P900/950 or B700 owners please help!

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Sam808
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P900/950 or B700 owners please help!
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Hi,

I think it's time for a new bridge camera! I've owned Panasonic FZ80/82 in the past but sold it. It's autofocus was good when taking photos but not so much in videos!

I tested the P900 in ths shop and although the hand grip was a bit small for me but I liked the 2000mm.

I watched a video on youtube that someone was comparing Panny FZ1000 vs FZ80 and the former had a slightly better image quality with iZoom enabled at 1200mm. It shows the advantages of a 1" sensor. So I'm thinking the same applies to both B700 and P900. Since the differaction will adversly effect the image quality at ong end of the zoom.

So theoretically the P900 image quality at 2000mm shouldnt be greater than a cropped 2mp image! (Due to diffrraction or maybe lens resolution).

I'd be grateful if someone could post a snapshot of a video at 1200mm and 2000mm on P900 and the 16mp image at same focal length for comparison.

I'm going to upscale the 1080p image using bicubic interpolation to match the 20mp image and then compare both! I'll upload the results here for conclusion.

For B700 or P950 I'd probably need to use both 1080p and 4k video snapshot for comparison! (If someone is interested please upload the photos).

Sam

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I found this thread https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4009141.

Downloaded the original image for both P900 image @ 2000mm and RX10 III @ 600mm and then up-scaled and slightly edited the image from Sony RX10 III.

Here's a 50% crop snap. what do you think?

To my eyes the 3.3x up-scaled image of the RX10 III is no match to the P900 image. I think up to 1200mm, RX10 III will have better image quality but definitely not at 2000mm!

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jshen808
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Sam808 wrote:

Hi,

I think it's time for a new bridge camera! <snip>

Personally, I think you should consider getting the *new* P950 camera.

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However, since you have brought up the 2000mm of the P900 camera,

below are two pictures from my P900 camera, they are full-size sooc jpegs.

Both pictures taken at 2000mm optical zoom, go ahead and pixel peep.

P900 @ 2000mm

P900 @ 2000mm

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Sam808
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jshen808 wrote:

Sam808 wrote:

Hi,

I think it's time for a new bridge camera! <snip>

Personally, I think you should consider getting the *new* P950 camera.

..

However, since you have brought up the 2000mm of the P900 camera,

below are two pictures from my P900 camera, they are full-size sooc jpegs.

Both pictures taken at 2000mm optical zoom, go ahead and pixel peep.

P900 @ 2000mm

P900 @ 2000mm

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Cheers!

Both photos look sharp @ 50% crop.

P950 is priced at $1350 AUD (including DF-M1 dot sight) and P900 I can buy it for $600.

I can buy the Pansonic FZ1000 II for $1200! Cheaper and better than P950 up to 1200mm.

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jshen808
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Re: P900/950 or B700 owners please help!

Sam808 wrote:

jshen808 wrote:

Sam808 wrote:

Hi,

I think it's time for a new bridge camera! <snip>

Personally, I think you should consider getting the *new* P950 camera.

..

However, since you have brought up the 2000mm of the P900 camera,

below are two pictures from my P900 camera, they are full-size sooc jpegs.

Both pictures taken at 2000mm optical zoom, go ahead and pixel peep.

P900 @ 2000mm

P900 @ 2000mm

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Cheers!

Both photos look sharp @ 50% crop.

P950 is priced at $1350 AUD (including DF-M1 dot sight) and P900 I can buy it for $600.

I can buy the Pansonic FZ1000 II for $1200! Cheaper and better than P950 up to 1200mm.

Here's a screen capture close-up of the first posted picture.

Screen capture close-up.

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The beauty of today's digital cameras,

glad to see the many variety of offerings.

There's enough flavors for everyone's tastes,

key thing to choose the camera that's right for you.

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Cheers!

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Sam808
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Re: P900/950 or B700 owners please help!

The details at such a long FL is really good.

P900 have few minor issues. Slow buffer and only shoots in jpeg. The evf is average which is an important feature for a superzoom cameras. I doubt anyone can use the lcd screen at such a long focal length.

Maybe B700 is a better option since it shoots raw and it retains more details.

There isn't much B700 vs P900 comparison on the web! So I cant decide wich one to pick.

I'd love to hear from someone who have/had both.

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Labe
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having owned the P900 and now using a P950 I can say you might be surprised just how they keep up with the fz/rx when you have to crop to match the reach of the Nikons .

Sorry I don't have any video footage to pull frames just yet but heres a couple of jpegs straight out of the P950 without any pp.

the first is handheld @2000mm equiv and the second is handheld @649mm equiv

hope these help you out.

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Sam808
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Wow! So beautiful and sharp! Great shots!

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sherman_levine
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Re: P900/950 or B700 owners please help!

