Of the G1X IV, G3X II and the state of things...

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0lf
0lf Senior Member • Posts: 1,241
G1x IV options
  • Keep the shape, use a brighter and/or longer lens. The G1x3 is not really pocketable anyway with its big EVF hump, so move toward more ambitious but bigger lens.
  • Keep the lens, but use the G5x2 form factor (popup EVF, tilt screen). Make the G1x truly pocketable.

What would you prefer for G1x4 ?

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OP RLight Senior Member • Posts: 2,555
Re: G1x IV options

0lf wrote:

  • Keep the shape, use a brighter and/or longer lens. The G1x3 is not really pocketable anyway with its big EVF hump, so move toward more ambitious but bigger lens.
  • Keep the lens, but use the G5x2 form factor (popup EVF, tilt screen). Make the G1x truly pocketable.

What would you prefer for G1x4 ?

Me?

90D Sensor, DIGICX and a fast 24-120 lens... By fast, I mean G1X Mark II fast, which is ironically, f/4-8

It can be done, the new RF 24-105 f/4-7.1 is 395g, they can do it again. It may not pocket, but who cares? I loved the twin front dial and "fast" lens of the G1X Mark II.

The G5X Mark II does 24-120 f/4.9-7.6 with good image quality, and pockets. So 24-120 f/4-8 with APS-C although heavier and larger, would be worth it I think, and do-able. I understand it's going to weigh 600g.

I'd prefer a weather sealed body and DSLR "hump" with EVF. But a pop-up EVF is fine too.

I'd prefer a fully articulating screen but a tilt is fine.

An alternative formula...

It'd be nice to have a 15-45 f/1.8-3.5 lens with the 90D sensor and DIGICX, that is a true f/2.8-5.6 FF equivalence with a crop sensor. That'd be vicious. I like my reach, but the speed indoors? That's pretty enticing.

Lastly if I'm on a "wish list"?

Canon should make their own fixed prime crop-sensor point and shoot ala X100, or, fixed prime FF-sensor point and shoot ala Leica Q. The latter, and say 28mm f/2? I'd be in heaven. Take my money Canon!

Probably never happen.

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nolten Contributing Member • Posts: 561
Re: G1x IV options

I've said my piece above but I'll add this observation:  Some of you guys might get what you wish. I've owned a number of G series cameras and Canon seems to make significant changes between models.

I owned the G10 and it was very different for either the G9 or G11. Different lens speeds and ranges and different sensor sizes and densities; the G11 had fewer MP than the G10.

Likewise the G1XII lens was tweaked in a number of ways from the original G1X. I preferred the original, some preferred the II.

The G1XIII, IMHO, bears no resemblance to either of its X predecessors other than the "G" camera body shape and controls which first appeared, I think, with the G7.

I've always liked the G P&S but I've always skipped generations waiting for the combination of lens/sensor that suit my preferences. I assume therefore that the G1XIV will be unpredictably different again and not just a change to the latest sensor and Digic.

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Closing thoughts (for me)

nolten wrote:

I've said my piece above but I'll add this observation: Some of you guys might get what you wish. I've owned a number of G series cameras and Canon seems to make significant changes between models.

I owned the G10 and it was very different for either the G9 or G11. Different lens speeds and ranges and different sensor sizes and densities; the G11 had fewer MP than the G10.

Likewise the G1XII lens was tweaked in a number of ways from the original G1X. I preferred the original, some preferred the II.

The G1XIII, IMHO, bears no resemblance to either of its X predecessors other than the "G" camera body shape and controls which first appeared, I think, with the G7.

I've always liked the G P&S but I've always skipped generations waiting for the combination of lens/sensor that suit my preferences. I assume therefore that the G1XIV will be unpredictably different again and not just a change to the latest sensor and Digic.

I've been looking at different patents and combinations of mirrorless lenses this morning and have come away with a couple thoughts...

1. The G5X mark II lens, in fact, gives me equivalence to the G1X mark II, interestingly enough, and does it with a modern Sony 1" sensor. This is reminiscent of the G1X Mark II review where DPR correctly identified that using a larger, older sensor, married to a faster lens that it was too bad you couldn't combine them. The G5X Mark II, does in fact fulfill this omen.

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-powershot-g1-x-mark-ii/7

2. If, you look at patents and what others have done with mirrorless APS-C lenses, and apply some logic, Canon can do a smaller combination in a PowerShot G APS-C via fast normal zoom or fast 35 prime than the M can/could, but it's pretty darn close (think M200+EF-M 22mm f/2 STM vs X100V). Likewise, even comparing the RP + RF 35mm f/1.8 IS STM Macro to a Leica Q, they're really close in weight and size, but a fraction of the price, and you can swap the lens. We essentially have a much cheaper Leica Q, already... Fascinating.

I'm not sure what they'll do truth told. But I'm more impressed with what we have now (G5X Mark II, M system and R system) in the wake of the analysis though.

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