Why has Canon included the 1.6x crop on R5?

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Advent1sam
Advent1sam Veteran Member • Posts: 9,089
Why has Canon included the 1.6x crop on R5?

With 8200 pixels on the horizontal a 1.25 and 1.5 would probably be preferable for shooting cropped?

The 1.25x crop would provide a 28mp crop sensor, aps-h size and essentially a 600 f8 ff dof at 470 6.3 with 100-500, very very nice!

The 1.5 would be just a bit better imo than 1.6 and provide an equally cool 20mp crop aps size and a 700mm f9.5 dof with 470 6.3 with 100-500, also very nice😀

Obviously I can do these crops in post but I think the 1.25 and 1.5 in camera crops would reduce the use for many of the 1.4x tc, although obviously it will depend on your use.

I may decide yet to order the r5 and 100-500

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lightnchade Regular Member • Posts: 257
Re: Why has Canon included the 1.6x crop on R5?
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Presumably because you can attach EF-S lenses via the EF-RF adapter, and they are designed for 1.6 crop.

Zeee Forum Pro • Posts: 21,762
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Advent1sam wrote:

With 8200 pixels on the horizontal a 1.25 and 1.5 would probably be preferable for shooting cropped?

The 1.25x crop would provide a 28mp crop sensor, aps-h size and essentially a 600 f8 ff dof at 470 6.3 with 100-500, very very nice!

The 1.5 would be just a bit better imo than 1.6 and provide an equally cool 20mp crop aps size and a 700mm f9.5 dof with 470 6.3 with 100-500, also very nice😀

Obviously I can do these crops in post but I think the 1.25 and 1.5 in camera crops would reduce the use for many of the 1.4x tc, although obviously it will depend on your use.

I may decide yet to order the r5 and 100-500

So yoy can use EFS lenses. The R has it as well. My guess. We won't see a crop sensor again. FF and the M will be the lines.

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lightnchade wrote:

Presumably because you can attach EF-S lenses via the EF-RF adapter, and they are designed for 1.6 crop.

Yes, of course, the extra crop ratios would be cool though!

Colin46 Senior Member • Posts: 1,603
Re: Why has Canon included the 1.6x crop on R5?
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Advent1sam wrote:

With 8200 pixels on the horizontal a 1.25 and 1.5 would probably be preferable for shooting cropped?

The 1.25x crop would provide a 28mp crop sensor, aps-h size and essentially a 600 f8 ff dof at 470 6.3 with 100-500, very very nice!

The 1.5 would be just a bit better imo than 1.6 and provide an equally cool 20mp crop aps size and a 700mm f9.5 dof with 470 6.3 with 100-500, also very nice😀

Obviously I can do these crops in post but I think the 1.25 and 1.5 in camera crops would reduce the use for many of the 1.4x tc, although obviously it will depend on your use.

I may decide yet to order the r5 and 100-500

Can’t see the point in a camera crop, just crop in post to where you want.

obviously if you attach an aps-c lens, then the camera will apply a 1.6 crop automatically

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Re: Why has Canon included the 1.6x crop on R5?

Colin46 wrote:

Advent1sam wrote:

With 8200 pixels on the horizontal a 1.25 and 1.5 would probably be preferable for shooting cropped?

The 1.25x crop would provide a 28mp crop sensor, aps-h size and essentially a 600 f8 ff dof at 470 6.3 with 100-500, very very nice!

The 1.5 would be just a bit better imo than 1.6 and provide an equally cool 20mp crop aps size and a 700mm f9.5 dof with 470 6.3 with 100-500, also very nice😀

Obviously I can do these crops in post but I think the 1.25 and 1.5 in camera crops would reduce the use for many of the 1.4x tc, although obviously it will depend on your use.

I may decide yet to order the r5 and 100-500

Can’t see the point in a camera crop,

We are all different, Sony includes the 1.5x crop and others eg Nikon have all provided 1.3 crops too, it makes perfect sense to me, to provide better framing in camera.

just crop in post to where you want.

sure

obviously if you attach an aps-c lens, then the camera will apply a 1.6 crop automatically

sure, but I won't, not interested in shooting 1.6x crop

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I get you. One of the Big Advantage of filming with Sony A7 series is the ability to switch to a crop mode on the fly. A single focus length prime effectively become 2 lens. I think Canon is limiting it to sell us an APSC R7 @$1499 to compete against Fuji XT4.

With R6 price at relatively high $2500, I think there is a GAP assuming EOS-R will not get a replacement.

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007peter wrote:

I get you. One of the Big Advantage of filming with Sony A7 series is the ability to switch to a crop mode on the fly. A single focus length prime effectively become 2 lens. I think Canon is limiting it to sell us an APSC R7 @$1499 to compete against Fuji XT4.

With R6 price at relatively high $2500, I think there is a GAP assuming EOS-R will not get a replacement.

I switch to crop mode on the fly with my RP. Extra reach. Smaller file size. I can frame in camera the way I want. If I know I won’t be blowing up a picture from vacation beyond a collage in a photo album, why not crop?  10.1 megapixels is enough for 300 PPI on an 8x10.

I mapped it in my menu and mapped many access to my down key. Real quick switching now.

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JustUs7 wrote:

007peter wrote:

I get you. One of the Big Advantage of filming with Sony A7 series is the ability to switch to a crop mode on the fly. A single focus length prime effectively become 2 lens. I think Canon is limiting it to sell us an APSC R7 @$1499 to compete against Fuji XT4.