Sam808 wrote:

Hi,

I think it's time for a new bridge camera! I've owned Panasonic FZ80/82 in the past but sold it. It's autofocus was good when taking photos but not so much in videos!

I tested the P900 in ths shop and although the hand grip was a bit small for me but I liked the 2000mm.

I watched a video on youtube that someone was comparing Panny FZ1000 vs FZ80 and the former had a slightly better image quality with iZoom enabled at 1200mm. It shows the advantages of a 1" sensor. So I'm thinking the same applies to both B700 and P900. Since the differaction will adversly effect the image quality at ong end of the zoom.

So theoretically the P900 image quality at 2000mm shouldnt be greater than a cropped 2mp image! (Due to diffrraction or maybe lens resolution).

I'd be grateful if someone could post a snapshot of a video at 1200mm and 2000mm on P900 and the 16mp image at same focal length for comparison.

I'm going to upscale the 1080p image using bicubic interpolation to match the 20mp image and then compare both! I'll upload the results here for conclusion.

For B700 or P950 I'd probably need to use both 1080p and 4k video snapshot for comparison! (If someone is interested please upload the photos).

Sam

I don't quite understand your question. Well-focused P950 images (and the P950 does focus much faster and more accurately than the P900) look fine at 100% (see samples in my signature link).  What would you learn by downsampling to  2mpx and then upsampling to 16mpx?

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Sam808
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Re: P900/950 or B700 owners please help!

sherman_levine wrote:

Sam808 wrote:

Hi,

I think it's time for a new bridge camera! I've owned Panasonic FZ80/82 in the past but sold it. It's autofocus was good when taking photos but not so much in videos!

I tested the P900 in ths shop and although the hand grip was a bit small for me but I liked the 2000mm.

I watched a video on youtube that someone was comparing Panny FZ1000 vs FZ80 and the former had a slightly better image quality with iZoom enabled at 1200mm. It shows the advantages of a 1" sensor. So I'm thinking the same applies to both B700 and P900. Since the differaction will adversly effect the image quality at ong end of the zoom.

So theoretically the P900 image quality at 2000mm shouldnt be greater than a cropped 2mp image! (Due to diffrraction or maybe lens resolution).

I'd be grateful if someone could post a snapshot of a video at 1200mm and 2000mm on P900 and the 16mp image at same focal length for comparison.

I'm going to upscale the 1080p image using bicubic interpolation to match the 20mp image and then compare both! I'll upload the results here for conclusion.

For B700 or P950 I'd probably need to use both 1080p and 4k video snapshot for comparison! (If someone is interested please upload the photos).

Sam

I don't quite understand your question. Well-focused P950 images (and the P950 does focus much faster and more accurately than the P900) look fine at 100% (see samples in my signature link). What would you learn by downsampling to 2mpx and then upsampling to 16mpx?

Hi Sherm,

I really liked your flicker albums. Looks like you had quite few superzooms so maybe you can clear up some doubts. I've read somewhere on the web/ that the max image quality of the P900 max zoom is somewhere between 2mp to 4mp. Therefore an equivalent cropped and upscaled image of a dslr camera with shorter FL will match the quality of P900 @ 2000mm.

Lets say we have a dslr with 400mm lens and higher megapixel such as 36mp. The cropped image down to 2mp will match the P900 full zoom image @ 2000mm.

I was gonna test it out by comparing a upscaled fhd snapshot of the video to the 20mp image and see if there really is any visible differences.

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jshen808
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Sam808 wrote:

The details at such a long FL is really good.

P900 have few minor issues. Slow buffer and only shoots in jpeg. The evf is average which is an important feature for a superzoom cameras. I doubt anyone can use the lcd screen at such a long focal length.

Maybe B700 is a better option since it shoots raw and it retains more details.

There isn't much B700 vs P900 comparison on the web! So I cant decide wich one to pick.

I'd love to hear from someone who have/had both.

There's no such thing as a "perfect" camera.

Instead of focusing on the weakness of the camera,

it's better to just use the camera to take beautiful pictures.

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Since you have the FZ80, which is a nice compact-size superzoom.

Recommend for you to probably get the P950 mid-size camera.

But if you want the B700, which is also a compact-size camera.

Or, like you have mentioned, you could also consider the FZ1000.

Or, as you have also mentioned from the link, maybe the RX10.

However, both the FZ1000 & RX10 cameras are limited in the zoom range.

They are all good cameras to choose from, no need getting confused.

In my opinion, they are all "winners", just pick one that you are attracted to.

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Hey, noticed your DPR name have an "808",

could be you're from the Hawaiian islands.

Well, here's a picture for you that I took.

P900 camera, sooc jpeg.

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Cheers!

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Sam808
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Re: P900/950 or B700 owners please help!

jshen808 wrote:

Sam808 wrote:

The details at such a long FL is really good.

