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The Fuji S5 Pro, my most filmic camera

Started Jun 22, 2020 | Discussions
bobogdan78 Forum Member • Posts: 60
Re: The Fuji S5 Pro, my most filmic camera

I think you can find it on the Fuji S5 Flickr group, the first discussion, hope the link is still valid.

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Neil-O Contributing Member • Posts: 593
Re: The Fuji S5 Pro, my most filmic camera

bobogdan78 wrote:

I think you can find it on the Fuji S5 Flickr group, the first discussion, hope the link is still valid.

It is.

I'm surprised though that the mod who has the link seemingly prefers to use Lightroom.  It didn't take me long to realise that despite the infuriating interface and slowness of HU3, it is the only sure way of extracting the richness from S5pro files.

I wouldn't recommend trying to sharpen the images in HU3 though, there are far better ways to do it in modern software.

fPrime
OP fPrime Veteran Member • Posts: 3,727
Re: The Fuji S5 Pro, my most filmic camera

Neil-O wrote:

bobogdan78 wrote:

I think you can find it on the Fuji S5 Flickr group, the first discussion, hope the link is still valid.

It is.

I'm surprised though that the mod who has the link seemingly prefers to use Lightroom. It didn't take me long to realise that despite the infuriating interface and slowness of HU3, it is the only sure way of extracting the richness from S5pro files.

I wouldn't recommend trying to sharpen the images in HU3 though, there are far better ways to do it in modern software.

The S5 Pro is notoriously soft coming out of Hyper Utility unsharpened. What sharpening process are you using to sharpen?

fPrime

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bobogdan78 Forum Member • Posts: 60
Re: The Fuji S5 Pro, my most filmic camera
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fPrime wrote:

The S5 Pro is notoriously soft coming out of Hyper Utility unsharpened. What sharpening process are you using to sharpen?

Although the question wasn't addressed to me I'll share my opinion, maybe others find it useful - I use HU3 merely as a raw converter to tiff then all the post processing (if needed) is done in Photoshop. For sharpening - change the image mode to 'Lab' and then select only the 'Lightness' channel. Then apply your favourite sharpening method 'smart sharpen' or ' unsharp mask' and after that switch back to 'RGB' image mode. Going through Lab/Lightness reduces the artifacts generated by the sharpening process. This method was recommended by some 'Fuji S5 veterans' and it seems to do a good job, I always use it.

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Giovanni_1968
Giovanni_1968 Veteran Member • Posts: 3,916
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In my opinion the S5Pro was/is a JPG camera for more than one reason, first being colors and WB being already so good on JPG that no need to bother with RAF, second being the HU3 being a way more sluggish piece of software, in comparison the S5Pro burst rate is a machine gun...

I am not that picky, even when from time to time I shoot with it I find LR to do a good job, HU3 has seen little use just for the sake of curiosity back in time but on a Mac it was so very slow and cumbersome that I gave it up before it became uncompatible with Intel Macs

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fPrime
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Re: The Fuji S5 Pro, my most filmic camera

bobogdan78 wrote:

fPrime wrote:

The S5 Pro is notoriously soft coming out of Hyper Utility unsharpened. What sharpening process are you using to sharpen?

Although the question wasn't addressed to me I'll share my opinion, maybe others find it useful - I use HU3 merely as a raw converter to tiff then all the post processing (if needed) is done in Photoshop. For sharpening - change the image mode to 'Lab' and then select only the 'Lightness' channel. Then apply your favourite sharpening method 'smart sharpen' or ' unsharp mask' and after that switch back to 'RGB' image mode. Going through Lab/Lightness reduces the artifacts generated by the sharpening process. This method was recommended by some 'Fuji S5 veterans' and it seems to do a good job, I always use it.

Thanks, Bob. That’s basically what I do as well (HU3 to TIFF then LAB mode to sharpen).

I am interested in specifically what settings others are using to sharpen with. Personally I’ve been using Smart Sharpen (100/1/10) but hoping that Neil has found an alternative method.

