Went FF (A7RIII) which APS-C body to keep?

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PadPoet
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Went FF (A7RIII) which APS-C body to keep?

Hi everyone,

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I just bought my first FF Sony Alpha, a A7RIII. Had the A6000 and A6500 as my main cameras. Also have a RX100M3 which gets used a lot.

I shoot a lot of 1080P video, especially 1080P 60fps.

Should I keep the A6000 or the A6500 when it comes to video for 1080P 60fps? My A7RIII will be my main photo driver. I know the A6500 shots greats 4K video but 60fps for me is very important when it comes to 1080P so even if I shoot 4K I can only downsample to 1080p but 30fps. The main reason I am asking this and even though I know the A6500 can do 1080P 60fps is that I've heard that the video output is soft compared to the A6000.

As I don't have access to the A6000 at this time, I thought of asking you guys here what would you keep in regards to video shooting. Are the rumours true that the A6500 has a soft 1080P output?

Worst case scenario I am keeping both APS-C bodies.

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BrentSchumer
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Re: Went FF (A7RIII) which APS-C body to keep?
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DPR's studio scene is here: A6500/A6000/Competitors.

From the DPR A6500 review:

1080 video is surprisingly poor by current standards, even taking a step backward from the original a6000, and falling far behind what the company's own RX100 cameras are capable of.

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blue_skies
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BrentSchumer wrote:

DPR's studio scene is here: A6500/A6000/Competitors.

From the DPR A6500 review:

1080 video is surprisingly poor by current standards, even taking a step backward from the original a6000, and falling far behind what the company's own RX100 cameras are capable of.

Yep, I would keep the A6000 ....

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voronspb
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Keep A6500, as it has the IBIS, and very soon you'll find yourself surrounded by unstabilized lenses, which are quite useless for video shooting on A6000.

Subtle difference in 1080p resolution isn't noticeable in real world, while difference between stabilized and unstabilized footage is clearly seen.

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Sympa Senior Member • Posts: 2,532
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DPR's studio scene is here: A6500/A6000/Competitors.

From the DPR A6500 review:

1080 video is surprisingly poor by current standards, even taking a step backward from the original a6000, and falling far behind what the company's own RX100 cameras are capable of.

So, what about going for an RX100 instead? Truly smaller, great in other ways. Hmmm, the IV is the first with 4k, the V the first with PDAF. Expensive.

Also, the smaller sensor leads to skies being blown out rather quickly, at least on my RX100 (mk1).

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BrentSchumer
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voronspb wrote:

Keep A6500, as it has the IBIS, and very soon you'll find yourself surrounded by unstabilized lenses, which are quite useless for video shooting on A6000.

Subtle difference in 1080p resolution isn't noticeable in real world, while difference between stabilized and unstabilized footage is clearly seen.

I mean that's a valid point.  Though I'd rather shoot with a gimbal than rely on IBIS, as the Sony APSC implementation isn't as steady as M43 or Fuji.

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voronspb
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Anyway, the difference between FHD quality between A6000 and A6500 is so minimal, than it's not field relevant IMHO. While A6500 itself is vastly better camera.

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BrentSchumer
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voronspb wrote:

Anyway, the difference between FHD quality between A6000 and A6500 is so minimal, than it's not field relevant IMHO. While A6500 itself is vastly better camera.

Yeah I'd go with the A6500 myself, but he specifically asked about IQ.

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PadPoet
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Re: Went FF (A7RIII) which APS-C body to keep?

Thanks for all the replies guys. I need to sit down and compare 1080p footage from both cameras.

If the difference in 1080p quality is very little then I'd rather let the A6000 go.

On another note I don't consider the IBIS on the A6500 to be a game changer. It's very mediocre so if I would choose to go super stable with my footage I would go with a gimbal in the future.

I remember reading the A6500 original review which mentioned the "soft" 1080p footage but I was wondering if any firmware updates since then addressed this "issue" On another note the YouTube guys have also split opinions. Some say it's soft and the difference can be seen, others say it's not really that big of a deal as people make it out to be.

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BrentSchumer
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PadPoet wrote:

Thanks for all the replies guys. I need to sit down and compare 1080p footage from both cameras.

If the difference in 1080p quality is very little then I'd rather let the A6000 go.

On another note I don't consider the IBIS on the A6500 to be a game changer. It's very mediocre so if I would choose to go super stable with my footage I would go with a gimbal in the future.

I remember reading the A6500 original review which mentioned the "soft" 1080p footage but I was wondering if any firmware updates since then addressed this "issue" On another note the YouTube guys have also split opinions. Some say it's soft and the difference can be seen, others say it's not really that big of a deal as people make it out to be.

As always, your eyes are the best source to trust!

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abe4652 Senior Member • Posts: 2,564
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Get an A6600 and return the A7Riii.

I don't know how anyone can stand focusing with the A7riii after having used the A6600.

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abe4652 wrote:

Get an A6600 and return the A7Riii.

I don't know how anyone can stand focusing with the A7riii after having used the A6600.

Care to elaborate on the focus of the A7Riii vs the A6600?  Just curious

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abe4652 Senior Member • Posts: 2,564
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darkmcs wrote:

abe4652 wrote:

Get an A6600 and return the A7Riii.

I don't know how anyone can stand focusing with the A7riii after having used the A6600.

Care to elaborate on the focus of the A7Riii vs the A6600? Just curious

It's been a while since I owned the A7Riii.

I got the A6600 as a backup, and after using it a while, found that I just couldn't handle the relative slowness of the A7Riii. Don't pay attention to reviews. just go to a camera store and try it out yourself.

BrentSchumer
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darkmcs wrote:

abe4652 wrote:

Get an A6600 and return the A7Riii.

I don't know how anyone can stand focusing with the A7riii after having used the A6600.

Care to elaborate on the focus of the A7Riii vs the A6600? Just curious

A6100/A6400/A6600/A9/A9ii/A7RIV have the same autofocus system with their newer processors.

A7iii/A7Riii lack the fastest/most reliable eye-AF and tracking.

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sinnerz2000 Regular Member • Posts: 344
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BrentSchumer wrote:

darkmcs wrote:

abe4652 wrote:

Get an A6600 and return the A7Riii.

I don't know how anyone can stand focusing with the A7riii after having used the A6600.

Care to elaborate on the focus of the A7Riii vs the A6600? Just curious

A6100/A6400/A6600/A9/A9ii/A7RIV have the same autofocus system with their newer processors.

A7iii/A7Riii lack the fastest/most reliable eye-AF and tracking.

The A9's are a class apart but, yea, the others I can agree with.

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abe4652 Senior Member • Posts: 2,564
Re: Went FF (A7RIII) which APS-C body to keep?

BrentSchumer wrote:

darkmcs wrote:

abe4652 wrote:

Get an A6600 and return the A7Riii.

I don't know how anyone can stand focusing with the A7riii after having used the A6600.

Care to elaborate on the focus of the A7Riii vs the A6600? Just curious

A6100/A6400/A6600/A9/A9ii/A7RIV have the same autofocus system with their newer processors.

A7iii/A7Riii lack the fastest/most reliable eye-AF and tracking.

You sure about the A7RIV?

I think I tried it out last year and it didn't seem as fast as the later A6600.

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