P900 have few minor issues. Slow buffer and only shoots in jpeg. The evf is average which is an important feature for a superzoom cameras. I doubt anyone can use the lcd screen at such a long focal length.

Maybe B700 is a better option since it shoots raw and it retains more details.

There isn't much B700 vs P900 comparison on the web! So I cant decide wich one to pick.

I'd love to hear from someone who have/had both.

There's no such thing as a "perfect" camera.

Instead of focusing on the weakness of the camera,

it's better to just use the camera to take beautiful pictures.

..

Since you have the FZ80, which is a nice compact-size superzoom.

Recommend for you to probably get the P950 mid-size camera.

But if you want the B700, which is also a compact-size camera.

Or, like you have mentioned, you could also consider the FZ1000.

Or, as you have also mentioned from the link, maybe the RX10.

However, both the FZ1000 & RX10 cameras are limited in the zoom range.

They are all good cameras to choose from, no need getting confused.

In my opinion, they are all "winners", just pick one that you are attracted to.

..

Hey, noticed your DPR name have an "808",

could be you're from the Hawaiian islands.

Well, here's a picture for you that I took.

P900 camera, sooc jpeg.

..

Cheers!

Thanks John. Nice shot!

"808" referes to Nokia Pureview 808 which I used to own few years back! It was a great cameraphone!

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Re: P900/950 or B700 owners please help!

Sam808 wrote:

jshen808 wrote:

Sam808 wrote:

The details at such a long FL is really good.

P900 have few minor issues. Slow buffer and only shoots in jpeg. The evf is average which is an important feature for a superzoom cameras. I doubt anyone can use the lcd screen at such a long focal length.

Maybe B700 is a better option since it shoots raw and it retains more details.

There isn't much B700 vs P900 comparison on the web! So I cant decide wich one to pick.

I'd love to hear from someone who have/had both.

There's no such thing as a "perfect" camera.

Instead of focusing on the weakness of the camera,

it's better to just use the camera to take beautiful pictures.

..

Since you have the FZ80, which is a nice compact-size superzoom.

Recommend for you to probably get the P950 mid-size camera.

But if you want the B700, which is also a compact-size camera.

Or, like you have mentioned, you could also consider the FZ1000.

Or, as you have also mentioned from the link, maybe the RX10.

However, both the FZ1000 & RX10 cameras are limited in the zoom range.

They are all good cameras to choose from, no need getting confused.

In my opinion, they are all "winners", just pick one that you are attracted to.

..

Hey, noticed your DPR name have an "808",

could be you're from the Hawaiian islands.

Well, here's a picture for you that I took.

P900 camera, sooc jpeg.

..

Cheers!

Thanks John. Nice shot!

"808" referes to Nokia Pureview 808 which I used to own few years back! It was a great cameraphone!

Ahhh, I see..

Hey, thanks for the compliment.

The beauty of the superzooms,

is to filll the frame with the subject,

so no need to deep crop the images.

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Cheers!

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sherman_levine
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Re: P900/950 or B700 owners please help!

Sam808 wrote:

sherman_levine wrote:

Sam808 wrote:

Hi,

I think it's time for a new bridge camera! I've owned Panasonic FZ80/82 in the past but sold it. It's autofocus was good when taking photos but not so much in videos!

I tested the P900 in ths shop and although the hand grip was a bit small for me but I liked the 2000mm.

I watched a video on youtube that someone was comparing Panny FZ1000 vs FZ80 and the former had a slightly better image quality with iZoom enabled at 1200mm. It shows the advantages of a 1" sensor. So I'm thinking the same applies to both B700 and P900. Since the differaction will adversly effect the image quality at ong end of the zoom.

So theoretically the P900 image quality at 2000mm shouldnt be greater than a cropped 2mp image! (Due to diffrraction or maybe lens resolution).

I'd be grateful if someone could post a snapshot of a video at 1200mm and 2000mm on P900 and the 16mp image at same focal length for comparison.

I'm going to upscale the 1080p image using bicubic interpolation to match the 20mp image and then compare both! I'll upload the results here for conclusion.

For B700 or P950 I'd probably need to use both 1080p and 4k video snapshot for comparison! (If someone is interested please upload the photos).

Sam

I don't quite understand your question. Well-focused P950 images (and the P950 does focus much faster and more accurately than the P900) look fine at 100% (see samples in my signature link). What would you learn by downsampling to 2mpx and then upsampling to 16mpx?

Hi Sherm,

I really liked your flicker albums. Looks like you had quite few superzooms so maybe you can clear up some doubts. I've read somewhere on the web/ that the max image quality of the P900 max zoom is somewhere between 2mp to 4mp. Therefore an equivalent cropped and upscaled image of a dslr camera with shorter FL will match the quality of P900 @ 2000mm.

Lets say we have a dslr with 400mm lens and higher megapixel such as 36mp. The cropped image down to 2mp will match the P900 full zoom image @ 2000mm.

