if Fuji made a monochrome gfx 50r .... would you buy it ?

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rbf Regular Member • Posts: 214
Re: if Fuji made a monochrome gfx 50r .... would you buy it ?

JimKasson wrote:

Stan Disbrow wrote:

Hi,

I had that on the old 460m. It did work well. Slow, of course. I think product shooter would make good use of a GFX mono and a wheel.

You have to know some color science to figure out how many segments you need and what their passbands should look like, then to construct a way to convert the spectral planes to colors. Not for the faint of heart or math (especially linear algebra) challenged.

Jim

Maybe a program could be written to do the conversion? Do you think this could be generalized into a tool that automates it?

Greg7579
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Re: if Fuji made a monochrome gfx 50r .... would you buy it ?

JimKasson wrote:

Stan Disbrow wrote:

Hi,

I had that on the old 460m. It did work well. Slow, of course. I think product shooter would make good use of a GFX mono and a wheel.

You have to know some color science to figure out how many segments you need and what their passbands should look like, then to construct a way to convert the spectral planes to colors. Not for the faint of heart or math (especially linear algebra) challenged.

Jim

You guys are all amateur color scientists. If you want to learn about this complex topic, you need to cruise over to the Fuji Board and read what Homo Erectus and Chris D wrote. It is classic! Here it is. Enjoy! Made my notes Jim....

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/64078578

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rbf wrote:

JimKasson wrote:

Stan Disbrow wrote:

Hi,

I had that on the old 460m. It did work well. Slow, of course. I think product shooter would make good use of a GFX mono and a wheel.

You have to know some color science to figure out how many segments you need and what their passbands should look like, then to construct a way to convert the spectral planes to colors. Not for the faint of heart or math (especially linear algebra) challenged.

Jim

Maybe a program could be written to do the conversion? Do you think this could be generalized into a tool that automates it?

Yes, of course you'd want to do the conversion automatically. If this became popular, it might make sense to sell a program that worked with a specific filter set and converted the captures to a colorimetric space. That would eliminate the requirement for color science expertise on the part of the user.

But I think the market is quite small. Museums, mostly, I'm guessing.

Jim

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Greg7579 wrote:

JimKasson wrote:

Stan Disbrow wrote:

Hi,

I had that on the old 460m. It did work well. Slow, of course. I think product shooter would make good use of a GFX mono and a wheel.

You have to know some color science to figure out how many segments you need and what their passbands should look like, then to construct a way to convert the spectral planes to colors. Not for the faint of heart or math (especially linear algebra) challenged.

Jim

You guys are all amateur color scientists. If you want to learn about this complex topic, you need to cruise over to the Fuji Board and read what Homo Erectus and Chris D wrote. It is classic! Here it is. Enjoy! Made my notes Jim....

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/64078578

I'm not touching that one.

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rbf Regular Member • Posts: 214
Re: if Fuji made a monochrome gfx 50r .... would you buy it ?

JimKasson wrote:

rbf wrote:

JimKasson wrote:

Stan Disbrow wrote:

Hi,

I had that on the old 460m. It did work well. Slow, of course. I think product shooter would make good use of a GFX mono and a wheel.

You have to know some color science to figure out how many segments you need and what their passbands should look like, then to construct a way to convert the spectral planes to colors. Not for the faint of heart or math (especially linear algebra) challenged.

Jim

Maybe a program could be written to do the conversion? Do you think this could be generalized into a tool that automates it?

Yes, of course you'd want to do the conversion automatically. If this became popular, it might make sense to sell a program that worked with a specific filter set and converted the captures to a colorimetric space. That would eliminate the requirement for color science expertise on the part of the user.

But I think the market is quite small. Museums, mostly, I'm guessing.

Jim

This is interesting to me. Maybe it's to work on my understanding of color science it's a particularly weak spot for me.

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rbf wrote:

JimKasson wrote:

rbf wrote:

JimKasson wrote:

Stan Disbrow wrote:

Hi,

I had that on the old 460m. It did work well. Slow, of course. I think product shooter would make good use of a GFX mono and a wheel.

You have to know some color science to figure out how many segments you need and what their passbands should look like, then to construct a way to convert the spectral planes to colors. Not for the faint of heart or math (especially linear algebra) challenged.

Jim

Maybe a program could be written to do the conversion? Do you think this could be generalized into a tool that automates it?

