Reliabilty of m43 mirrorless cameras

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Isola Verde
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Re: Reliabilty of m43 mirrorless cameras

Emsquared wrote:

I just got a G85 and the PZ14-42 is pretty nice on it with EFC shutter, It was good with GX-7 E-shutter too.

I see from the separate thread that you're well aware of its shortcomings when mounted on the cameras of its day.

I happily got rid of mine, along with both GX1 and G3, but am glad to hear you've found a way to make use of yours!

Peter

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Re: Reliabilty of m43 mirrorless cameras

Adrian Harris wrote:

I now have four m43 cameras that have been seriously overworked from as far back as 2009, the original G1, GX7, GX8 and Em1-mk2.

I have taken about a zillion shots with each, but they have all failed to let me down or break. What should I do ?

My GX1 and GX7 are working great. I think they may finally be broken in.

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Rambow Contributing Member • Posts: 813
Buy Sony
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Adrian Harris wrote:

I have taken about a zillion shots with each, but they have all failed to let me down or break. What should I do?

M4/3 cameras are reliable because they are made by olympus and panasonic, which is comforting and boring at the same time.

Feel the need for change? Buy a sony camera and watch your life become a wild Rollercoaster.

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Felice62 Veteran Member • Posts: 3,080
Re: Reliabilty of m43 mirrorless cameras

The've served you well, so .. Buy a new set of mft cameras..

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Re: Buy Sony
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Rambow wrote:

Adrian Harris wrote:

I have taken about a zillion shots with each, but they have all failed to let me down or break. What should I do?

M4/3 cameras are reliable because they are made by olympus and panasonic, which is comforting and boring at the same time.

Feel the need for change? Buy a sony camera and watch your life become a wild Rollercoaster.

can you please elaborate on this statement?

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Re: EM5 died after 45K shutter activations
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jf_tea wrote:

I bought it in 2012. Took 45K pictures -- much less than gazillions

it died suddenly and never wanted to power on ever again.

All my other M4/3 cameras are fine, even the older GX1 and the GF1 that I had before and sold to a friend.

I wish my E-M10 would die too, got no  better reason to replace it.

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Sony ghost story

Felice62 wrote:

Feel the need for change? Buy a sony camera and watch your life become a wild Rollercoaster.

can you please elaborate on this statement?

Sure, just follow my rx100 ghost thread on the cybershot forum. Watch the video, it's fun(just one example out of many). I really don't bother with exposing all the strange things sony cameras do that other brands simply don't.

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Re: Reliabilty of m43 mirrorless cameras

Adrian Harris wrote:

I now have four m43 cameras that have been seriously overworked from as far back as 2009, the original G1, GX7, GX8 and Em1-mk2.

I have taken about a zillion shots with each, but they have all failed to let me down or break. What should I do ?

Keep them!!
Allan.

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jf_tea Senior Member • Posts: 1,466
Re: Reliabilty of m43 mirrorless cameras -- GX1

Isola Verde wrote:

Emsquared wrote:

I just got a G85 and the PZ14-42 is pretty nice on it with EFC shutter, It was good with GX-7 E-shutter too.

I see from the separate thread that you're well aware of its shortcomings when mounted on the cameras of its day.

I happily got rid of mine, along with both GX1 and G3, but am glad to hear you've found a way to make use of yours!

Peter

GX1:

I've never observed shutter shock fuzziness when I use the GX1+20/1.7 or with 14/2.5 -- (I am not denying other users might have noticed SS with some lenses).

Even with the 100-300 at 300mm, the GX1 was ok. But, I might just have been lucky. ... I sold my 100-300 anyway. Because I found the FZ150, and, then FZ200 more convenient (because smaller to carry when in a canoe or when hiking) -- yes, I am lazy.

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Re: Buy Sony
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Re: Buy Sony
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Isola Verde
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Re: Reliabilty of m43 mirrorless cameras -- GX1
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jf_tea wrote:

Isola Verde wrote:

Emsquared wrote:

I just got a G85 and the PZ14-42 is pretty nice on it with EFC shutter, It was good with GX-7 E-shutter too.

I see from the separate thread that you're well aware of its shortcomings when mounted on the cameras of its day.

I happily got rid of mine, along with both GX1 and G3, but am glad to hear you've found a way to make use of yours!

Peter

GX1:

I've never observed shutter shock fuzziness when I use the GX1+20/1.7 or with 14/2.5 -- (I am not denying other users might have noticed SS with some lenses).

