A6600 vs A6500 noise performance

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Bagan New Member • Posts: 2
A6600 vs A6500 noise performance

Hi,

I recently upgraded from A6500 to A6600....I'm only shooting in JPEG and do not make much changes on my camera settings.

I'm starting to notice A6600 photos have more "noise/grain" compared to A6500 photos at the same settings (ISO, F stop, SS), have anyone had the same experience/issues ?

Thanks

Bagan

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Re: A6600 vs A6500 noise performance
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Check what your NR settings are set to in the menu...if set to low or off that will obviously let more noise be visible.

Note that cameras in general have been defaulting towards allowing a little more grain in favor of not losing fine details, and that's been a trend with most cameras over the past few years - so it also could be that you're not used to the grain, but are getting significantly more fine detail.  Unless viewing blown up to 100% on a big monitor or making prints several feet wide and looking at them from a few inches away, grain doesn't really show up much in use, but lack of details is definitely noticeable.

If the amount of noise is something you don't want and even at the highest NR setting there's still too much, you can always pick up a noise reduction software to run your photos through - they're not that expensive, and they're are even a few older free ones around.  They may sacrifice detail, but can dump the noise.

I find the ISO noise performance has stepped up about 1/2 to 2/3 stop on the A6600 over my A6300 - I get higher detail retention and lower noise (I set both cameras to 'low' NR), but the noise itself is nicer on the A6600 - finer grain, less blotchy, and less color noise (chroma).  The A6300 was a pretty nice step up over the A6000 before it in addressing chroma noise, so each generation has ended up tailored a bit more to how I like JPGs - as the ISO goes up, prioritize color and detail, and allow a little more noise as long as it's all luminance, fine-grain, and uniform - no blotchy noise and no chroma color noise.

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Martin_99 Senior Member • Posts: 1,107
Re: A6600 vs A6500 noise performance

Bagan wrote:

Hi,

I recently upgraded from A6500 to A6600....I'm only shooting in JPEG and do not make much changes on my camera settings.

I'm starting to notice A6600 photos have more "noise/grain" compared to A6500 photos at the same settings (ISO, F stop, SS), have anyone had the same experience/issues ?

Thanks

Bagan

I upgraded from A6000 to A6400 (should be same IQ as A6600). I noticed improvement in high ISO performance - less grain and also "better looking" less distracting grain at same ISO. So I would say that Sony is generally better over time.

Just notice - without direct comparison of the same scene by both cameras you can't be really sure if something is changed or better/worse. Comparing different scenes can be tricky.

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mcslsk Veteran Member • Posts: 5,727
Re: A6600 vs A6500 noise performance

The sensor in both cameras behaves almost the same - except for Color Sensitivity (the a6500 is better) https://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Sony-A6500-versus-Sony-A6600___1127_1347   When do you notice the noise? What ISO? Do you push shadows?

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Sympa Senior Member • Posts: 2,427
Re: A6600 vs A6500 noise performance

If you look on the dpreview image quality comparator, the new series do quite a bit better at high ISO than the A6500/A6300.

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Euell Veteran Member • Posts: 4,524
Re: A6600 vs A6500 noise performance

Sympa wrote:

If you look on the dpreview image quality comparator, the new series do quite a bit better at high ISO than the A6500/A6300.

I assume you are referring to JPEGs, since both series use the same sensor.

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mcslsk wrote:

The sensor in both cameras behaves almost the same - except for Color Sensitivity (the a6500 is better) https://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Sony-A6500-versus-Sony-A6600___1127_1347 When do you notice the noise? What ISO? Do you push shadows?

I agree, and the a6300, a6500, & a6600 are almost identical in all perfomance, accross the board, since they all share the exact same imaging sensor. Check out the 'Color Sensitivity', the a6600 falls short, for some reason?!

https://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Sony-A6300-versus-Sony-A6500-versus-Sony-A6600___1072_1127_1347

That is exactly why upgrading to any of the new a6100, a6400, or a6600 made no sense for me to upgrade. Using the same sensor in five (5) cameras was lazy, and done to cut costs, and/or segment from FF. Since my two zoom lenses have OSS, the upgrade was not worth it to me, and I did not need the IBIS, bigger battery, for twice the price of the a6600.

Hopefully the a6600 successor will come with a much better sensor, joy stick, faster memory card(s), better EVF, better IBIS, bigger buffer, front dial, better video, etc, etc... IF that ever happens, I may consider upgrading. Until then, I will be enjoying the hell out of my trusty old a6300.

Sony really need to up their game to keep them competitive with the competition soon! If not, they will lose a lot of customers. Also, if you PP RAW files, I can do wonders with my images in Capture One Pro.

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OP Bagan New Member • Posts: 2
Re: A6600 vs A6500 noise performance

Thanks for all the reply !

I'm just comparing the straight out of camera jpeg without any editing, and i capture the same scene with both A6500 and A6600 with the exact same settings, and at ISO 400 and above, it's when I'm starting to notice the difference. Although the A6600 produces sharper images, the grain in the out of focus background is a lot of noticeable than A6500 (which seems smoother).

Is it simply a case of the JPGE in camera processing for A6600 and A6500 is different ? or do I have a bad copy of A6600 ?

Either way, I plan on getting another copy of A6600 just to make sure I don't have a bad copy of the A6600 as I do really like the camera a lot.

mcslsk Veteran Member • Posts: 5,727
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Would you be able to provide sample images?

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Martin_99 Senior Member • Posts: 1,107
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Did you try to compare processed RAWs?

Did you compare the cameras with the same lens?

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Euell Veteran Member • Posts: 4,524
Re: A6600 vs A6500 noise performance

Bagan wrote:

Thanks for all the reply !

I'm just comparing the straight out of camera jpeg without any editing, and i capture the same scene with both A6500 and A6600 with the exact same settings, and at ISO 400 and above, it's when I'm starting to notice the difference. Although the A6600 produces sharper images, the grain in the out of focus background is a lot of noticeable than A6500 (which seems smoother).

Is it simply a case of the JPGE in camera processing for A6600 and A6500 is different ? or do I have a bad copy of A6600 ?

Either way, I plan on getting another copy of A6600 just to make sure I don't have a bad copy of the A6600 as I do really like the camera a lot.

If you are looking at jpegs, the difference would be in the noise filter

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