M43 cameras are just too small so I am jumping ship...

FourthHorse wrote:

... from my Oly em5 mkii to a Pana g9.

Sorry, couldn't resist. Ship jumpers and hand wringers took a toll on my patience lately.

Yet I really bought a g9, cheaper that my wife's paid in 2012 or so for her GX7... go figure!

BTW, if you live in Canada you'll find out that the body alone is priced most places at CAN$1495. This does not reflect the price of US$995. If you look around a bit though you should find the right price which is CAN1349$ in canadian currency.

To finish: I love that camera already to a surprising degree.

Debating the G95 or G9 as an upgrade from my G85. That G9 looks VERY tempting.

Max Iso wrote:

Albert Valentino wrote:

Good choice. I prefer bodies with a nice grip and buttons that have enough space to work. Despite what people think about the camera size matching sensor size. I always felt that camera size should match hand size to have a comfortable hold. Plus, bigger lenses really feel better with bigger bodies

There's actually an argument to be made that larger sensor bodies are too small, just look at the overheating issues in the top tier bunch. Bigger sensor, higher rez video which is a big selling point in ML, too much heat and too little space. I think MFT's bigger bodies are at just the perfect ratio of sensor to body size.

Heat dissipation is indeed A factor to consider when using high res video. Grip size is a factor when planning to use big glass. I shoot stills so the former is not a concern. So as always, it comes down to picking the right tool for the job - plus the right combo that makes the job fun. m43 is the fun system for me, mostly for its extreme versatility to do the things I love.

Albert Valentino wrote:

Max Iso wrote:

Albert Valentino wrote:

Good choice. I prefer bodies with a nice grip and buttons that have enough space to work. Despite what people think about the camera size matching sensor size. I always felt that camera size should match hand size to have a comfortable hold. Plus, bigger lenses really feel better with bigger bodies

There's actually an argument to be made that larger sensor bodies are too small, just look at the overheating issues in the top tier bunch. Bigger sensor, higher rez video which is a big selling point in ML, too much heat and too little space. I think MFT's bigger bodies are at just the perfect ratio of sensor to body size.

Heat dissipation is indeed A factor to consider when using high res video. Grip size is a factor when planning to use big glass. I shoot stills so the former is not a concern. So as always, it comes down to picking the right tool for the job - plus the right combo that makes the job fun. m43 is the fun system for me, mostly for its extreme versatility to do the things I love.

Versatility is a good word. I was recently planning a camera purchase, and quite frankly, im tired of that process (owned like 22 different bodies over 9 years, from 6 systems). It's fun to try new things and test it all but i kinda want to find a long term home and keep the wife of my back.

For a couple months i'd been looking at 3 options, M6II upgrade from an M50 i still have (used with EF glass), an XT30, and an EM1-II. Money costs aside, the Fuji had some strengths, biggest sensor, nice colors, good AF, good E shutter burst modes. The Canon had 2nd biggest sensor, really good AF with amazing eye tracking, best lens selection with my EF adapter. But neither have IBIS, the Canon has to use the hotshoe for an EVF, and Fuji glass is slim pickens in the budget class like i usually buy.

The EM1 had the best grip, most buttons and dials, only of the 3 with IBIS, and has the smallest lenses (and many budget options) which is good for my camera bag (the Oly 45 is TINY!). In the end the Olympus may not have had the DOF control of the other two, not quite the color of the Fuji, nor the AF of the Canon, but it has no real weak points. It can't perform UNBELIEVABLY in any one place but is DARNED GOOD in every area, to me that was the best option.

Max Iso wrote:

Albert Valentino wrote:

Max Iso wrote:

Albert Valentino wrote:

Good choice. I prefer bodies with a nice grip and buttons that have enough space to work. Despite what people think about the camera size matching sensor size. I always felt that camera size should match hand size to have a comfortable hold. Plus, bigger lenses really feel better with bigger bodies

There's actually an argument to be made that larger sensor bodies are too small, just look at the overheating issues in the top tier bunch. Bigger sensor, higher rez video which is a big selling point in ML, too much heat and too little space. I think MFT's bigger bodies are at just the perfect ratio of sensor to body size.