Even with the 100-300 at 300mm, the GX1 was ok. But, I might just have been lucky. ... I sold my 100-300 anyway. Because I found the FZ150, and, then FZ200 more convenient (because smaller to carry when in a canoe or when hiking) -- yes, I am lazy.

Not sure you were lucky, you simply chose a wiser option than the ill-matched - and rather pricey - pairing I had the misfortune to pick as my introduction to M43...

"The Panasonic LUMIX DMC-GX1 will be available in black and silver bodies in mid-December and in the following kit options: DMC-GX1-X with the LUMIX G X VARIO PZ 14-42mm / F3.5-5.6 ASPH. / POWER O.I.S (H-PS14042) lens will have a suggested retail price (SRP) of $949.99; the DMC-GX1-K with the 14-42 standard zoom for an SRP of $799.99; and the DMC-GX1, body only for an SRP of $699.99. "

Proper pre-release testing would have identified the issue - and let them drop that particular package... the GX1 was OK once I went out and bought other lenses, and the 14/42PZ worked well enough on soft-shuttered cameras... but as a kit they made a treacherous combination.

Peter

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Re: Reliabilty of m43 mirrorless cameras

Adrian Harris wrote:

I now have four m43 cameras that have been seriously overworked from as far back as 2009, the original G1, GX7, GX8 and Em1-mk2.

I have taken about a zillion shots with each, but they have all failed to let me down or break. What should I do ?

😎

If you’re worried they might self-destruct, you could always donate them to a local school/charity or whatever for the less privileged, and treat yourself to a brand new set of modern bodies? A double win.

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Re: Oly = reliable

HRC2016 wrote:

My Olympus gear has never failed. So that means I have no experience with Olympus repair service.

I've have two experiences with Panny's repair service. Both negative.

A big key is using your gear correctly.

My only repair experience has been operator error (stupidity), well to be fair I have nerve damaged arm/hand, I drop & break many things.

I dropped a E510 with flash & macro 35mm mounted  - focus motor didn't like that nor filter rim. Dropped EM1 mk1 with 12-100mm mounted -  body lens mount didn't like that became bent, landed on lens filter mount edge but that was fine. Dropped one of my FL-600R flashes, apparently knocked a wire loose.

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Re: Reliabilty of m43 mirrorless cameras -- GX1

Isola Verde wrote:

jf_tea wrote:

Isola Verde wrote:

Emsquared wrote:

I just got a G85 and the PZ14-42 is pretty nice on it with EFC shutter, It was good with GX-7 E-shutter too.

I see from the separate thread that you're well aware of its shortcomings when mounted on the cameras of its day.

I happily got rid of mine, along with both GX1 and G3, but am glad to hear you've found a way to make use of yours!

Peter

GX1:

I've never observed shutter shock fuzziness when I use the GX1+20/1.7 or with 14/2.5 -- (I am not denying other users might have noticed SS with some lenses).

Even with the 100-300 at 300mm, the GX1 was ok. But, I might just have been lucky. ... I sold my 100-300 anyway. Because I found the FZ150, and, then FZ200 more convenient (because smaller to carry when in a canoe or when hiking) -- yes, I am lazy.

Not sure you were lucky, you simply chose a wiser option than the ill-matched - and rather pricey - pairing I had the misfortune to pick as my introduction to M43...

"The Panasonic LUMIX DMC-GX1 will be available in black and silver bodies in mid-December and in the following kit options: DMC-GX1-X with the LUMIX G X VARIO PZ 14-42mm / F3.5-5.6 ASPH. / POWER O.I.S (H-PS14042) lens will have a suggested retail price (SRP) of $949.99; the DMC-GX1-K with the 14-42 standard zoom for an SRP of $799.99; and the DMC-GX1, body only for an SRP of $699.99. "

Proper pre-release testing would have identified the issue - and let them drop that particular package... the GX1 was OK once I went out and bought other lenses, and the 14/42PZ worked well enough on soft-shuttered cameras... but as a kit they made a treacherous combination.

Peter

hmmm... a friend has a GX1 + 14-42 PZ.  I shall warn him to change the lens if he finds he takes (too many) SS fuzzy pictures.

Thanks for the explanation !

Does this happen at specific focal lengths and/or shutter speed ?

I would guess it happened more at 42mm and at less than 1/200s... but it might occur with less obvious parameters too.