With R6 price at relatively high $2500, I think there is a GAP assuming EOS-R will not get a replacement.

I switch to crop mode on the fly with my RP. Extra reach. Smaller file size. I can frame in camera the way I want. If I know I won’t be blowing up a picture from vacation beyond a collage in a photo album, why not crop? 10.1 megapixels is enough for 300 PPI on an 8x10.

I mapped it in my menu and mapped many access to my down key. Real quick switching now.

I crop during PP. Same difference I think

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Re: Why has Canon included the 1.6x crop on R5?

Colin46 wrote:

Can’t see the point in a camera crop, just crop in post to where you want.

Screenshot this.

A crop camera will come to the R line. Not a matter of if, but when.

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scrup wrote:

Colin46 wrote:

Can’t see the point in a camera crop, just crop in post to where you want.

Screenshot this.

A crop camera will come to the R line. Not a matter of if, but when.

I don’t think so. COVID is putting a big dent in the world economy. On top of that 35mm film was a standard for decades before digital came out. The first DSLR’s came out as crops because FF sensor tech was not there for many years and would have been far too expensive. When it did come out FF sensors where expensive.

We are cycling back to film sized legacy and the modern FF sensors are now affordable to do it.

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Zeee wrote:

JustUs7 wrote:

007peter wrote:

I get you. One of the Big Advantage of filming with Sony A7 series is the ability to switch to a crop mode on the fly. A single focus length prime effectively become 2 lens. I think Canon is limiting it to sell us an APSC R7 @$1499 to compete against Fuji XT4.

With R6 price at relatively high $2500, I think there is a GAP assuming EOS-R will not get a replacement.

I switch to crop mode on the fly with my RP. Extra reach. Smaller file size. I can frame in camera the way I want. If I know I won’t be blowing up a picture from vacation beyond a collage in a photo album, why not crop? 10.1 megapixels is enough for 300 PPI on an 8x10.

I mapped it in my menu and mapped many access to my down key. Real quick switching now.

I crop during PP. Same difference I think

With a DSLR you may have a point, but on mirrorless crop mode will fill the entire EVF with the cropped picture, enlarging the subject and making framing and focusing easier.

As for cropping during PP, that's fine if you want to adjust the cropped frame one by one, but if you engage crop mode you're shooting with the center crop to begin with. So why bother inserting a manual step? The presence of a crop mode does not preclude you from doing everything manually to your liking, so I do not understand why you are so hostile to the concept.

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quiquae wrote:

Zeee wrote:

JustUs7 wrote:

007peter wrote:

I get you. One of the Big Advantage of filming with Sony A7 series is the ability to switch to a crop mode on the fly. A single focus length prime effectively become 2 lens. I think Canon is limiting it to sell us an APSC R7 @$1499 to compete against Fuji XT4.

With R6 price at relatively high $2500, I think there is a GAP assuming EOS-R will not get a replacement.

I switch to crop mode on the fly with my RP. Extra reach. Smaller file size. I can frame in camera the way I want. If I know I won’t be blowing up a picture from vacation beyond a collage in a photo album, why not crop? 10.1 megapixels is enough for 300 PPI on an 8x10.

I mapped it in my menu and mapped many access to my down key. Real quick switching now.

I crop during PP. Same difference I think

With a DSLR you may have a point, but on mirrorless crop mode will fill the entire EVF with the cropped picture, enlarging the subject and making framing and focusing easier.

As for cropping during PP, that's fine if you want to adjust the cropped frame one by one, but if you engage crop mode you're shooting with the center crop to begin with. So why bother inserting a manual step? The presence of a crop mode does not preclude you from doing everything manually to your liking, so I do not understand why you are so hostile to the concept.

Exactly this. We were driving by a few elk in a National Park yesterday. Out in the field a bit. Grazing. I had plenty of time to frame in the EVF. With crop mode, my 24-240 could reach 384mm.  Perfect for what I needed. Plus smaller files on the card. I won’t be hanging those on the wall, but they’ll make the photo album of this trip.

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quiquae wrote:

Zeee wrote:

JustUs7 wrote:

007peter wrote:

I get you. One of the Big Advantage of filming with Sony A7 series is the ability to switch to a crop mode on the fly. A single focus length prime effectively become 2 lens. I think Canon is limiting it to sell us an APSC R7 @$1499 to compete against Fuji XT4.

With R6 price at relatively high $2500, I think there is a GAP assuming EOS-R will not get a replacement.

I switch to crop mode on the fly with my RP. Extra reach. Smaller file size. I can frame in camera the way I want. If I know I won’t be blowing up a picture from vacation beyond a collage in a photo album, why not crop? 10.1 megapixels is enough for 300 PPI on an 8x10.

I mapped it in my menu and mapped many access to my down key. Real quick switching now.

I crop during PP. Same difference I think

With a DSLR you may have a point, but on mirrorless crop mode will fill the entire EVF with the cropped picture, enlarging the subject and making framing and focusing easier.

As for cropping during PP, that's fine if you want to adjust the cropped frame one by one, but if you engage crop mode you're shooting with the center crop to begin with. So why bother inserting a manual step? The presence of a crop mode does not preclude you from doing everything manually to your liking, so I do not understand why you are so hostile to the concept.

I'm trying to work out where you think he's been hostile.

I understand the time saving in cropping in camera but, for me, I like the flexibility of having the larger file to play as it gives the option of alternative framing that I may not have seen at the time of shooting. I don't tend to use loads of the photos I shoot, but prefer to process just a few of the best. Each to their own

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