P900/950 or B700 owners please help!

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Sam808
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Re: P900/950 or B700 owners please help!

Bob A L wrote:

You need to try with on one of these Nikons = you might be surprised.

I don't like the B700 images. They are grainy. P900 and P950 images look better.
P950 has a huge price tag and for that price i can get a Panasonic FZ1000 II and a large UHS SD card.

I think my usage of a bridge camera would be as follow:

1- birds/animals up to 800mm 60%

2- 800mm+ 10%

3- landscape (wide angle) 5%

4- portrait (up to 75mm) 10%

5- Night/low light shots 10%

6- Macro 5%

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threed123
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Re: P900/950 or B700 owners please help!

Sam808 wrote:

OutsideTheMatrix wrote:

Sam808 wrote:

Wow! I think Nikon has excelled at digital zoom algorithms.

P1000 @ 12000mm. It's beyond imagination!

B700 @ 1440mm looks a little soft! Looks like the P950 lens is sharper.

If the P950s price drops below 1K I'll get one for sure.

I just did a quick test with the P900 at full zoom and digital zooms (both 2x dynamic and 4x):

at full optical zoom- f/7.1 resulted in the best image, at 2x f/7.1 was again the clear winner, but at 4x for some odd reason it came in last, with f/8 first and f/6.5 a close second......

Did you use tripod?

I don't think I can capture good photos beyond 2000mm handheld.

Mine are all handheld, single shots.

threed123
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Re: P900/950 or B700 owners please help!

Sam808 wrote:

Wow! I think Nikon has excelled at digital zoom algorithms.

P1000 @ 12000mm. It's beyond imagination!

B700 @ 1440mm looks a little soft! Looks like the P950 lens is sharper ai mqx optical zoom.

If the P950s price drops below 1K I'll get one for sure.

In the US, P950 price is around $800.

OutsideTheMatrix
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Re: P900/950 or B700 owners please help!
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jshen808 wrote:

OutsideTheMatrix wrote:

Sam808 wrote:

Wow! I think Nikon has excelled at digital zoom algorithms.

P1000 @ 12000mm. It's beyond imagination!

B700 @ 1440mm looks a little soft! Looks like the P950 lens is sharper.

If the P950s price drops below 1K I'll get one for sure.

I just did a quick test with the P900 at full zoom and digital zooms (both 2x dynamic and 4x):

at full optical zoom- f/7.1 resulted in the best image, at 2x f/7.1 was again the clear winner, but at 4x for some odd reason it came in last, with f/8 first and f/6.5 a close second......

Thanks for sharing your findings!

Cheers!

I'm redoing the 4x finding, since it seems to go against the others.  The others were done at 1/200 sec shutter speed, I'm doing the 4x comparison at 1/500 sec because of the more extreme zoom.

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OutsideTheMatrix
OutsideTheMatrix Senior Member • Posts: 6,619
Re: P900/950 or B700 owners please help!

Sam808 wrote:

OutsideTheMatrix wrote:

Sam808 wrote:

Wow! I think Nikon has excelled at digital zoom algorithms.

P1000 @ 12000mm. It's beyond imagination!

B700 @ 1440mm looks a little soft! Looks like the P950 lens is sharper.

If the P950s price drops below 1K I'll get one for sure.

I just did a quick test with the P900 at full zoom and digital zooms (both 2x dynamic and 4x):

at full optical zoom- f/7.1 resulted in the best image, at 2x f/7.1 was again the clear winner, but at 4x for some odd reason it came in last, with f/8 first and f/6.5 a close second......

Did you use tripod?

I don't think I can capture good photos beyond 2000mm handheld.

I'm redoing the test at 4x (8000mm EFL), making the shutter speed 1/500 sec instead of the 1/250 sec it was for the other two (which were 2000mm and 4000mm).....those were acceptably sharp but I think a 1/250 sec shutter speed is too much to ask for, even from this camera, at 8000mm EFL!

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OutsideTheMatrix
OutsideTheMatrix Senior Member • Posts: 6,619
Re: P900/950 or B700 owners please help!

Sam808 wrote:

Bob A L wrote:

You need to try with on one of these Nikons = you might be surprised.

I don't like the B700 images. They are grainy. P900 and P950 images look better.
P950 has a huge price tag and for that price i can get a Panasonic FZ1000 II and a large UHS SD card.