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Re: Reliabilty of m43 mirrorless cameras -- GX1

jf_tea wrote:

Isola Verde wrote:

jf_tea wrote:

Isola Verde wrote:

Emsquared wrote:

I just got a G85 and the PZ14-42 is pretty nice on it with EFC shutter, It was good with GX-7 E-shutter too.

I see from the separate thread that you're well aware of its shortcomings when mounted on the cameras of its day.

I happily got rid of mine, along with both GX1 and G3, but am glad to hear you've found a way to make use of yours!

Peter

GX1:

I've never observed shutter shock fuzziness when I use the GX1+20/1.7 or with 14/2.5 -- (I am not denying other users might have noticed SS with some lenses).

Even with the 100-300 at 300mm, the GX1 was ok. But, I might just have been lucky. ... I sold my 100-300 anyway. Because I found the FZ150, and, then FZ200 more convenient (because smaller to carry when in a canoe or when hiking) -- yes, I am lazy.

Not sure you were lucky, you simply chose a wiser option than the ill-matched - and rather pricey - pairing I had the misfortune to pick as my introduction to M43...

"The Panasonic LUMIX DMC-GX1 will be available in black and silver bodies in mid-December and in the following kit options: DMC-GX1-X with the LUMIX G X VARIO PZ 14-42mm / F3.5-5.6 ASPH. / POWER O.I.S (H-PS14042) lens will have a suggested retail price (SRP) of $949.99; the DMC-GX1-K with the 14-42 standard zoom for an SRP of $799.99; and the DMC-GX1, body only for an SRP of $699.99. "

Proper pre-release testing would have identified the issue - and let them drop that particular package... the GX1 was OK once I went out and bought other lenses, and the 14/42PZ worked well enough on soft-shuttered cameras... but as a kit they made a treacherous combination.

Peter

hmmm... a friend has a GX1 + 14-42 PZ. I shall warn him to change the lens if he finds he takes (too many) SS fuzzy pictures.

Thanks for the explanation !

Does this happen at specific focal lengths and/or shutter speed ?

I would guess it happened more at 42mm and at less than 1/200s... but it might occur with less obvious parameters too.

Not sure I can help with specific good/bad settings - after so long, I've dumped most of the blighted pictures.

But here are a couple - taken within the same minute, at very similar settings, but from slightly different positions - of which one's rather less appealing than the other?

Screen grabs of the same images, at 100% and at 50% magnification...

Peter

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Re: Sony ghost story

I really like the output of Sony cameras in general. My first mirrorless was the superb nex-6. I have used many of the ml cameras produced by Sony, until the A7Rii, which I found to produce very good OOC jpegs.

I still have the unobtrusive A6000. A little wonder itself.

But since life is about compromises, I decided I didn't want to invest in native Sony lenses and lug around more weight. So I made the choice to elect mft as my primary system and am now exploring to increase my APS fuji gearset, as I find Fuji to be best suited to my wills.

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Re: Reliabilty of m43 mirrorless cameras

I'm using two G80's and an old G6 for video, without any reliability issues {my previous GH2 also never had any issues either}.

I have secretly hoped my G6 would die, as it would give me an excuse to get myself a G9.

Last week my G6 crashed to the ground, whilst I fumbled to mount it on top of a fully extended tripod....but the little bugger has refused to die, and just keeps on going.

It seems the G9 will have to wait a while longer.

In hindsight, my last two Nikon bodies both developed 'known issues', which required replacement parts...fortunately free of charge.

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Re: EM5 died after 45K shutter activations

jf_tea wrote:

I bought it in 2012. Took 45K pictures -- much less than gazillions

it died suddenly and never wanted to power on ever again.

Random electronic failures don't count, especially since you might be the only one who managed to kill an olympus camera like that.

I've read however that the em5 had a sort of switch failure... think it was the on/off switch.

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Isola Verde
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Re: EM5 died after 45K shutter activations

Rambow wrote:

jf_tea wrote:

I bought it in 2012. Took 45K pictures -- much less than gazillions

it died suddenly and never wanted to power on ever again.

Random electronic failures don't count, especially since you might be the only one who managed to kill an olympus camera like that.

I've read however that the em5 had a sort of switch failure... think it was the on/off switch.

One-offs shouldn't count - but just sometimes the fails are rather larger...

https://www.imaging-resource.com/badccds.html

Of course these days we wouldn't have so many makers relying on only one or two sensor manufacturers, would we?

Peter

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