I was gonna test it out by comparing a upscaled fhd snapshot of the video to the 20mp image and see if there really is any visible differences.

I think you're making your life too complicated.  Let's take a simple case first - two cameras with 16mpx sensors. One has 2000mm FOV and the other has 400mm FOV.  The 2000mm camera will put 25 times as many pixels on the subject as the 400mm camera. Taken another way, what covers the full 16mpx sensor of the 2000mm camera would cover only 0.6 mpx of the 400mm camera.

If you wish, download one of my P950 images and downsample by a factor of 5, then upsample by a factor of 5 and view at 100%. It'll look like garbage.  You don't need to get a video sample involved at all.

Now, you can consider what happens if you have a larger sensor camera with a 36mpx sensor, etc etc

Beyond that, you need to ask yourself what you mean by "visible difference" - Are you going to crop severely? Are you going to print at large size? Are you going to view the images on a 2mpx monitor?   You need to define the question before you attempt to answer it.

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Here is a comparison between the P950 vs. the B700 (and the P1000 thrown in). The B700 has a 20 meg sensor and is noisier than the P950 that has a 16meg sensor. The B700 is very compact and doesn't have the same zoom level, but sometimes captures more detail in wide to medium zoom, but you will see the P950 is better. If you want the longest zoom with best sharpness at the zoom end, then the P1000 is still tops. If you want that latest tech, viewfinder, and capture speed, then the P950. If you want a camera with reasonable zoom, good medium zoom for general landscapes and easy to carry, then the B700. It also has pretty good 4k video, so does the P950. All just my opinion, from using all these cameras.

B700-24mm long shot--notice the arrow--that is zoomed in spot.

B700-1440mm max zoom - straight out of the camera (SOOC)

B700 - 4320mm digital zoom SOOC

B700- 5760mm digital zoom sharpened. Use to compare with digital zooms of the other cameras.

P950 - 2000mm max zoom - SOOC

P950 - 4400 digital zoom SOOC Compare this to the B700 4320mm SOOC

P950 - 8000mm 4xdigital zoom SOOC Pretty amazing, using just a small area of the 1/2.3 sensor.

P1000 - 12000mm max zoom sharpened (Just for grins

P1000 - 12000mm max zoom insulator (Amazing)

B700-170mm zoom - Some sharpening. To show the detail this camera can capture--zoom in just above the basket you will see a person bending over to talk to his son. Given the depth of field, most cameras would show that as paint mush. This is where the 20megapixels shines when not pushing the zoom.

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Re: P900/950 or B700 owners please help!

Wow! I think Nikon has excelled at digital zoom algorithms.

P1000 @ 12000mm. It's beyond imagination!

B700 @ 1440mm looks a little soft! Looks like the P950 lens is sharper ai mqx optical zoom.

If the P950s price drops below 1K I'll get one for sure.

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Sam808 wrote:

Wow! I think Nikon has excelled at digital zoom algorithms.

P1000 @ 12000mm. It's beyond imagination!

B700 @ 1440mm looks a little soft! Looks like the P950 lens is sharper.

If the P950s price drops below 1K I'll get one for sure.

I just did a quick test with the P900 at full zoom and digital zooms (both 2x dynamic and 4x):

at full optical zoom- f/7.1 resulted in the best image, at 2x f/7.1 was again the clear winner, but at 4x for some odd reason it came in last, with f/8 first and f/6.5 a close second......

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OutsideTheMatrix wrote:

Sam808 wrote:

Wow! I think Nikon has excelled at digital zoom algorithms.

P1000 @ 12000mm. It's beyond imagination!

B700 @ 1440mm looks a little soft! Looks like the P950 lens is sharper.

If the P950s price drops below 1K I'll get one for sure.

I just did a quick test with the P900 at full zoom and digital zooms (both 2x dynamic and 4x):

at full optical zoom- f/7.1 resulted in the best image, at 2x f/7.1 was again the clear winner, but at 4x for some odd reason it came in last, with f/8 first and f/6.5 a close second......

Thanks for sharing your findings!

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OutsideTheMatrix wrote:

Sam808 wrote:

Wow! I think Nikon has excelled at digital zoom algorithms.

P1000 @ 12000mm. It's beyond imagination!

B700 @ 1440mm looks a little soft! Looks like the P950 lens is sharper.

If the P950s price drops below 1K I'll get one for sure.

I just did a quick test with the P900 at full zoom and digital zooms (both 2x dynamic and 4x):

at full optical zoom- f/7.1 resulted in the best image, at 2x f/7.1 was again the clear winner, but at 4x for some odd reason it came in last, with f/8 first and f/6.5 a close second......

Did you use tripod?

I don't think I can capture good photos beyond 2000mm handheld.

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You need to try with on one of these Nikons = you might be surprised.

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