional but I am a very active amateur. I recently picked up a mint condition 70-200 f/4 and I'm really impressed with it's IQ, even wide open. I'm using it on a D750. I would not call it lightweight - it's taken me a bit of practice to learn how to hold it and deal with the combined weight on the D750.

Here's a handful of recent photos taken with this lens

https://www.flickr.com/photos/klhman/albums/72157714985679166

Ken

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Is this because you buy online? I prefer bricks and mortar for lens purchase location, so I can check out the lens a bit before I head home with it.

I own both the VRII f2.8 and the f4. The f4 is an excellent lens, I use the f4 on the Z6 with an adapter for a compact kit.

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Nikonparrothead Veteran Member • Posts: 5,770
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Good to know, even though I wasn’t planning on buying one. The lenses I’d use with a TC — the 79-200 F4 and 300 F4, work just fine.

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Weight savings negligible on a D800e
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I am telling this from experience using both f/2.8 (1430g) and the f/4 (~850g) on a D850/D810/D800e (approx 1kg with a battery). Do you really think combined weight camera + lens of 1.85 kg will feel significantly lighter than the combined weight of the f/2.8 combo at 2.43 kg? Of course not. On a Nikon Z - a future 70-200 f/4 S will make sense as the camera itself is lighter.

BTW I have had 70-200 f/2.8 VR II, 70-200 f/2.8E FL VR, 70-200mm f/4 at the same time together when the FL lens came out and have done on tripod based unscientific tests for them. The 2.8E FL VR was superior to both the f/2.8 VR II and the f/4 - so I sold both of them and kept the f/2.8E FL VR. There were tons of comparison pics - so I did not upload them.

The other suggestion that you got (AF-P 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6E VR) is a good one too. I also had the AF-S 80-400mm f/4.5-5.6G at the same time when I did those tests with the 70-200 f/4 VR. The pics were somewhat comparable between the three - 70-300 AF-P, 70-200 f4 & AF-S 80-400 - slight edge to 70-200 f/4 but nothing to write home about. So in effect I sold the 70-200 f/2.8 VR II + 70-200 f/4 VR + 80-400mm AF-S for the combo of 70-300 AF-P and 70-200 f/2.8E FL VR - and feel it ticks all the marks.

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Robert 23 wrote:

Does it work properly with your D800? I have a D800e.

Although I use the 70-300 f4-5.6 Tamron version.  It is a fabulous lens.  You should not shy away from third party lenses, some are outstanding.  Just do the research, read the reviews and make your own conclusions.

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romfordbluenose wrote:

Robert 23 wrote:

Great shot!!! Thanks a lot...
Tbh I am afraid of a bad copy of this lens..what do you think about?

I've never sent a lens back due to it being a bad copy. So maybe I've been lucky over the past 40 years.

Same here.  I have never had a "bad" lens from either Nikon or Tamron.  But I have had some atrociously bad lenses from Sigma.

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Robert 23 wrote:

Οκ i see.
Personally i sent 3 times back the 24-120 f/4 and after that, i came to the conclusion:
The cheapest the lens the bigger the risk of a bad copy.
I might be wrong but that's my experience so far..

Yet my 24-120 f4 is tack sharp.  I bought it as a white box item (lens pulled from a kit bundle), which I got new for about half the regular retail price.  I use it all the time on my D800E.

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Re: Weight savings negligible on a D800e

Very informative! Thanks a lot!

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Robert 23 wrote:

I have never used any 70-200 2,8 lens just because of their weight.
Having a look at the new Nikon 70-200 2,8 S for the mirrorless line, i realized that even this lens is almost 1,5 kilo. That means we will never probably see a lightweight 70-200 2,8 lens in the future.
So actually the only option for me is the Nikon 70-200 f/4.(i am not interested in any third party lenses)
My question is:
judging just from its optical quality, would you consider the Nikon 70-200 f/4 a professional lens?
Does its quality match the optical quality of the other 70-200 2,8 Nikon lenses?

I own both, the 70-200 f/4 and the 70-200 f/2.8 FL. Both are great performers producing high quality and very professional results in the right hands. Both are very neat for portraiture work, nature stuff and landscapes.

Of course the IQ of the f/2.8 FL is better (it's one if not the best 70-200 f/2.8 on this planet), but it's also more expensive, bigger and heavier.

The f/4 fits very good to the Z system because of the size and weight saving. Even though I almost always carry the FL with me.

If the f/4 aperture is good enough for your shooting style / your requirements / the amount of money you can/want to spend, then go for it. It's a very very good lens.

I personally do not like variable aperture zooms, but I think the newest models of the 70-300 are also very nice and even cheaper. Could be an option to look into.

HTH,
Rico

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I like it.

In contrast to whoosh1, the lighter weight helps me a lot to shoot 12 hours a day.


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Reitsportfotos wrote:

I like it.

In contrast to whoosh1, the lighter weight helps me a lot to shoot 12 hours a day.

I'm sure it's a fine lens, but this isn't a good example.  Looks like missed focus.   Also an f4 lens would be a deal killer for me on a DX camera.

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scokill wrote:

I'm sure it's a fine lens, but this isn't a good example. Looks like missed focus. Also an f4 lens would be a deal killer for me on a DX camera.

Focus is where i wanted it...head and shoulder of the horse. But you are right, i should have chosen another one as an example for the lens...

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