HiFi-High Fidelity in Photography

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AutoFokus Junior Member • Posts: 26
HiFi-High Fidelity in Photography

High fidelity (often shortened to hi-fi or HiFi) is a term used by listeners, audiophiles and home audio enthusiasts to refer to high-quality reproduction of sound.

(by Wikipedia)

HiFi in Photography: so this would mean in photography that the picture closely resembles reality.

But nowadays almost all pictures are;

- corrected / distorted / altered... and this is far away from reality.

and so, today it is better to master PhotoShop than know how to make good pictures with good knowledge of Photo tehnology.

What do you think ?

phedge Regular Member • Posts: 239
Re: HiFi-High Fidelity in Photography
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As soon as you get a consensus from the high fidelity cognoscenti regarding best "reproduction of sound" then we can start in on photography.

lowerCamelCase Regular Member • Posts: 347
Re: HiFi-High Fidelity in Photography
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AutoFokus wrote:

High fidelity (often shortened to hi-fi or HiFi) is a term used by listeners, audiophiles and home audio enthusiasts to refer to high-quality reproduction of sound.

(by Wikipedia)

HiFi in Photography: so this would mean in photography that the picture closely resembles reality.

But nowadays almost all pictures are;

- corrected / distorted / altered... and this is far away from reality.

and so, today it is better to master PhotoShop than know how to make good pictures with good knowledge of Photo tehnology.

What do you think ?

In HiFi the art is done by those who create the music and the goal is to reproduce this glorious moment.

In photography the art is within the picture, the story it tells, the feeling it creates, not necessarily within the scenery itself that was photographed.

My conclusion is, both topics only share the snakeoil and fact that people buy gear way over their heads, not the nature of the art itself.

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Re: HiFi-High Fidelity in Photography
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AutoFokus wrote:

High fidelity (often shortened to hi-fi or HiFi) is a term used by listeners, audiophiles and home audio enthusiasts to refer to high-quality reproduction of sound.

(by Wikipedia)

HiFi in Photography: so this would mean in photography that the picture closely resembles reality.

Not sure about that.  A 2D media will never resemble 3D reality.  Whereas hifi audio can indeed reproduce a stereophonic audio experience.

But nowadays almost all pictures are;

- corrected / distorted / altered... and this is far away from reality.

The definition of a good photo is not necessarily how closely it resembles "reality".  What about award-winning and notable black and white photos? Photography is a form of communication, just like any other studio art form.

and so, today it is better to master PhotoShop than know how to make good pictures with good knowledge of Photo tehnology.

What do you think ?

kenw
kenw Veteran Member • Posts: 6,000
Re: HiFi-High Fidelity in Photography

AutoFokus wrote:

But nowadays since the start of photography almost all pictures are;

- corrected / distorted / altered... and this is far away from reality.

This is the very nature of photography and always has been.  It is only a question of specific methods and degrees.

and so, today it is better to master PhotoShop than know how to make good pictures with good knowledge of Photo tehnology.

Capture and processing go hand in hand - as they always have.  Rarely do you take a particularly good photo without visualizing what the final image is going to look like.

Over the ages each artist has taken their own approach to this.

Some have stuck to a particular film/JPEG engine and just worked within that framework (Galen Rowell and Velvia a good example).

Some have instead integrated capture to printing from the start whether that is exposing a negative for a particular printing technique they decide on in advance in the field (Ansel Adams).  Some of this can be quite complicated be it advanced Photoshop techniques or complicated dodges/burns in the darkroom including very complicated dodging with polycontrast papers that are equivalent to using local contrast moves in Photoshop.

Others have left the last step of processing/printing to others (many photojournalists from film through digital eras).

What do you think ?

Nothing's really changed that much.  We just have more tools that are easier to use these days without having our clothes smell like chemicals when we are done.  Just like in the past different people choose to adapt their capture in the field to a simpler workflow (e.g. SOOC JPEG or a slide film) or a more complicated one (e.g. RAW and LR/PS or a negative film followed by shot by shot optimized push/pull in development, developer choice, developing agitation choice, paper choice, dodges/burns for exposure, polycontrast dodges for local contrast control, and so forth).

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Gerry Winterbourne Forum Pro • Posts: 17,648
Re: HiFi-High Fidelity in Photography

AutoFokus wrote:

High fidelity (often shortened to hi-fi or HiFi) is a term used by listeners, audiophiles and home audio enthusiasts to refer to high-quality reproduction of sound.

(by Wikipedia)

HiFi in Photography: so this would mean in photography that the picture closely resembles reality.

This is a false analogy. Hi-fi sound works by accurately recording (and then transmitting) individual frequencies of sound. The closest reasonable photo analogy is to record colours and details accurately.

