Panasonic and those usuriously priced telecons

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unhappymeal Contributing Member • Posts: 698
Panasonic and those usuriously priced telecons

I recently offloaded 90% of my m4/3 gear, but kept a few items for shooting wild life. Partly, this is because the Fuji XF 55-200 and XF 100-400 aren't spectacular and partly because I couldn't find a buyer for the PL 50-200.

Right now, I have an E-M1 II, recently repaired GX8 and Panasonic-Leica 50-200. I'm looking to get a bit more reach for wildlife and birds and I'm in a bit of a conundrum. The Panasonic-Leica 100-400 can be had brand new for $1,600 CAD (+ tax). I have my apprehensions about the lens (quality control, dust ingress, not the sharpest and repairability), but the recently announce Olympus 100-400 is $2,100 CAD.

My other option is going with the Panasonic teleconvertors, but wow are they expensive: $700 CAD a piece for the DMW-TC14 and DMC-TC20--a full $300 and $200 more than the Olympus TCs. I can almost purchase the PL 100-400 at that price.

Let's hear it. If it was your money, what would you do?

Edit: Wild card option: put the PL 50-200 up on ebay and grab a used Olympus 40-150 Pro + EC-14 and EC-20 for $2,000 CAD.

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Wildalaskaken
Wildalaskaken Senior Member • Posts: 1,369
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unhappymeal wrote:

I recently offloaded 90% of my m4/3 gear, but kept a few items for shooting wild life. Partly, this is because the Fuji XF 55-200 and XF 100-400 aren't spectacular and partly because I couldn't find a buyer for the PL 50-200.

Right now, I have an E-M1 II, recently repaired GX8 and Panasonic-Leica 50-200. I'm looking to get a bit more reach for wildlife and birds and I'm in a bit of a conundrum. The Panasonic-Leica 100-400 can be had brand new for $1,600 CAD (+ tax). I have my apprehensions about the lens (quality control, dust ingress, not the sharpest and repairability), but the recently announce Olympus 100-400 is $2,100 CAD.

My other option is going with the Panasonic teleconvertors, but wow are they expensive: $700 CAD a piece for the DMW-TC14 and DMC-TC20--a full $300 and $200 more than the Olympus TCs. I can almost purchase the PL 100-400 at that price.

Let's hear it. If it was your money, what would you do?

Edit: Wild card option: put the PL 50-200 up on ebay and grab a used Olympus 40-150 Pro + EC-14 and EC-20 for $2,000 CAD.

Just buy the 100-400 and be done with it. How much you want for the 50-200? Sell the 50-200 here, if you price it right, it will go in a flsh. Fabulous lens, as is the 100-400.

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OP unhappymeal Contributing Member • Posts: 698
Re: Panasonic and those usuriously priced telecons

Wildalaskaken wrote:

unhappymeal wrote:

I recently offloaded 90% of my m4/3 gear, but kept a few items for shooting wild life. Partly, this is because the Fuji XF 55-200 and XF 100-400 aren't spectacular and partly because I couldn't find a buyer for the PL 50-200.

Right now, I have an E-M1 II, recently repaired GX8 and Panasonic-Leica 50-200. I'm looking to get a bit more reach for wildlife and birds and I'm in a bit of a conundrum. The Panasonic-Leica 100-400 can be had brand new for $1,600 CAD (+ tax). I have my apprehensions about the lens (quality control, dust ingress, not the sharpest and repairability), but the recently announce Olympus 100-400 is $2,100 CAD.

My other option is going with the Panasonic teleconvertors, but wow are they expensive: $700 CAD a piece for the DMW-TC14 and DMC-TC20--a full $300 and $200 more than the Olympus TCs. I can almost purchase the PL 100-400 at that price.

Let's hear it. If it was your money, what would you do?

Edit: Wild card option: put the PL 50-200 up on ebay and grab a used Olympus 40-150 Pro + EC-14 and EC-20 for $2,000 CAD.

Just buy the 100-400 and be done with it. How much you want for the 50-200? Sell the 50-200 here, if you price it right, it will go in a flsh. Fabulous lens, as is the 100-400.

I had the PL 50-200 listed at $1,500 CAD and literally only had one person interested. I agree, it is a fantastic lens.

Eric Nepean
Eric Nepean Veteran Member • Posts: 5,477
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unhappymeal wrote:

I recently offloaded 90% of my m4/3 gear, but kept a few items for shooting wild life. Partly, this is because the Fuji XF 55-200 and XF 100-400 aren't spectacular and partly because I couldn't find a buyer for the PL 50-200.