Heat dissipation is indeed A factor to consider when using high res video. Grip size is a factor when planning to use big glass. I shoot stills so the former is not a concern. So as always, it comes down to picking the right tool for the job - plus the right combo that makes the job fun. m43 is the fun system for me, mostly for its extreme versatility to do the things I love.

Versatility is a good word. I was recently planning a camera purchase, and quite frankly, im tired of that process (owned like 22 different bodies over 9 years, from 6 systems). It's fun to try new things and test it all but i kinda want to find a long term home and keep the wife of my back.

For a couple months i'd been looking at 3 options, M6II upgrade from an M50 i still have (used with EF glass), an XT30, and an EM1-II. Money costs aside, the Fuji had some strengths, biggest sensor, nice colors, good AF, good E shutter burst modes. The Canon had 2nd biggest sensor, really good AF with amazing eye tracking, best lens selection with my EF adapter. But neither have IBIS, the Canon has to use the hotshoe for an EVF, and Fuji glass is slim pickens in the budget class like i usually buy.

The EM1 had the best grip, most buttons and dials, only of the 3 with IBIS, and has the smallest lenses (and many budget options) which is good for my camera bag (the Oly 45 is TINY!). In the end the Olympus may not have had the DOF control of the other two, not quite the color of the Fuji, nor the AF of the Canon, but it has no real weak points. It can't perform UNBELIEVABLY in any one place but is DARNED GOOD in every area, to me that was the best option.

Always consider both the virtues of both camera and lenses as a combo. I moved from fuji to Olympus in 2016, mostly for the close focus ability of their lenses. All my fuji lenses at the time were absolutely horrible for close focus (but excellent for other things). At the time I purchased a 90mm legacy macro to do my close focus work but I could not do that hand held since no body IBIS. An EM1 immediately solved that problem, as did my Oly 60mm macro and other pro lenses. So it was not just the camera that got me to switch. Close focus was a factor. Also, my Fuji lenses wide/normal only went out to 18mm (14mm m43) which was always just short of being wide enough. 16mm on APS or 12mm on m43 Is a sweet spot. So the Oly 12-40 was wider and focused much closer than my Fuji 18-55, and did 0.3x mag. Since I do not shoot at high ISO or poor light, and tend to want more DOF, the Olympus combo was just so perfect with no IQ issues. In camera focus stacking with my 60mm macro is just a blessing.

So m43 is perfect for me. I often think of m43 as the swiss army knife of system. It does everything ‘I want well”. If course if I needed very shallow DOF, 4k video, or ISO 12,000, I would need a different tool

Very true. I could have got IS in the other two systems but only with select lenses and not fast ones, and not at the level im getting in MFT. Reach is another benefit, MFT has an ETC-like feature in most bodies, like on my EM1 my 150mm lens gets me up to a 720mm FOV in LOG C-4k video, with amazing IBIS.

The versatility in video is something i was very surprised at with my new EM1.2, im quite happy with it.

FourthHorse wrote:

... from my Oly em5 mkii to a Pana g9.

Sorry, couldn't resist. Ship jumpers and hand wringers took a toll on my patience lately.

Those must be some big hands you're wringing...the E-M5 III is almost too big for me.

FourthHorse wrote:

... from my Oly em5 mkii to a Pana g9.

Sorry, couldn't resist. Ship jumpers and hand wringers took a toll on my patience lately.

Yet I really bought a g9, cheaper that my wife's paid in 2012 or so for her GX7... go figure!

BTW, if you live in Canada you'll find out that the body alone is priced most places at CAN$1495. This does not reflect the price of US$995. If you look around a bit though you should find the right price which is CAN1349$ in canadian currency.

To finish: I love that camera already to a surprising degree.

You can’t jump,ship that you are not on.

JDLaing50 wrote:

FourthHorse wrote:

... from my Oly em5 mkii to a Pana g9.

Sorry, couldn't resist. Ship jumpers and hand wringers took a toll on my patience lately.

Yet I really bought a g9, cheaper that my wife's paid in 2012 or so for her GX7... go figure!

BTW, if you live in Canada you'll find out that the body alone is priced most places at CAN$1495. This does not reflect the price of US$995. If you look around a bit though you should find the right price which is CAN1349$ in canadian currency.

To finish: I love that camera already to a surprising degree.

You can’t jump,ship that you are not on.