I think my usage of a bridge camera would be as follow:

1- birds/animals up to 800mm 60%

2- 800mm+ 10%

3- landscape (wide angle) 5%

4- portrait (up to 75mm) 10%

5- Night/low light shots 10%

6- Macro 5%

You're similar to me..... I do mostly birds, planets, the moon, some landscapes and sunsets, etc.  I decided to get the combo of EM10Mk2 + 75-300 lens (I already have the 14-42 and 40-150 lens and another M43 body, the EPL-6), and the P900, which can be had for less than half the price of the P950.  My reasoning is as follows: the EM10Mk2 is going to be a lot better than the P950 for night time and low light shots (and has a Live Composide mode to boot, which was just made for fireworks, northern lights, lightning, meteor showers, etc.) and for everything beyond 600mm EFL I'll use the P900.  The P950's bulb and timer mode wouldn't come into play because for all that stuff I'd be using my M43 gear anyway.  I dont have a tracking tripod so wouldn't be able to do long exposures of the sky beyond the M43's range either.  I use the LCD and I put antiglare antiscratch glass screens on all my cameras and dont use the EVF- which is a lot better on the P950.  But I might be upgrading to the P950 anyway because the P900 AF is very hit and miss.  I just need to make sure I can get a continuous power supply for it (a requirement for all my cameras because I do long timelapses.  4K manual movie mode might be a bonus, however I have read that doing  a lot of video can damage camera sensors, so I'm leery of that.  The only thing I'd miss is the BSS mode thats in the P900 but not later cameras, Best Shot Selection is really good!  I really like it for planets and birds and the moon because it keeps the best shot- the one taken with the best atmospheric conditions.)

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Sam808
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Re: P900/950 or B700 owners please help!

OutsideTheMatrix wrote:

Sam808 wrote:

OutsideTheMatrix wrote:

Sam808 wrote:

Wow! I think Nikon has excelled at digital zoom algorithms.

P1000 @ 12000mm. It's beyond imagination!

B700 @ 1440mm looks a little soft! Looks like the P950 lens is sharper.

If the P950s price drops below 1K I'll get one for sure.

I just did a quick test with the P900 at full zoom and digital zooms (both 2x dynamic and 4x):

at full optical zoom- f/7.1 resulted in the best image, at 2x f/7.1 was again the clear winner, but at 4x for some odd reason it came in last, with f/8 first and f/6.5 a close second......

Did you use tripod?

I don't think I can capture good photos beyond 2000mm handheld.

I'm redoing the test at 4x (8000mm EFL), making the shutter speed 1/500 sec instead of the 1/250 sec it was for the other two (which were 2000mm and 4000mm).....those were acceptably sharp but I think a 1/250 sec shutter speed is too much to ask for, even from this camera, at 8000mm EFL!

I looked at the the sample galleries of the P900, B700 and P950 at their long end of the zoom and pixel peeped to 100%. The image looks average but still acceptable. On the other hand the Sony RX10 III and Panasonic FZ1000 II with their 1" sensor are a head & shoulder above them.

I think for printing purposes the tiny 1/2.3" sensor will benefit from less pixels (i.e max 12MP).

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Sam808
OP Sam808 Regular Member • Posts: 152
Re: P900/950 or B700 owners please help!

OutsideTheMatrix wrote:

Sam808 wrote:

Bob A L wrote:

You need to try with on one of these Nikons = you might be surprised.

I don't like the B700 images. They are grainy. P900 and P950 images look better.
P950 has a huge price tag and for that price i can get a Panasonic FZ1000 II and a large UHS SD card.

I think my usage of a bridge camera would be as follow:

1- birds/animals up to 800mm 60%

2- 800mm+ 10%

3- landscape (wide angle) 5%

4- portrait (up to 75mm) 10%

5- Night/low light shots 10%

6- Macro 5%

You're similar to me..... I do mostly birds, planets, the moon, some landscapes and sunsets, etc. I decided to get the combo of EM10Mk2 + 75-300 lens (I already have the 14-42 and 40-150 lens and another M43 body, the EPL-6), and the P900, which can be had for less than half the price of the P950. My reasoning is as follows: the EM10Mk2 is going to be a lot better than the P950 for night time and low light shots (and has a Live Composide mode to boot, which was just made for fireworks, northern lights, lightning, meteor showers, etc.) and for everything beyond 600mm EFL I'll use the P900. The P950's bulb and timer mode wouldn't come into play because for all that stuff I'd be using my M43 gear anyway. I dont have a tracking tripod so wouldn't be able to do long exposures of the sky beyond the M43's range either. I use the LCD and I put antiglare antiscratch glass screens on all my cameras and dont use the EVF- which is a lot better on the P950. But I might be upgrading to the P950 anyway because the P900 AF is very hit and miss. I just need to make sure I can get a continuous power supply for it (a requirement for all my cameras because I do long timelapses. 4K manual movie mode might be a bonus, however I have read that doing a lot of video can damage camera sensors, so I'm leery of that. The only thing I'd miss is the BSS mode thats in the P900 but not later cameras, Best Shot Selection is really good! I really like it for planets and birds and the moon because it keeps the best shot- the one taken with the best atmospheric conditions.)