Right now, I have an E-M1 II, recently repaired GX8 and Panasonic-Leica 50-200. I'm looking to get a bit more reach for wildlife and birds and I'm in a bit of a conundrum. The Panasonic-Leica 100-400 can be had brand new for $1,600 CAD (+ tax).

Where do you find that?

If you can get it for that price, grab one.

I have my apprehensions about the lens (quality control, dust ingress, not the sharpest and repairability), but the recently announce Olympus 100-400 is $2,100 CAD.

My other option is going with the Panasonic teleconvertors, but wow are they expensive: $700 CAD a piece for the DMW-TC14 and DMC-TC20--a full $300 and $200 more than the Olympus TCs. I can almost purchase the PL 100-400 at that price.

The PL50-200 is F4 at 200m, with a 2x TC it is F8 at 400mm, that's fairly dark except in broad daylight.

Let's hear it. If it was your money, what would you do?

Edit: Wild card option: put the PL 50-200 up on ebay and grab a used Olympus 40-150 Pro + EC-14 and EC-20 for $2,000 CAD.

If you sell the PL 50-200, you have no real need for the GX8. Sell it too, and reduce the number of GUIs and menu systems you have by one.

El-cheapo option: Buy a used Four Thirds 50-200 SWD with used 1.4xTC and 2xTC, for use on the E-M1.2. I used mine on the E-M1.1.

I started with the used Four Thirds 50-200 SWD with used 1.4xTC and 2xTC, eventually purchased the Panny 100-400. I might have been better off with the Panasonic 100-300mkII.

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Tim Reidy Productions
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while the teleconverters would make better unhappymeal toys, I would probably lean towards a zoom lens for wildlife.

good luck.

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OP unhappymeal Contributing Member • Posts: 698
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Eric Nepean wrote:

unhappymeal wrote:

I recently offloaded 90% of my m4/3 gear, but kept a few items for shooting wild life. Partly, this is because the Fuji XF 55-200 and XF 100-400 aren't spectacular and partly because I couldn't find a buyer for the PL 50-200.

Right now, I have an E-M1 II, recently repaired GX8 and Panasonic-Leica 50-200. I'm looking to get a bit more reach for wildlife and birds and I'm in a bit of a conundrum. The Panasonic-Leica 100-400 can be had brand new for $1,600 CAD (+ tax).

Where do you find that?

If you can get it for that price, grab one.

I have my apprehensions about the lens (quality control, dust ingress, not the sharpest and repairability), but the recently announce Olympus 100-400 is $2,100 CAD.

My other option is going with the Panasonic teleconvertors, but wow are they expensive: $700 CAD a piece for the DMW-TC14 and DMC-TC20--a full $300 and $200 more than the Olympus TCs. I can almost purchase the PL 100-400 at that price.

The PL50-200 is F4 at 200m, with a 2x TC it is F8 at 400mm, that's fairly dark except in broad daylight.

Let's hear it. If it was your money, what would you do?

Edit: Wild card option: put the PL 50-200 up on ebay and grab a used Olympus 40-150 Pro + EC-14 and EC-20 for $2,000 CAD.

If you sell the PL 50-200, you have no real need for the GX8. Sell it too, and reduce the number of GUIs and menu systems you have by one.

El-cheapo option: Buy a used Four Thirds 50-200 SWD with used 1.4xTC and 2xTC, for use on the E-M1.2. I used mine on the E-M1.1.

I started with the used Four Thirds 50-200 SWD with used 1.4xTC and 2xTC, eventually purchased the Panny 100-400. I might have been better off with the Panasonic 100-300mkII.

Panasonic partner/preferred pricing is $1,600 CAD. I had the 100-300 II before and was less than thrilled with it. I did play with the PL 100-400 in store and the zoom ring seemed to be smooth enough (it's a bit tight as you get near 400 mm). It would seem they have addressed majority of the quality issues, which is nice.

jalywol
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unhappymeal wrote:

I recently offloaded 90% of my m4/3 gear, but kept a few items for shooting wild life. Partly, this is because the Fuji XF 55-200 and XF 100-400 aren't spectacular and partly because I couldn't find a buyer for the PL 50-200.

Right now, I have an E-M1 II, recently repaired GX8 and Panasonic-Leica 50-200. I'm looking to get a bit more reach for wildlife and birds and I'm in a bit of a conundrum. The Panasonic-Leica 100-400 can be had brand new for $1,600 CAD (+ tax). I have my apprehensions about the lens (quality control, dust ingress, not the sharpest and repairability), but the recently announce Olympus 100-400 is $2,100 CAD.

