iPad Pro - a new future for my hobby

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ChrisLumix Veteran Member • Posts: 3,191
Re: iPad Pro - a new future for my hobby

P Harg wrote:

When I switch on iCloud photos, will it keep all my images on my iMac or does the process involve the files uploading, being deleted on the iMac, and then them being downloaded to the iMac. It seems a crazy way to work that way, but crazier things do happen.

Absolutely not. When you upload to iCloud the originals stay on your Mac. It's other devices they then get downloaded to - but only if the devices are set up normally and not prevented from doing so.

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OP Andy Hewitt Veteran Member • Posts: 4,335
Re: iPad Pro - a new future for my hobby

ChrisLumix wrote:

P Harg wrote:

When I switch on iCloud photos, will it keep all my images on my iMac or does the process involve the files uploading, being deleted on the iMac, and then them being downloaded to the iMac. It seems a crazy way to work that way, but crazier things do happen.

Absolutely not. When you upload to iCloud the originals stay on your Mac. It's other devices they then get downloaded to - but only if the device s are set up normally and not prevented from doing so.

Not if you set it to ‘Optimise Storage’, it will remove master images from any devices that this setting is used on. It is easily possible to have your entire collection stored only in the cloud (this is currently my setup, as I don’t have enough local storage for the full library to be stored on my boot drive).

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P Harg Forum Member • Posts: 86
Re: iPad Pro - a new future for my hobby

ChrisLumix wrote:

P Harg wrote:

When I switch on iCloud photos, will it keep all my images on my iMac or does the process involve the files uploading, being deleted on the iMac, and then them being downloaded to the iMac. It seems a crazy way to work that way, but crazier things do happen.

Absolutely not. When you upload to iCloud the originals stay on your Mac. It's other devices they then get downloaded to - but only if the devices are set up normally and not prevented from doing so.

Thanks for that.  I won't be ticking the optimise button on my iMac. I was curious if the originals from my iMac Photos library would be uploaded to iCloud and then downloaded again to my iMac - which you have confirmed won't happen. I suppose it would only have been an issue if my massive upload gets interrupted/messed up.

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P Harg Forum Member • Posts: 86
Re: iPad Pro - a new future for my hobby

Andy Hewitt wrote:

ChrisLumix wrote:

P Harg wrote:

When I switch on iCloud photos, will it keep all my images on my iMac or does the process involve the files uploading, being deleted on the iMac, and then them being downloaded to the iMac. It seems a crazy way to work that way, but crazier things do happen.

Absolutely not. When you upload to iCloud the originals stay on your Mac. It's other devices they then get downloaded to - but only if the device s are set up normally and not prevented from doing so.

Not if you set it to ‘Optimise Storage’, it will remove master images from any devices that this setting is used on. It is easily possible to have your entire collection stored only in the cloud (this is currently my setup, as I don’t have enough local storage for the full library to be stored on my boot drive).

Andy, does the full library have ti be on the boot drive (rather than an external). Thanks.

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Mike Boreham Senior Member • Posts: 1,610
Re: iPad Pro - a new future for my hobby

P Harg wrote:

Andy Hewitt wrote:

ChrisLumix wrote:

P Harg wrote:

When I switch on iCloud photos, will it keep all my images on my iMac or does the process involve the files uploading, being deleted on the iMac, and then them being downloaded to the iMac. It seems a crazy way to work that way, but crazier things do happen.

Absolutely not. When you upload to iCloud the originals stay on your Mac. It's other devices they then get downloaded to - but only if the device s are set up normally and not prevented from doing so.

Not if you set it to ‘Optimise Storage’, it will remove master images from any devices that this setting is used on. It is easily possible to have your entire collection stored only in the cloud (this is currently my setup, as I don’t have enough local storage for the full library to be stored on my boot drive).

Andy, does the full library have ti be on the boot drive (rather than an external). Thanks.

Not Andy, but no it does not have to be on the boot drive. Move it where you want and open Photos with the option button pressed, and choose where you have put it. Or just double click on the library file.

OP Andy Hewitt Veteran Member • Posts: 4,335
Re: iPad Pro - a new future for my hobby

P Harg wrote:

Andy Hewitt wrote:

ChrisLumix wrote:

P Harg wrote:

When I switch on iCloud photos, will it keep all my images on my iMac or does the process involve the files uploading, being deleted on the iMac, and then them being downloaded to the iMac. It seems a crazy way to work that way, but crazier things do happen.

Absolutely not. When you upload to iCloud the originals stay on your Mac. It's other devices they then get downloaded to - but only if the device s are set up normally and not prevented from doing so.

Not if you set it to ‘Optimise Storage’, it will remove master images from any devices that this setting is used on. It is easily possible to have your entire collection stored only in the cloud (this is currently my setup, as I don’t have enough local storage for the full library to be stored on my boot drive).

Andy, does the full library have ti be on the boot drive (rather than an external). Thanks.

No, it can be on any drive you like, but I'm finding it's working more reliably being on my boot drive. Besides, my boot drive is a Crucial 500Gb SSD, so the library part of the system works faster.

I was having lots of corruptions and issues when it was stored on an external drive (couldn't even get as far as importing everything). So far on the internal SSD it's been running fine.

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Mike Boreham Senior Member • Posts: 1,610
Re: iPad Pro - a new future for my hobby

Andy Hewitt wrote:

P Harg wrote:

Andy Hewitt wrote:

ChrisLumix wrote:

P Harg wrote:

When I switch on iCloud photos, will it keep all my images on my iMac or does the process involve the files uploading, being deleted on the iMac, and then them being downloaded to the iMac. It seems a crazy way to work that way, but crazier things do happen.