?

It was tongue in cheek... Just so you know I have both.

n3eg wrote:

FourthHorse wrote:

... from my Oly em5 mkii to a Pana g9.

Sorry, couldn't resist. Ship jumpers and hand wringers took a toll on my patience lately.

Those must be some big hands you're wringing...the E-M5 III is almost too big for me.

10 inches span (25,4 cm). Rachmaninov was 12 inches.

Fourth Horse
Erri De Luca said that humans live as long as three horses and then goes on displaying his wisdom. I'm well past both.

WT21 wrote:

FourthHorse wrote:

... from my Oly em5 mkii to a Pana g9.

Sorry, couldn't resist. Ship jumpers and hand wringers took a toll on my patience lately.

Yet I really bought a g9, cheaper that my wife's paid in 2012 or so for her GX7... go figure!

BTW, if you live in Canada you'll find out that the body alone is priced most places at CAN$1495. This does not reflect the price of US$995. If you look around a bit though you should find the right price which is CAN1349$ in canadian currency.

To finish: I love that camera already to a surprising degree.

Debating the G95 or G9 as an upgrade from my G85. That G9 looks VERY tempting.

Well, it is hard to go wrong with either wouldn't you say? And the G9 is as cheap as it will ever get I guess. It is weighty though at 960 grams gripped and with battery, 1250 grams with the 14-140 on its face. This is nearly 100 grams heavier that the E-M1X but 300 grams less than a gripped Nikon 810D.

FourthHorse wrote:

WT21 wrote:

FourthHorse wrote:

... from my Oly em5 mkii to a Pana g9.

Sorry, couldn't resist. Ship jumpers and hand wringers took a toll on my patience lately.

Yet I really bought a g9, cheaper that my wife's paid in 2012 or so for her GX7... go figure!

BTW, if you live in Canada you'll find out that the body alone is priced most places at CAN$1495. This does not reflect the price of US$995. If you look around a bit though you should find the right price which is CAN1349$ in canadian currency.

To finish: I love that camera already to a surprising degree.

Debating the G95 or G9 as an upgrade from my G85. That G9 looks VERY tempting.

Well, it is hard to go wrong with either wouldn't you say? And the G9 is as cheap as it will ever get I guess. It is weighty though at 960 grams gripped and with battery, 1250 grams with the 14-140 on its face. This is nearly 100 grams heavier that the E-M1X but 300 grams less than a gripped Nikon 810D.

I guess one of you Panny users could tell me this, what is the best Panny camera for shooting long series of bursts....is there any that do 8 fps or above until the memory card is full and which one does it the fastest?  Also do any Panny cameras not have a shutter speed limit for the fully electronic shutter?  I want to use it for astro like I do with my Oly cameras and need long exposures of 15 sec or more and need the camera to be able to do that with the fully electronic shutter at any ISO.  Thanks!

D4vith wrote:

My first MFT camera was a GX9.

Quickly I found the handling to be quite uncomfortable due to the small grip. I'm sure I would have dropped it at some point. So I added a grip.

Then I saw the G9 and couldn't resist. I feel like it has the best ergonomics of any camera I've tried. For me the strength of MFT is not necessarily the size of the bodies but of the lenses. I shoot a lot (took more than 30k pics in a year) so it has to be comfortable.

I think a good compromise regarding size is the G80 which feels great in the hand. I didn't like any of the Olympus cameras except for the EM1 mk II.

Buying a small compact camera because it is small and compact and then adding a grip so it handles better just doesn't make any sense to me. It took me all of 45 minutes to find that my original choice of a GX85 was too small - not mentioning the horrible EVF - and that the GX8 felt "just right". I was lucky enough to have been in a period of GX8 promo / sale so I got it for 949$ Cdn + Tx. I might never had done so if I hadn't first tried it on in a store - remember those? -  against the GX85.

WhiteBeard wrote:

D4vith wrote:

My first MFT camera was a GX9.

Quickly I found the handling to be quite uncomfortable due to the small grip. I'm sure I would have dropped it at some point. So I added a grip.

Then I saw the G9 and couldn't resist. I feel like it has the best ergonomics of any camera I've tried. For me the strength of MFT is not necessarily the size of the bodies but of the lenses. I shoot a lot (took more than 30k pics in a year) so it has to be comfortable.

