My thought process to determine my next, and hopefully last upgrade, for some time -

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Max Iso
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My thought process to determine my next, and hopefully last upgrade, for some time -
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I just thought it would be fun to share the process (like story time!) now that im fairly confident it's over. I won't buy for another month or so, maybe a bit sooner, but i HATE buyer's remorse so times like these i err on the side of caution. This is a hobby and i have a family so i only let myself spend so much every so often. With that said, here are some thoughts and bullet points.

I started looking at the M6II as im using an M50 and 3 EF lenses, but it didn't take long to realize it's missing some fairly modern features i've already been missing on my M50. I like using E shutter, i like to use it with bursts if need be (i shoot a lot of candid portraits), and since the M6Ii was the highest end Canon ML in my budget, well that meant no more Canon.

I do have 3 lenses still in MFT from former bodies i owned so that was an option. The one that stood out, the EM1.2, it has new life breathed into it with FW last year. Improved AF especially in video, amazing IBIS, great ergos, lots of buttons ect. And it can be had for under $800 used. Save the EM1.2 for later.

I marked off Sony for several reasons, colors, slow E shutter readout speeds. The only Nikon in my price range is the M50 but after body and lenses, even adapter plus F mount glass, it's just overpriced IMO. Not enough umph for the feature set i want and my budget. That leaves only Fuji...

The XT30 was the one calling my name. XT3 is great but a bit too steep used when i factor in needing glass too (even if it's just the $250 adapter for EF). XT2 and older models are not advanced enough. Below are a few bullet points comparing what i felt the XT30 offered in comparison to the EM1.2 in MFT. Keep in mind this is just what seems to appeal to my uses and is by no means an objective listing of good and bad.

EM1.II- $800 or less used

  • $250 less up front (won't need to buy an adapter for EF glass)
  • IBIS
  • Very fast sensor readout
  • 3 lenses at time of my purchase
  • Bigger EVF than XT30
  • Super rez mode
  • Larger grip, more buttons ect
  • Dual card slots
  • AF distance limiter

XT30 - $800 or less used

  • USB charging and powered during operation
  • Faster/better CAF
  • Faster burst rates of 20/30 fps with no blackout or freeze frames
  • Better eye/face AF
  • Better color output, especially in video with Eterna
  • 120p slowmo with eye/face AF
  • Tilting screen (i really don't like FAS)
  • Greater DOF control with larger sensor and available glass

So, as you can see there are quite a few points for each. Going back and forth can be maddening, it's so easy to get stuck in that analysis paralysis. I tried to sort of condense them to an average, and i concluded that much of the Olympus advantage was convenience but didn't necessarily translate into better looking photos. Larger grip, more buttons, larger EVF, dual card slots, i like these features but they don't have much direct connection to how the photos actually look.

The one that does is IBIS but on the other hand, there's a lot of instances where IBIS does absolutely nothing to improve IQ, using flash, daylight shooting, ect. The Fuji on the other hand, it's larger sensor and greater DOF control, it's AMAZING film simulations, those factor in to EVERY SHOT i will take. That just seemed more valuable. But..... There was one nagging issue i was very worried about and that's rolling shutter warping.

As i mention, i love shooting silently for many reasons but not if it distorts photos regularly, so i was weary of how the XT30 sensor readout speeds were and i had no luck finding an actual figure. But i did find THIS VIDEO where a guy shoots 30fps bursts of a dancer jumping through the air. I saw no noticeable warping (ie rolling shutter) and he didn't mention anything. Whew, that sealed the deal.

It was the one nagging issue i was worried about so TY to the guy who put that video up. Im super excited to get my XT30 and try out my EF glass and whatever else i acquire over time. I imagine my XT30 will suite my needs just fine for sometime, maybe till the XT5 is here the the XT4 drops in price a bit

Cheers and feel free to comment on whatever you like.

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ichollad Regular Member • Posts: 100
Re: My thought process to determine my next, and hopefully last upgrade, for some time -

If you haven't already, you might want to handle an X-T30 before you buy - I got one last year and really struggled with how small it is (grip and EVF/eyecup).  Clearly it still works great for a lot of people, but I was definitely left with some of the buyer's remorse that you're trying to avoid

Otherwise I've really enjoyed Fuji's ecosystem, and the images are great.  I found the dial system far more appealing than I thought I would.

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Max Iso
OP Max Iso Senior Member • Posts: 8,652
Re: My thought process to determine my next, and hopefully last upgrade, for some time -

ichollad wrote:

If you haven't already, you might want to handle an X-T30 before you buy - I got one last year and really struggled with how small it is (grip and EVF/eyecup). Clearly it still works great for a lot of people, but I was definitely left with some of the buyer's remorse that you're trying to avoid

Otherwise I've really enjoyed Fuji's ecosystem, and the images are great. I found the dial system far more appealing than I thought I would.

I appreciate the heads up and yep that was one thing i looked at along the way to make sure it would work and i will definitely buy the addon grip or cage. The body is almost the exact same size as my M50 (i don't have a cage/grip), the M50's grip is a bit bigger which is why i know i will want the addon for the Fuji.

Im also gonna be adding a pretty wild power bank setup to it where all the extra weight is attached to the tripod screw which will lower the center of gravity and make the balance much better.

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Crashton
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Re: My thought process to determine my next, and hopefully last upgrade, for some time -

By all accounts the X-T30 is a very good camera. Rather than buy used you can get a new one for $899. I usually by all my camera gear used, but in this case new makes sense.

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Max Iso
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Re: My thought process to determine my next, and hopefully last upgrade, for some time -

Crashton wrote:

By all accounts the X-T30 is a very good camera. Rather than buy used you can get a new one for $899. I usually by all my camera gear used, but in this case new makes sense.

I have been thinking that over, maybe if i earn a few more brownie points i can get the wife to look the other way, i'll have to wait and see. I would much rather have a legit warranty and such, i also usually buy used but that's often at a huge discount like my G9 i got for $1004 which was like $700 off.

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Artur Darulewski Regular Member • Posts: 114
Re: My thought process to determine my next, and hopefully last upgrade, for some time -

If you haven't already, you might want to handle an X-T30 before you buy - I got one last year and really struggled with how small it is (grip and EVF/eyecup).

X-Txx are small indeed, but adding hand grip and eyecup improves handling and usability.

I had no problems with X-T20 + XF 100-400, but bigger bodies like X-Tx/H1 are much better for bulky lenses.

On the other side for small primes like 27/2.8, 23/2 or 35/2 I would definitely get X-T30. For me it,s a perfect balance between size and comfort in use.

To be honest I don't have X-T30 and I cannot confirm if "new" position of Q-button would be a problem for me, but I'm very happy with X-T20. The only problem with this body comparing to my second X-T3 is lack of possibility to use front dial for ISO settings.

I like X-T3 very much as well and It's my primary choice in most situation, but for biking, street or candid shoots small X-T20 fits better.

Overall I can say Fuji-X system is perfect for me, but If I had bigger budget I would consider Sony A7R4 + 200-600 instead X-T3 + 100-400 for wildlife only (it would provide more reach with APSC crop)

Cheers,

Artur

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