Personally I’m looking to emulate the sharpening level that HU3 delivers via its “Hard” sharpening setting, but with fewer artifacts.

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Neil-O Contributing Member • Posts: 593
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fPrime wrote:

Neil-O wrote:

bobogdan78 wrote:

I think you can find it on the Fuji S5 Flickr group, the first discussion, hope the link is still valid.

It is.

I'm surprised though that the mod who has the link seemingly prefers to use Lightroom. It didn't take me long to realise that despite the infuriating interface and slowness of HU3, it is the only sure way of extracting the richness from S5pro files.

I wouldn't recommend trying to sharpen the images in HU3 though, there are far better ways to do it in modern software.

The S5 Pro is notoriously soft coming out of Hyper Utility unsharpened. What sharpening process are you using to sharpen?

fPrime

I tend to use Topaz AI Sharpen most of the time simply because I've found the (Stabilize) auto setting to be so reliable there's no need to play around with the sliders.  I started using Topaz as a way of sharpening scanned film and to me the basic HU3 tiff files look very much like unsharpened film scans.

I have done side by side comparisons using PS smart sharpen and I think Topaz has the edge, but not by much.   Where Topaz does score is the way it keeps noise down at the same time - this isn't a big deal with S5 files as you are not using high ISO values but it's certainly invaluable when scanning film.

OTOH Topaz is slow, and I suspect will infuriate many photographers especially those raised in the digital age, but if you are processing with HU3 you already know about slow...

saltydogstudios
saltydogstudios Senior Member • Posts: 2,451
Re: The Fuji S5 Pro, my most filmic camera

Giovanni_1968 wrote:

In my opinion the S5Pro was/is a JPG camera for more than one reason, first being colors and WB being already so good on JPG that no need to bother with RAF, second being the HU3 being a way more sluggish piece of software, in comparison the S5Pro burst rate is a machine gun...

I am not that picky, even when from time to time I shoot with it I find LR to do a good job, HU3 has seen little use just for the sake of curiosity back in time but on a Mac it was so very slow and cumbersome that I gave it up before it became uncompatible with Intel Macs

Great photo.

Reminds me of these photos by the great Steve McCurry.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CCG4GgBHEXL/

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progo Regular Member • Posts: 238
Re: The Fuji S5 Pro, my most filmic camera

Hello and sorry for the bump.  Not sorry actually. This is a good thread and nice content here, and S5 Pro is as current as ever.

I am considering this camera but I have concerns about raw workflow: will my tools (darktable and rawtherapee under Linux) actually understand the S/R pixel structure at all, or will they operate on just one half of the pixels, wasting all of the DR benefit. I can also experiment with HyperUtility but mainly to compare with DT/RT.

I found a total of two raw sample files from old threads and they are not necessarily the best files because I don't know their settings and whatnot. (There has been a plenty of sample raws floating around, but the links have rotted after all these years.)

So my kind ask would be for someone to (re)upload some RAF files that demonstratably  have the dynamic range to play with. Something I and other interested parties can compare to.

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Giovanni_1968
Giovanni_1968 Veteran Member • Posts: 3,916
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progo wrote:

Hello and sorry for the bump. Not sorry actually. This is a good thread and nice content here, and S5 Pro is as current as ever.

I am considering this camera but I have concerns about raw workflow: will my tools (darktable and rawtherapee under Linux) actually understand the S/R pixel structure at all, or will they operate on just one half of the pixels, wasting all of the DR benefit. I can also experiment with HyperUtility but mainly to compare with DT/RT.

I found a total of two raw sample files from old threads and they are not necessarily the best files because I don't know their settings and whatnot. (There has been a plenty of sample raws floating around, but the links have rotted after all these years.)

So my kind ask would be for someone to (re)upload some RAF files that demonstratably have the dynamic range to play with. Something I and other interested parties can compare to.

Send me a private message with your email and which kind of photo would you like to have taken, lens, aperture bla bla bla and I will be glad to send you a .raf file

Best regards

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