I'm trying to avoid ILCs altogether. Reason is I'm not a professional photographer and I'm happy to sacrifice some image quality for portability.

I think the 1" sensor cameras keep the balance between portability and image quality.

Why Nikon never released their so-called DL series, I wonder!

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Re: P900/950 or B700 owners please help!

Sam808 wrote:

Why Nikon never released their so-called DL series, I wonder!

This is what they said about the cancellation:

Everyone involved has worked very hard to develop products with which our customers will be satisfied,” writes Nikon. “However, it has been decided that sales of the DL series will be canceled due to concerns regarding their profitability considering the increase in development costs, and the drop in the number of expected sales due to the slow-down of the market.”

https://petapixel.com/2017/02/13/nikon-cancels-dl-series-amidst-extraordinary-loss-restructuring/

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Sam808
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Thanks for the link.

I think Canon and Sony found it profitable enough!

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OutsideTheMatrix
OutsideTheMatrix Senior Member • Posts: 6,619
Re: P900/950 or B700 owners please help!

Sam808 wrote:

OutsideTheMatrix wrote:

Sam808 wrote:

OutsideTheMatrix wrote:

Sam808 wrote:

Wow! I think Nikon has excelled at digital zoom algorithms.

P1000 @ 12000mm. It's beyond imagination!

B700 @ 1440mm looks a little soft! Looks like the P950 lens is sharper.

If the P950s price drops below 1K I'll get one for sure.

I just did a quick test with the P900 at full zoom and digital zooms (both 2x dynamic and 4x):

at full optical zoom- f/7.1 resulted in the best image, at 2x f/7.1 was again the clear winner, but at 4x for some odd reason it came in last, with f/8 first and f/6.5 a close second......

Did you use tripod?

I don't think I can capture good photos beyond 2000mm handheld.

I'm redoing the test at 4x (8000mm EFL), making the shutter speed 1/500 sec instead of the 1/250 sec it was for the other two (which were 2000mm and 4000mm).....those were acceptably sharp but I think a 1/250 sec shutter speed is too much to ask for, even from this camera, at 8000mm EFL!

I looked at the the sample galleries of the P900, B700 and P950 at their long end of the zoom and pixel peeped to 100%. The image looks average but still acceptable. On the other hand the Sony RX10 III and Panasonic FZ1000 II with their 1" sensor are a head & shoulder above them.

I think for printing purposes the tiny 1/2.3" sensor will benefit from less pixels (i.e max 12MP).

You're probably right..... and since you looked closely at both the P900 and P950 I'm curious (with the same settings) did you find a significant image quality difference between them?

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Sam808
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Re: P900/950 or B700 owners please help!
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You're probably right..... and since you looked closely at both the P900 and P950 I'm curious (with the same settings) did you find a significant image quality difference between them?

I only see a marginal improvement on P950 images. I bought the Panasonic FZ1000 Mk2 eventually since Nikon P950 was almost $200 more expensive than FZ1000 2. I won't call FZ1000/FZ1000 ii a super zoom camera though.

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OutsideTheMatrix
OutsideTheMatrix Senior Member • Posts: 6,619
Re: P900/950 or B700 owners please help!

Sam808 wrote:

You're probably right..... and since you looked closely at both the P900 and P950 I'm curious (with the same settings) did you find a significant image quality difference between them?

I only see a marginal improvement on P950 images. I bought the Panasonic FZ1000 Mk2 eventually since Nikon P950 was almost $200 more expensive than FZ1000 2. I won't call FZ1000/FZ1000 ii a super zoom camera though.

Yep, they really need to price the P950 better, they should slot the three P series cameras like this- P900 $300, P950 $500, P1000 $700.

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Labe
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OutsideTheMatrix wrote:

Sam808 wrote:

You're probably right..... and since you looked closely at both the P900 and P950 I'm curious (with the same settings) did you find a significant image quality difference between them?

I only see a marginal improvement on P950 images. I bought the Panasonic FZ1000 Mk2 eventually since Nikon P950 was almost $200 more expensive than FZ1000 2. I won't call FZ1000/FZ1000 ii a super zoom camera though.

Yep, they really need to price the P950 better, they should slot the three P series cameras like this- P900 $300, P950 $500, P1000 $700.

That won’t happen anytime soon . There is no competition for these long zooms .

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