But nowadays almost all pictures are;

- corrected

"Corrected" means adjusted to be nearer reality, not far away.

/ distorted / altered... and this is far away from reality.

What do you mean by distorted? Any lens distortions are easily corrected - see above.

What do you mean by altered? Altered from what to what? If they are accurate, why alter them? If they are not accurate, the obvious reason to alter them is to correct them - see above again.

and so, today it is better to master Photoshop than know how to make good pictures with good knowledge of Photo technology.

Photoshop is part of photo technology, not separate from it. Accurate photos need a comprehensive knowledge of all aspects of the technology.

What do you think ?

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57even Forum Pro • Posts: 14,733
Re: HiFi-High Fidelity in Photography
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AutoFokus wrote:

High fidelity (often shortened to hi-fi or HiFi) is a term used by listeners, audiophiles and home audio enthusiasts to refer to high-quality reproduction of sound.

(by Wikipedia)

HiFi in Photography: so this would mean in photography that the picture closely resembles reality.

But nowadays almost all pictures are;

- corrected / distorted / altered... and this is far away from reality.

and so, today it is better to master PhotoShop than know how to make good pictures with good knowledge of Photo tehnology.

What do you think ?

The 'reality' recorded by a camera when photons hit the sensor is not the 'reality' recorded by our brain when photons hit our eyes. We don't process the information in the same way.

So which 'reality' are you talking about?

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Nope
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AutoFokus wrote:

High fidelity (often shortened to hi-fi or HiFi) is a term used by listeners, audiophiles and home audio enthusiasts to refer to high-quality reproduction of sound.

(by Wikipedia)

Reproduction of the sound as recorded. That recording involves many layers of mixes, filters, and even performances. Even a recording of a live performance depends on mixing many channels into two (or a few more if you are fancy).

HiFi in Photography: so this would mean in photography that the picture closely resembles reality.

No. It would involve printing, screen resolution, etc. Reproduction of the image as recorded.

But nowadays almost all pictures are;

- corrected / distorted / altered... and this is far away from reality.

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and so, today it is better to master PhotoShop than know how to make good pictures with good knowledge of Photo tehnology.

What do you think ?

Probably best to master both, and know where and when to focus your attention.

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hampshirejohn Regular Member • Posts: 348
An analogy
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Never mind the music, listen to the lack of distortion.

Never mind the image, look at the image quality.

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2 different things I think

The best HiFi, is a tool to reproduce the audio. It is not a piece of art itself but the audio played by it. So people looking for the best tool which can playback the highest quality, closest to the original, of the audio to enjoy it.

Camera again is a tool but is used to record the light in front of it. If one wish the output be exactly the same as the scene, it is the best copier.

However some shooter might wish through angle of shooting, focal length used, parameters setting etc or certain techniques, not necessary post processing: for instance backlit or high key shooting etc to present the shooter's view, feeling etc. Could be a piece of art, or just certaint creation, it is not necessary to become a copier.

Indeed, a good playback media, a monitor, a TV etc sould act similarly the position as Hi-Fi...

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Gerry Siegel
Gerry Siegel Veteran Member • Posts: 3,058
Re: HiFi-High Fidelity in Photography

If anyone, friend, could ever define much less agree on -a definition of what you call reality, or argue convincingly why it is a desirable standard, to shoot for, good luck to her.

Sound and sight are just senses mediated by our mind and internal and external optical systems. No better.  Both senses are easily confused or fiddled with all the time.  Concert hall sound? Only really in a concert hall and that is not always delightful IMO.

Me, I prefer stereoscopic pictures . 3-D twp lenses, and even they are just a bare imitation of something 'out there'. It is nice to have some goal, but reality, not for me. And It bothers me not. How about you? (Are you vexed by Photoshop. Write to Adobe Systems!)

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bill winslow hansen Regular Member • Posts: 114
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Actually the term hifi means nothing at all.

As evidenced by literally millions of home audio equipment items emblazoned with it,

Even the lower end of the scale.

I have stereos with the words hifi on them and am radios with the words hi fidelity.

Personal taste and preferences are subjective.

Back in the 70s a magazine did a test where they took cheap as beans recievers and put them up against the most expensive receivers .

The cheap hifi stuff won.

hifi really is a non definable term.

they tried it didn’t work .

The application of finish on photographs is almost as old as photography itself.

One negative using film can yield many different results depending on who what and how the photofinishing is done.

It’s subjective and it’s personal taste .

Trying to apply a uniform idealism appealing to your own preferences is a pointless endeavour.

Oh a harmonic distortions in a audio recording no matter how hifi it claims to be is what gives productions a unique charm .

One of the first things done in the signal path is to introduce distortion.