I think a good compromise regarding size is the G80 which feels great in the hand. I didn't like any of the Olympus cameras except for the EM1 mk II.

Buying a small compact camera because it is small and compact and then adding a grip so it handles better just doesn't make any sense to me

When so many people agree on something they're bound to have their reason. For many and myself the E-M5 ii with the 14mm or 20mm from Pana or equivalent is so light that it could be built like a pack of cigarettes and it would not matter. With a large lens like the Oly Pro 40-150mm it is another matter and the grip helps. During winter, while cold the batteries aren't as powerful and so one more in the grip is welcome addition. I could multiply the examples and then multiply them by all the different preferences of everyone.

It took me all of 45 minutes to find that my original choice of a GX85 was too small - not mentioning the horrible EVF - and that the GX8 felt "just right". I was lucky enough to have been in a period of GX8 promo / sale so I got it for 949$ Cdn + Tx. I might never had done so if I hadn't first tried it on in a store - remember those? - against the GX85.

Your experience and opinion matters as it leads to good practice in general. I bought my G9 at Photo Service in Montreal and I agree with you.

OutsideTheMatrix wrote:

FourthHorse wrote:

WT21 wrote:

FourthHorse wrote:

... from my Oly em5 mkii to a Pana g9.

Sorry, couldn't resist. Ship jumpers and hand wringers took a toll on my patience lately.

Yet I really bought a g9, cheaper that my wife's paid in 2012 or so for her GX7... go figure!

BTW, if you live in Canada you'll find out that the body alone is priced most places at CAN$1495. This does not reflect the price of US$995. If you look around a bit though you should find the right price which is CAN1349$ in canadian currency.

To finish: I love that camera already to a surprising degree.

Debating the G95 or G9 as an upgrade from my G85. That G9 looks VERY tempting.

Well, it is hard to go wrong with either wouldn't you say? And the G9 is as cheap as it will ever get I guess. It is weighty though at 960 grams gripped and with battery, 1250 grams with the 14-140 on its face. This is nearly 100 grams heavier that the E-M1X but 300 grams less than a gripped Nikon 810D.

I guess one of you Panny users could tell me this, what is the best Panny camera for shooting long series of bursts....is there any that do 8 fps

The G9 can do that in JPEG fine, not in raw, using a Lexar 1665X UHS-II, rated V60. The best card I've seen were rated at V90. They might do it but it would be tight.

or above until the memory card is full and which one does it the fastest? Also do any Panny cameras not have a shutter speed limit for the fully electronic shutter? I want to use it for astro like I do with my Oly cameras and need long exposures of 15 sec or more and need the camera to be able to do that with the fully electronic shutter at any ISO. Thanks!

The G9 longest exposure with electronic shutter is 1" it seems.

FourthHorse wrote:

OutsideTheMatrix wrote:

FourthHorse wrote:

WT21 wrote:

FourthHorse wrote:

... from my Oly em5 mkii to a Pana g9.

Sorry, couldn't resist. Ship jumpers and hand wringers took a toll on my patience lately.

Yet I really bought a g9, cheaper that my wife's paid in 2012 or so for her GX7... go figure!

BTW, if you live in Canada you'll find out that the body alone is priced most places at CAN$1495. This does not reflect the price of US$995. If you look around a bit though you should find the right price which is CAN1349$ in canadian currency.

To finish: I love that camera already to a surprising degree.

Debating the G95 or G9 as an upgrade from my G85. That G9 looks VERY tempting.

Well, it is hard to go wrong with either wouldn't you say? And the G9 is as cheap as it will ever get I guess. It is weighty though at 960 grams gripped and with battery, 1250 grams with the 14-140 on its face. This is nearly 100 grams heavier that the E-M1X but 300 grams less than a gripped Nikon 810D.

I guess one of you Panny users could tell me this, what is the best Panny camera for shooting long series of bursts....is there any that do 8 fps

The G9 can do that in JPEG fine, not in raw, using a Lexar 1665X UHS-II, rated V60. The best card I've seen were rated at V90. They might do it but it would be tight.

or above until the memory card is full and which one does it the fastest? Also do any Panny cameras not have a shutter speed limit for the fully electronic shutter? I want to use it for astro like I do with my Oly cameras and need long exposures of 15 sec or more and need the camera to be able to do that with the fully electronic shutter at any ISO. Thanks!

