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A little question about Sigma 14-24 sunstar

Started Jun 4, 2020 | Questions
Jeff_0000 Senior Member • Posts: 1,003
A little question about Sigma 14-24 sunstar
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Hello. I want to purchase a wide angle lens that has great image quality and sunstars. A friend of mine was kind enough to lend me his Sigma 14-24 and said it was great for those requirements.

However, I have also heard that the Canon 16-35 f2.8 iii and f4 can produce marvellous sunstar and decent image quality. So, I am having a difficult time to pick one among them.

Today, I was able to capture a sunstar image (see below) with my friend's Sigma lens. It was taken during sunrise. Shot at 18mm and at f/22.

Do you think the sunstar produced by Sigma is decent against the Canon 16-35 f2.8 iii / f4?

Your thoughts are much appreciated

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WindwardHaole Senior Member • Posts: 1,550
Odd and even

This from add copy:

The Canon 16-35 f/2.8L II has 7 aperture blades which will create 14-point stars from specular highlights when very narrow apertures are used, the Canon 16-35 L IS f/4 has 9 rounded aperture blades which will create 18-point stars

This from Wikipedia:

Diffraction spikes due to non-circular apertures

Iris diaphragms with moving blades are used in most modern camera lenses to restrict the light received by the film or sensor. While manufacturers attempt to make the aperture circular for a pleasing bokeh, when stopped down to high f-numbers (small apertures), its shape tends towards a polygon with the same number of sides as blades. Diffraction spreads out light waves passing through the aperture perpendicular to the roughly-straight edge, each edge yielding two spikes 180° apart.[6] As the blades are uniformly distributed around the circle, on a diaphragm with an even number of blades, the diffraction spikes from blades on opposite sides overlap. Consequently, a diaphragm with n blades yields n spikes if n is even, and 2n spikes if n is odd.

ffabrici Senior Member • Posts: 1,353
Re: Odd and even

The shape of the iris blades has a significant impact on the quality and look f the sun stars. I prefer the sun stars sharper rather than diffuse and the latest iterations of Canon's 11-24L, 16-35L f/4 and 16-35L III are the best I have seen.

I think there is a recent dpreview article comparing sun stars from wide angle zooms.

OP Jeff_0000 Senior Member • Posts: 1,003
Re: Odd and even

Thank you for explaining the theory of how sunstars are possible on lenses. To get more spikes, I should probably get a lens with odd number of aperture blades.

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OP Jeff_0000 Senior Member • Posts: 1,003
Re: Odd and even

Thanks!

Are you implying that the sunstars from Sigma is diffused and not as sharp as the Canon lenses that you have mentioned? If not, do you think the sunstar on my images looks decent compared to the one from the Canon lenses?

I have also seen that video but it mainly focuses on mirrorless lenses (except the Canon EF Mark III). I think there should be differences between the DSLR and mirrorless versions of Sigma.

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ffabrici Senior Member • Posts: 1,353
Re: Odd and even

The Sigma 12-24ART sunstars I have seen are beautiful and quite identical to those produced by my Sigma 20ART, which in my opinion are a little less defined compared to my 12-24L and 16-35 L f/4.

I honestly think it is a matter of personal preference and taste and the 12-24ART is a fabulous and very impressive lens.

I suggest you check out this test to help you make the decision and you will be able to create amazing sunstars with both the Sigma and Canon lenses, whereas Nikon's Z-lens seems to have outperformed the rest.

https://www.dpreview.com/videos/4967878425/dpreview-tv-the-great-ultra-wide-sunstar-shootout

OP Jeff_0000 Senior Member • Posts: 1,003
Re: Odd and even

Thanks! You are right that the sunstar is really a subjective matter because we have different definitions for a beautiful sunstar.

I have compared my shot with other photos taken with Canon 16-35 F4. I realise that the rays from Canon is longer and that the centre is more defined than the Sigma. To me, Canon is a bit better than Sigma, by not much.

What I find interesting from the video is that the gap between the mirrorless Sigma and Canon is much larger than my above comparison. So, it could be that the DSLR version of 14-24 gives much better sunstar than the mirrorless version. Or, it could be related to the source of light. My above observation draws from comparing the sunstar when the photos are taken directly against the sun.

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