My other option is going with the Panasonic teleconvertors, but wow are they expensive: $700 CAD a piece for the DMW-TC14 and DMC-TC20--a full $300 and $200 more than the Olympus TCs. I can almost purchase the PL 100-400 at that price.

Let's hear it. If it was your money, what would you do?

Edit: Wild card option: put the PL 50-200 up on ebay and grab a used Olympus 40-150 Pro + EC-14 and EC-20 for $2,000 CAD.

Wait til one of the TCs comes up on Ebay.  I just bought the 1.4x TC for $329 (USD) from a seller on the west coast.  It was new, works perfectly.

After having owned the PL 100-400mm and now the PL 50-200mm with both the 1.4x and 2.0x TCs, here's my take:

The PL 100-400mm is going to be a bit faster and a bit sharper out at 400mm than the 50-200mm with the 2.0x TC.  The 50-200mm with the 2.0 TC at f8 has noticeable halation and is not as sharp as the 100-400mm at f6.3.  However, if you stop the 50-200mm with the 2x TC down to f10, it cleans up extremely well.  IF you can live with that slow a lens, then the 2x TC is going to be a relatively economical way to get the kind of distance you are looking for in a nice, small package, without having to spring for the full price of the 100-400mm.

If you get the 1.4x TC, it is sharper wide open than the 2.0x TC, and your maximum aperture will be f 5.6, at 280mm, which is its longest reach (vs 400mm with the 2x TC). IF you can live with 280mm max tele, AND you can find one for $300ish, the 1.4x TC would give you both reach and sharpness, without breaking the bank, and would give you comparable maximum apertures to the PL 100-400mm, for lower light situations.

I like both lenses and I like both TC's with the 50-200.  However, I actually sold my 100-400mm last year to get the funds for some other gear I wanted to work with, not planning to come back to M43 for other than casual shooting.  But, I decided that for long tele, I really missed M43's reach, so this time around, instead of replacing the 100-400mm, I decided to try the PL 50-200 with the 2x TC since Adorama had a package with both for the same price as the PL100-400mm...and I knew I preferred the smaller size of the 50-200 in general, so I thought I'd take a chance with it.

Result?  I have been having an absolute blast with the PL 50-200 and both TCs.  One major advantage?  The minimum focus distance is much shorter with the PL50-200mm and the TCs than the PL 100-400mm, so I don't have to use extension tubes to do flower and butterfly shots, which I would have to on the 100-400mm.

So...my advice?  Keep an eye on Ebay and pick up one of the TCs when someone lists one in your price range.  It will happen, just keep an eye out.  Much cheaper than the 100-400mm...and IQ really is very similar.

-J

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I'd lean towards the 40-150 Pro and MC20, presuming you can live with 300mm on the long end. The Pro zoom is brilliant and performance with the MC20 is good. It's also the only constant-aperture lens among your options, and the fastest @150mm.

Good luck!

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Old Timer63
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I have the 40-150 oly pro and the 1.4 & 2 ext.

The lens on it`s own (on my G9) is the most enjoyable lens I have ever owned in 50 years, it rarely lets me down and with it`s close focus ability it is my go to lens for flowers and bees etc. I don`t print big anymore so can crop and the IQ is (IMHO) second to none. With the 1.4 on the IQ is around the same as my PL100-400 at that focal range and it never seems to suffer that annoying hot day heat haze. With the 2x on the IQ does drop a touch but it is still very usable. I have two bodies and the 40-150 pro is on one all the time and the PL12-60 is on the other.

Out of interest I don`t like the supplied hood on the 40-150, I know from others that it might fall apart and to be honest I purchased a metal screw in hood of about 30mm that stays on all the time and have never had any problems with flare and makes the lens a lot more comfortable to  use plus it looks good.

Good luck with your choice but what ever you choose for the reach you require I honestly think that the 40-150 pro should be in every persons kit because it is that good.

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I'd sell the Fuji gear and get the 300mm F4 and an MC14.

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brentbrent Veteran Member • Posts: 4,725
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unhappymeal wrote:

Edit: Wild card option: put the PL 50-200 up on ebay and grab a used Olympus 40-150 Pro + EC-14 and EC-20 for $2,000 CAD.

Another wild card option:  a few months ago I bought a new, gray market PL 200, which came with the 1.4x teleconverter, for $1,600 USD.  I'm not sure if I'll ever buy the $700 2x teleconverter, though many here say the 200 works quite well with it.  No doubt you prefer having zoom rather than shuffling teleconverters to move between 200mm, 280mm, and 400mm, but the image quality would be good.