The G9 longest exposure with electronic shutter is 1" it seems.

Thanks is 8 fps the peak frame rate on the camera to fill up the memory card or can it go even faster than that?  JPG Fine, is that 20 MP or 16 MP?

OutsideTheMatrix wrote:

FourthHorse wrote:

OutsideTheMatrix wrote:

FourthHorse wrote:

WT21 wrote:

FourthHorse wrote:

... from my Oly em5 mkii to a Pana g9.

Sorry, couldn't resist. Ship jumpers and hand wringers took a toll on my patience lately.

Yet I really bought a g9, cheaper that my wife's paid in 2012 or so for her GX7... go figure!

BTW, if you live in Canada you'll find out that the body alone is priced most places at CAN$1495. This does not reflect the price of US$995. If you look around a bit though you should find the right price which is CAN1349$ in canadian currency.

To finish: I love that camera already to a surprising degree.

Debating the G95 or G9 as an upgrade from my G85. That G9 looks VERY tempting.

Well, it is hard to go wrong with either wouldn't you say? And the G9 is as cheap as it will ever get I guess. It is weighty though at 960 grams gripped and with battery, 1250 grams with the 14-140 on its face. This is nearly 100 grams heavier that the E-M1X but 300 grams less than a gripped Nikon 810D.

I guess one of you Panny users could tell me this, what is the best Panny camera for shooting long series of bursts....is there any that do 8 fps

The G9 can do that in JPEG fine, not in raw, using a Lexar 1665X UHS-II, rated V60. The best card I've seen were rated at V90. They might do it but it would be tight.

or above until the memory card is full and which one does it the fastest? Also do any Panny cameras not have a shutter speed limit for the fully electronic shutter? I want to use it for astro like I do with my Oly cameras and need long exposures of 15 sec or more and need the camera to be able to do that with the fully electronic shutter at any ISO. Thanks!

The G9 longest exposure with electronic shutter is 1" it seems.

Thanks is 8 fps the peak frame rate on the camera to fill up the memory card or can it go even faster than that?

In the specs it is rated at 9 fps for 600 frames.

JPG Fine, is that 20 MP or 16 MP?

20 MP

There is a 6K photo mode that renders to 18 MP. It really is a clip from which one can extract the frames. I don't know what the compression would do to them but I've seen neat examples.

FourthHorse wrote:

OutsideTheMatrix wrote:

FourthHorse wrote:

OutsideTheMatrix wrote:

FourthHorse wrote:

WT21 wrote:

FourthHorse wrote:

... from my Oly em5 mkii to a Pana g9.

Sorry, couldn't resist. Ship jumpers and hand wringers took a toll on my patience lately.

Yet I really bought a g9, cheaper that my wife's paid in 2012 or so for her GX7... go figure!

BTW, if you live in Canada you'll find out that the body alone is priced most places at CAN$1495. This does not reflect the price of US$995. If you look around a bit though you should find the right price which is CAN1349$ in canadian currency.

To finish: I love that camera already to a surprising degree.

Debating the G95 or G9 as an upgrade from my G85. That G9 looks VERY tempting.

Well, it is hard to go wrong with either wouldn't you say? And the G9 is as cheap as it will ever get I guess. It is weighty though at 960 grams gripped and with battery, 1250 grams with the 14-140 on its face. This is nearly 100 grams heavier that the E-M1X but 300 grams less than a gripped Nikon 810D.

I guess one of you Panny users could tell me this, what is the best Panny camera for shooting long series of bursts....is there any that do 8 fps

The G9 can do that in JPEG fine, not in raw, using a Lexar 1665X UHS-II, rated V60. The best card I've seen were rated at V90. They might do it but it would be tight.

or above until the memory card is full and which one does it the fastest? Also do any Panny cameras not have a shutter speed limit for the fully electronic shutter? I want to use it for astro like I do with my Oly cameras and need long exposures of 15 sec or more and need the camera to be able to do that with the fully electronic shutter at any ISO. Thanks!

The G9 longest exposure with electronic shutter is 1" it seems.