Absolutely not. When you upload to iCloud the originals stay on your Mac. It's other devices they then get downloaded to - but only if the device s are set up normally and not prevented from doing so.

Not if you set it to ‘Optimise Storage’, it will remove master images from any devices that this setting is used on. It is easily possible to have your entire collection stored only in the cloud (this is currently my setup, as I don’t have enough local storage for the full library to be stored on my boot drive).

Andy, does the full library have ti be on the boot drive (rather than an external). Thanks.

No, it can be on any drive you like, but I'm finding it's working more reliably being on my boot drive. Besides, my boot drive is a Crucial 500Gb SSD, so the library part of the system works faster.

I was having lots of corruptions and issues when it was stored on an external drive (couldn't even get as far as importing everything). So far on the internal SSD it's been running fine.

Interesting! I have nearly always had mine on an external (too large for internal usually) and never had any problem.

OP Andy Hewitt Veteran Member • Posts: 4,335
Re: iPad Pro - a new future for my hobby

Mike Boreham wrote:

Andy Hewitt wrote:

Andy, does the full library have ti be on the boot drive (rather than an external). Thanks.

No, it can be on any drive you like, but I'm finding it's working more reliably being on my boot drive. Besides, my boot drive is a Crucial 500Gb SSD, so the library part of the system works faster.

I was having lots of corruptions and issues when it was stored on an external drive (couldn't even get as far as importing everything). So far on the internal SSD it's been running fine.

Interesting! I have nearly always had mine on an external (too large for internal usually) and never had any problem.

Yeah, weird isn't it. I could never get it to import past about 20k images before it'd start corrupting and freezing, then refusing to work properly.

Using the internal SSD, and allowing to gradually upload to iCloud has been without a hitch.

No idea why, I tried it with a number of drive units, some even brand new, and a handful of different enclosures too (USB 3 and Firewire 800).

Now I've almost retired the iMac, I might try installing a standard HDD again, with enough storage to keep local copies of the iCloud library internally.

It might have worked better if they'd done the same as Lightroom where the library is on the boot drive (and they don't give you a choice), and the master images on an external drive (which is what I still have at the moment).

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Mike Boreham Senior Member • Posts: 1,610
Re: iPad Pro - a new future for my hobby

Andy Hewitt wrote:

Mike Boreham wrote:

Andy Hewitt wrote:

Andy, does the full library have ti be on the boot drive (rather than an external). Thanks.

No, it can be on any drive you like, but I'm finding it's working more reliably being on my boot drive. Besides, my boot drive is a Crucial 500Gb SSD, so the library part of the system works faster.

I was having lots of corruptions and issues when it was stored on an external drive (couldn't even get as far as importing everything). So far on the internal SSD it's been running fine.

Interesting! I have nearly always had mine on an external (too large for internal usually) and never had any problem.

Yeah, weird isn't it. I could never get it to import past about 20k images before it'd start corrupting and freezing, then refusing to work properly.

Using the internal SSD, and allowing to gradually upload to iCloud has been without a hitch.

No idea why, I tried it with a number of drive units, some even brand new, and a handful of different enclosures too (USB 3 and Firewire 800).

Now I've almost retired the iMac, I might try installing a standard HDD again, with enough storage to keep local copies of the iCloud library internally.

It might have worked better if they'd done the same as Lightroom where the library is on the boot drive (and they don't give you a choice), and the master images on an external drive (which is what I still have at the moment).

I know its frowned on but I have had my Lightroom Cloudy library on an external, symlinked to the internal, for the last two years, without any problems. With smart previews stored locally the library is 98GB and my iMac internal is only 256GB.

P Harg Forum Member • Posts: 86
Re: iPad Pro - a new future for my hobby

Thank you all for the information.

Currently mine is on my iMac as I have enough space.

I am debating with myself (!) about moving to iCloud and getting a smallish capacity iPad, vs getting a 512Mb iPad and just sync everything with a wire.

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OP Andy Hewitt Veteran Member • Posts: 4,335
Re: iPad Pro - a new future for my hobby

P Harg wrote:

Thank you all for the information.

Currently mine is on my iMac as I have enough space.

I am debating with myself (!) about moving to iCloud and getting a smallish capacity iPad, vs getting a 512Mb iPad and just sync everything with a wire.

Yes, it’s all choices, and of course personal to our own needs.

I have the 12.9” iPad Pro with 512GB, which is more then sufficient for my needs. I keep the images on the cloud, as my library is 600GB. But the 2TB iCloud option is reasonable in cost, and gives us a lot of future proofing for myself and the wife.

I always intend to copy masters to an external drive, or two, even when I no longer have the iMac.

Currently my photos are on 5 disk drives, and two cloud systems. Although that will change a little when I finally cease my Lightroom sub.

For me having everything on the cloud is very convenient, as it allows me the options I like to view images on many devices (iMac, iPad, iPhone and AppleTV), and edit on at least two of those, and the album sharing is perfect for our family needs too.

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ChrisLumix Veteran Member • Posts: 3,191
Re: iPad Pro - a new future for my hobby

Andy Hewitt wrote:

ChrisLumix wrote:

P Harg wrote:

When I switch on iCloud photos, will it keep all my images on my iMac or does the process involve the files uploading, being deleted on the iMac, and then them being downloaded to the iMac. It seems a crazy way to work that way, but crazier things do happen.

Absolutely not. When you upload to iCloud the originals stay on your Mac. It's other devices they then get downloaded to - but only if the device s are set up normally and not prevented from doing so.

Not if you set it to ‘Optimise Storage’, it will remove master images from any devices that this setting is used on. It is easily possible to have your entire collection stored only in the cloud (this is currently my setup, as I don’t have enough local storage for the full library to be stored on my boot drive).

Fair comment, but it's not the default.

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