It’s a difficult concept to grasp but a completely transparent reproduction of a live recording has never been achieved.

Same as a photograph.

I hope they never achieve that but , it’s all a personal preference.

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MediaArchivist has it right.

The original scene is like the original performance.

The raw file is like the raw microphone feeds.

Lightroom is like a mixing desk/Protools.

Photoshop is like Autotune.

The finished edited Jpg is like the finished edited flac file.

HiFi in music is merely how accurately you can turn that flac file back into sound for the ear so in photography it would be how accurately you can turn the jpg back into light for the eye. In other words, how accurate your monitor or printer is.

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Rambow Contributing Member • Posts: 813
Analog rules !
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Don't need high fidelity as long as you understand... Analog sound and photos are the best! The machines also tend to last forever.

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Re: Nope

MediaArchivist wrote:

AutoFokus wrote:

High fidelity (often shortened to hi-fi or HiFi) is a term used by listeners, audiophiles and home audio enthusiasts to refer to high-quality reproduction of sound.

(by Wikipedia)

Reproduction of the sound as recorded. That recording involves many layers of mixes, filters, and even performances. Even a recording of a live performance depends on mixing many channels into two (or a few more if you are fancy).

There are some recordings that are done with just a binaural or x-y coincidence mic or similar. One of the early recordings to use this that I'm aware of is the Trinity Sessions by the Cowboy Junkies - recorded with a single soundfield mic in a church.

https://www.soundonsound.com/people/cowboy-junkies-sweet-jane

I think U2 would later go on to record in this same church.

HiFi in Photography: so this would mean in photography that the picture closely resembles reality.

No. It would involve printing, screen resolution, etc. Reproduction of the image as recorded.

I would agree with this. But you could attempt to reproduce reality as well - let's say a photo realistic enough to appear to be a window, if viewed from a stationary position. I mean heck - I saw the Tyrell building from Blade Runner and it was about 3 feet high. If movie magic can make me think a 3 foot model is a giant building, perhaps a photo could be real enough to make me think it was a window (at a glance).

But nowadays almost all pictures are;

- corrected / distorted / altered... and this is far away from reality.

Top 10 Artists Who Heavily Use Auto Tune

and so, today it is better to master PhotoShop than know how to make good pictures with good knowledge of Photo tehnology.

What do you think ?

Probably best to master both, and know where and when to focus your attention.

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57even Forum Pro • Posts: 14,733
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Rambow wrote:

Don't need high fidelity as long as you understand... Analog sound and photos are the best! The machines also tend to last forever.

It's the reason this puppy will never die

Whatever dude. Describing a cassette player as 'hi-fi' was always a stretch at the best of times.

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DavidP03 Regular Member • Posts: 409
Re: HiFi-High Fidelity in Photography

bill winslow hansen wrote:

Actually the term hifi means nothing at all.

As evidenced by literally millions of home audio equipment items emblazoned with it,

Even the lower end of the scale.

I have stereos with the words hifi on them and am radios with the words hi fidelity.

Personal taste and preferences are subjective.

Back in the 70s a magazine did a test where they took cheap as beans recievers and put them up against the most expensive receivers .

The cheap hifi stuff won.

hifi really is a non definable term.

they tried it didn’t work .

The application of finish on photographs is almost as old as photography itself.

One negative using film can yield many different results depending on who what and how the photofinishing is done.

It’s subjective and it’s personal taste .

Trying to apply a uniform idealism appealing to your own preferences is a pointless endeavour.

Oh a harmonic distortions in a audio recording no matter how hifi it claims to be is what gives productions a unique charm .

One of the first things done in the signal path is to introduce distortion.

It’s a difficult concept to grasp but a completely transparent reproduction of a live recording has never been achieved.

Same as a photograph.

I hope they never achieve that but , it’s all a personal preference.

Off topic I know, I wonder how many know the meaning of ‘wifi’ without using google of course

David.

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Rambow Contributing Member • Posts: 813
Re: Analog rules !
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57even wrote:

Rambow wrote:

Don't need high fidelity as long as you understand... Analog sound and photos are the best! The machines also tend to last forever.

It's the reason this puppy will never die

Whatever dude. Describing a cassette player as 'hi-fi' was always a stretch at the best of times.

Do you even read? The title was "Analog rules" and you literally quoted me saying "don't need high fidelity".

I said analog(sound, image) is the best, not anything else.

Let me rephrase my last sentence too, so that maybe this time you'd understand:

You know what rules? This

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Re: HiFi-High Fidelity in Photography

Even in this day and age, cameras are not always able to see as the eye sees. So often photos need to be processed to re-create the fidelity of the original scene. There's no sin in using Photoshop.

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