Yes, of course you'd want to do the conversion automatically. If this became popular, it might make sense to sell a program that worked with a specific filter set and converted the captures to a colorimetric space. That would eliminate the requirement for color science expertise on the part of the user.

But I think the market is quite small. Museums, mostly, I'm guessing.

Jim

This is interesting to me. Maybe it's to work on my understanding of color science it's a particularly weak spot for me.

I always recommend starting with this book:

https://www.amazon.com/Measuring-Colour-R-W-Hunt/dp/1119975379

Jim

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rbf Regular Member • Posts: 214
Re: if Fuji made a monochrome gfx 50r .... would you buy it ?

JimKasson wrote:

rbf wrote:

JimKasson wrote:

rbf wrote:

JimKasson wrote:

Stan Disbrow wrote:

Hi,

I had that on the old 460m. It did work well. Slow, of course. I think product shooter would make good use of a GFX mono and a wheel.

You have to know some color science to figure out how many segments you need and what their passbands should look like, then to construct a way to convert the spectral planes to colors. Not for the faint of heart or math (especially linear algebra) challenged.

Jim

Maybe a program could be written to do the conversion? Do you think this could be generalized into a tool that automates it?

Yes, of course you'd want to do the conversion automatically. If this became popular, it might make sense to sell a program that worked with a specific filter set and converted the captures to a colorimetric space. That would eliminate the requirement for color science expertise on the part of the user.

But I think the market is quite small. Museums, mostly, I'm guessing.

Jim

This is interesting to me. Maybe it's to work on my understanding of color science it's a particularly weak spot for me.

I always recommend starting with this book:

https://www.amazon.com/Measuring-Colour-R-W-Hunt/dp/1119975379

Jim

Thanks for the recommendation! It's ordered.2

Greg7579
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Re: if Fuji made a monochrome gfx 50r .... would you buy it ?

JimKasson wrote:

Greg7579 wrote:

JimKasson wrote:

Stan Disbrow wrote:

Hi,

I had that on the old 460m. It did work well. Slow, of course. I think product shooter would make good use of a GFX mono and a wheel.

You have to know some color science to figure out how many segments you need and what their passbands should look like, then to construct a way to convert the spectral planes to colors. Not for the faint of heart or math (especially linear algebra) challenged.

Jim

You guys are all amateur color scientists. If you want to learn about this complex topic, you need to cruise over to the Fuji Board and read what Homo Erectus and Chris D wrote. It is classic! Here it is. Enjoy! Made my notes Jim....

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/64078578

I'm not touching that one.

You need to face your fear of science and scientists head on.  Notice how I dove right in with total confidence.  I owe it all to you Jim.  Weren't you proud when I started lecturing on the importance of calibrated monitors and the use of color cards?  😁

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Hi,

True, that. Kodak had such software to go with their product back in the day. Of course they did. They were Eastman Kodak.

That was about the time the called their stuff  Kodak Digital Science. Wasn't none of it cheap, though. The 460 series was $30k.

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Re: if Fuji made a monochrome gfx 50r .... would you buy it ?

Greg7579 wrote:

JimKasson wrote:

Greg7579 wrote:

JimKasson wrote:

Stan Disbrow wrote:

Hi,

I had that on the old 460m. It did work well. Slow, of course. I think product shooter would make good use of a GFX mono and a wheel.

You have to know some color science to figure out how many segments you need and what their passbands should look like, then to construct a way to convert the spectral planes to colors. Not for the faint of heart or math (especially linear algebra) challenged.

Jim

You guys are all amateur color scientists. If you want to learn about this complex topic, you need to cruise over to the Fuji Board and read what Homo Erectus and Chris D wrote. It is classic! Here it is. Enjoy! Made my notes Jim....

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/64078578

I'm not touching that one.

You need to face your fear of science and scientists head on. Notice how I dove right in with total confidence. I owe it all to you Jim. Weren't you proud when I started lecturing on the importance of calibrated monitors and the use of color cards? 😁

I broke down and jumped in:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/64092585

It's a slow day.

Jim

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pumanger Junior Member • Posts: 38
Re: if Fuji made a monochrome gfx 50r .... would you buy it ?

For the price of normal 50R, I would take the mono version. I have no use for color and would love to have a 50R without all the setting that deal with colors.

rockygag Senior Member • Posts: 1,314
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The 50R shoots color? Should probably look at my raw settings 😂

Dave

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No, not for me...

Stan Disbrow
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Hi,

Ha! That's a good one!

Stan

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