Thanks is 8 fps the peak frame rate on the camera to fill up the memory card or can it go even faster than that?

In the specs it is rated at 9 fps for 600 frames.

JPG Fine, is that 20 MP or 16 MP?

20 MP

There is a 6K photo mode that renders to 18 MP. It really is a clip from which one can extract the frames. I don't know what the compression would do to them but I've seen neat examples.

wow so that would be an unlimited 30 fps since it is extracted from video? well, I think all videos are limited to 30 min, but it's close enough to unlimited, since that will fill up my 32 GB card lol.

OutsideTheMatrix wrote:

FourthHorse wrote:

OutsideTheMatrix wrote:

FourthHorse wrote:

OutsideTheMatrix wrote:

FourthHorse wrote:

WT21 wrote:

FourthHorse wrote:

... from my Oly em5 mkii to a Pana g9.

Sorry, couldn't resist. Ship jumpers and hand wringers took a toll on my patience lately.

Yet I really bought a g9, cheaper that my wife's paid in 2012 or so for her GX7... go figure!

BTW, if you live in Canada you'll find out that the body alone is priced most places at CAN$1495. This does not reflect the price of US$995. If you look around a bit though you should find the right price which is CAN1349$ in canadian currency.

To finish: I love that camera already to a surprising degree.

Debating the G95 or G9 as an upgrade from my G85. That G9 looks VERY tempting.

Well, it is hard to go wrong with either wouldn't you say? And the G9 is as cheap as it will ever get I guess. It is weighty though at 960 grams gripped and with battery, 1250 grams with the 14-140 on its face. This is nearly 100 grams heavier that the E-M1X but 300 grams less than a gripped Nikon 810D.

I guess one of you Panny users could tell me this, what is the best Panny camera for shooting long series of bursts....is there any that do 8 fps

The G9 can do that in JPEG fine, not in raw, using a Lexar 1665X UHS-II, rated V60. The best card I've seen were rated at V90. They might do it but it would be tight.

or above until the memory card is full and which one does it the fastest? Also do any Panny cameras not have a shutter speed limit for the fully electronic shutter? I want to use it for astro like I do with my Oly cameras and need long exposures of 15 sec or more and need the camera to be able to do that with the fully electronic shutter at any ISO. Thanks!

The G9 longest exposure with electronic shutter is 1" it seems.

Thanks is 8 fps the peak frame rate on the camera to fill up the memory card or can it go even faster than that?

In the specs it is rated at 9 fps for 600 frames.

JPG Fine, is that 20 MP or 16 MP?

20 MP

There is a 6K photo mode that renders to 18 MP. It really is a clip from which one can extract the frames. I don't know what the compression would do to them but I've seen neat examples.

wow so that would be an unlimited 30 fps since it is extracted from video? well, I think all videos are limited to 30 min, but it's close enough to unlimited, since that will fill up my 32 GB card lol.

I ran an experiment at 12 fps, 20 MP jpeg fine and the depletion of the buffer was very slowly on my V60 card. It is possible, likely even that a V90 card would give you indefinite recording.

FourthHorse wrote:

OutsideTheMatrix wrote:

FourthHorse wrote:

OutsideTheMatrix wrote:

FourthHorse wrote:

OutsideTheMatrix wrote:

FourthHorse wrote:

WT21 wrote:

FourthHorse wrote:

... from my Oly em5 mkii to a Pana g9.

Sorry, couldn't resist. Ship jumpers and hand wringers took a toll on my patience lately.

Yet I really bought a g9, cheaper that my wife's paid in 2012 or so for her GX7... go figure!

BTW, if you live in Canada you'll find out that the body alone is priced most places at CAN$1495. This does not reflect the price of US$995. If you look around a bit though you should find the right price which is CAN1349$ in canadian currency.

To finish: I love that camera already to a surprising degree.

Debating the G95 or G9 as an upgrade from my G85. That G9 looks VERY tempting.

Well, it is hard to go wrong with either wouldn't you say? And the G9 is as cheap as it will ever get I guess. It is weighty though at 960 grams gripped and with battery, 1250 grams with the 14-140 on its face. This is nearly 100 grams heavier that the E-M1X but 300 grams less than a gripped Nikon 810D.