An interim step could be to buy the 2x teleconverter to use with your 50-200.  Down the road you could consider selling that lens and buying the 200 with the 1.4x.

Just a thought.

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OP unhappymeal Contributing Member • Posts: 698
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Ruairi wrote:

I'd sell the Fuji gear and get the 300mm F4 and an MC14.

Not going to happen. The Fuji X-Pro 2 + f/1.4 and f/2 WR primes gives me something that is impossible to reproduce on m4/3, even if you step up to the f/1.2 primes (I had the 42.5 mm Noct before...been there, done that).

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brentbrent wrote:

unhappymeal wrote:

Edit: Wild card option: put the PL 50-200 up on ebay and grab a used Olympus 40-150 Pro + EC-14 and EC-20 for $2,000 CAD.

Another wild card option: a few months ago I bought a new, gray market PL 200, which came with the 1.4x teleconverter, for $1,600 USD. I'm not sure if I'll ever buy the $700 2x teleconverter, though many here say the 200 works quite well with it. No doubt you prefer having zoom rather than shuffling teleconverters to move between 200mm, 280mm, and 400mm, but the image quality would be good.

An interim step could be to buy the 2x teleconverter to use with your 50-200. Down the road you could consider selling that lens and buying the 200 with the 1.4x.

Just a thought.

Yeah, one of the things nagging me in the back of my mind is that the PL 200 comes with the TC. It almost feels like throwing away a TC if I buy it separately because there are a grand total of two lenses in the Panasonic line-up that you can use them with.

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Eric:

You've got me thinking now. I have been wondering whether the new Oly 100-400 lens makes senses for me or maybe the Panny 100-400.

I already have my old worn but good oly 50-200 and both teleconverters. I will try these to see if the 100-400 zoom range makes sense for me. I have been using the 150F2 with the 2x TC and it is optically superb and fast but a bit heavy at about two kilos.

so many choices for reach!

CDC

Bobby J Veteran Member • Posts: 5,032
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I agree with you Wild Alaskan.  He should forget the TC's and all the other stuff and just get the 100~400.  At the price he mentioned it's the best deal and If he'll learn how to get the most out of the lens, he'll be glad he got it.

From what I've seen, the new Oly is going to be a good lens, but there's so little difference I would go with the one I could get the best price on.  I've zero complaints with my P/L.

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My money -keep the 50-200 and supplement it with the 100-300 mk II

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Gnine wrote:

My money -keep the 50-200 and supplement it with the 100-300 mk II

I had the 100-300 II and hated it.

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unhappymeal wrote:

It almost feels like throwing away a TC if I buy it separately because there are a grand total of two lenses in the Panasonic line-up that you can use them with.

How many Oly MFT lenses work with their TCs?  I think the 40-150 and the 300, but I don't know which others (if any).  Your E-M1 II would be sweet with the 300 with Sync IS and 1.4 TC, as someone above suggested.  I've shot with that lens and it's fabulous.

I'm going to the zoo this Friday to shoot with the 200 with and without the 1.4 TC.  It might help me decide whether to seriously think about the 2x TC.

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OP unhappymeal Contributing Member • Posts: 698
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brentbrent wrote:

unhappymeal wrote:

It almost feels like throwing away a TC if I buy it separately because there are a grand total of two lenses in the Panasonic line-up that you can use them with.

How many Oly MFT lenses work with their TCs? I think the 40-150 and the 300, but I don't know which others (if any). Your E-M1 II would be sweet with the 300 with Sync IS and 1.4 TC, as someone above suggested. I've shot with that lens and it's fabulous.

I'm going to the zoo this Friday to shoot with the 200 with and without the 1.4 TC. It might help me decide whether to seriously think about the 2x TC.

Only two lenses, but Olympus doesn't bundle it (at least not in Canada). It's why it would feel wasteful for me to buy the Panasonic TC separately if I were to get the 200 f/2.8 afterwards.

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brentbrent wrote:

unhappymeal wrote:

It almost feels like throwing away a TC if I buy it separately because there are a grand total of two lenses in the Panasonic line-up that you can use them with.

How many Oly MFT lenses work with their TCs? I think the 40-150 and the 300, but I don't know which others (if any). Your E-M1 II would be sweet with the 300 with Sync IS and 1.4 TC, as someone above suggested. I've shot with that lens and it's fabulous.

I'm going to the zoo this Friday to shoot with the 200 with and without the 1.4 TC. It might help me decide whether to seriously think about the 2x TC.

The newly announced Olympus 100-400mm works with those TCs too:

https://www.dpreview.com/news/1848101989/olympus-100-400mm-f5-6-3-ii-arrives-in-september-for-1500

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