I guess one of you Panny users could tell me this, what is the best Panny camera for shooting long series of bursts....is there any that do 8 fps

The G9 can do that in JPEG fine, not in raw, using a Lexar 1665X UHS-II, rated V60. The best card I've seen were rated at V90. They might do it but it would be tight.

or above until the memory card is full and which one does it the fastest? Also do any Panny cameras not have a shutter speed limit for the fully electronic shutter? I want to use it for astro like I do with my Oly cameras and need long exposures of 15 sec or more and need the camera to be able to do that with the fully electronic shutter at any ISO. Thanks!

The G9 longest exposure with electronic shutter is 1" it seems.

Thanks is 8 fps the peak frame rate on the camera to fill up the memory card or can it go even faster than that?

In the specs it is rated at 9 fps for 600 frames.

JPG Fine, is that 20 MP or 16 MP?

20 MP

There is a 6K photo mode that renders to 18 MP. It really is a clip from which one can extract the frames. I don't know what the compression would do to them but I've seen neat examples.

wow so that would be an unlimited 30 fps since it is extracted from video? well, I think all videos are limited to 30 min, but it's close enough to unlimited, since that will fill up my 32 GB card lol.

I ran an experiment at 12 fps, 20 MP jpeg fine and the depletion of the buffer was very slowly on my V60 card. It is possible, likely even that a V90 card would give you indefinite recording.

wow that might be the fastest camera for shooting long bursts then.  are all new or recent Pannys similar in that regard?

OutsideTheMatrix wrote:

FourthHorse wrote:

OutsideTheMatrix wrote:

FourthHorse wrote:

OutsideTheMatrix wrote:

FourthHorse wrote:

OutsideTheMatrix wrote:

FourthHorse wrote:

WT21 wrote:

FourthHorse wrote:

... from my Oly em5 mkii to a Pana g9.

Sorry, couldn't resist. Ship jumpers and hand wringers took a toll on my patience lately.

Yet I really bought a g9, cheaper that my wife's paid in 2012 or so for her GX7... go figure!

BTW, if you live in Canada you'll find out that the body alone is priced most places at CAN$1495. This does not reflect the price of US$995. If you look around a bit though you should find the right price which is CAN1349$ in canadian currency.

To finish: I love that camera already to a surprising degree.

Debating the G95 or G9 as an upgrade from my G85. That G9 looks VERY tempting.

Well, it is hard to go wrong with either wouldn't you say? And the G9 is as cheap as it will ever get I guess. It is weighty though at 960 grams gripped and with battery, 1250 grams with the 14-140 on its face. This is nearly 100 grams heavier that the E-M1X but 300 grams less than a gripped Nikon 810D.

I guess one of you Panny users could tell me this, what is the best Panny camera for shooting long series of bursts....is there any that do 8 fps

The G9 can do that in JPEG fine, not in raw, using a Lexar 1665X UHS-II, rated V60. The best card I've seen were rated at V90. They might do it but it would be tight.

or above until the memory card is full and which one does it the fastest? Also do any Panny cameras not have a shutter speed limit for the fully electronic shutter? I want to use it for astro like I do with my Oly cameras and need long exposures of 15 sec or more and need the camera to be able to do that with the fully electronic shutter at any ISO. Thanks!

The G9 longest exposure with electronic shutter is 1" it seems.

Thanks is 8 fps the peak frame rate on the camera to fill up the memory card or can it go even faster than that?

In the specs it is rated at 9 fps for 600 frames.

JPG Fine, is that 20 MP or 16 MP?

20 MP

There is a 6K photo mode that renders to 18 MP. It really is a clip from which one can extract the frames. I don't know what the compression would do to them but I've seen neat examples.

wow so that would be an unlimited 30 fps since it is extracted from video? well, I think all videos are limited to 30 min, but it's close enough to unlimited, since that will fill up my 32 GB card lol.

I ran an experiment at 12 fps, 20 MP jpeg fine and the depletion of the buffer was very slowly on my V60 card. It is possible, likely even that a V90 card would give you indefinite recording.

wow that might be the fastest camera for shooting long bursts then. are all new or recent Pannys similar in that regard?

Hum, I cannot with certainty advise you for the other models. The G9 is Panasonic's flagship for the stills. Other model likely offer lesser performances.