Q2 do-it-all camera?

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OP eliehbk Senior Member • Posts: 1,880
Re: Q2 do-it-all camera?

Maybe it’s gotten loose but I never change SD cards, mine has been in it since last October when I bought the camera, until it started causing problems a month ago.

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Le Chef Forum Member • Posts: 81
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I would take it out and clean the contacts on the card, then try and see what happens.

I would also buy a second card so at a minimum you have a backup. If you still get the same issues with the new card, you know it's not the card, but likely the contacts in the card slot itself.

If the new card works perfectly then you know there's an issue with the original card.

That's still a lot cheaper than buying a Q2!

I regularly take the card out simply so I can develop the images in Lightroom on my computer. If you're not doing that how are you developing images or transferring them to a computer, tablet or phone???

LenRivers Senior Member • Posts: 2,389
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I have not read the other posts. My approach to all of photography is stay open minded. I don’t care what the name of the camera is so long it meets my needs.

Only reason I got the Q2 is because the gear I sold made the cost of the q2 pretty much the same price as a Fuji X100V

Only had the Q2 4 weeks if that before the pandemic shut down the World.
I will keep my Sony A7iii as I do not see the Q2 as a sole replacement yet. There are focal lengths and things the Sony does for me that no Leica can do. What I mean is how I use the camera.

i think it is worth looking at the other fixed lens cameras with the Q2 like the Fuji X100 where you can add a 28 mm and 50 mm conversion lens

sony has the RX1 and maybe Ricoh GR to compare

I am very happy with my Q2. I like the built in macro and I am not worried about a 7 mp image at 75 mm. I never print over 11x14. It would be rare.

Where it starts to cost more is the battery for the Q2 and if you need a ttl flash.
I think a must have accessory is the really right stuff  grip. The Leica does not give access to the battery and card if I recall so the rrs is more functional for me.
I also can recommend the Rock n roll camera straps it took me to the 2nd try to get the one I liked that was a wider strap. I also like peak design and the Domke gripper. But I thought something special for my first Leica

Jared Willson Contributing Member • Posts: 866
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eliehbk wrote:

Hi everyone,

I am thinking of replacing my M10 with a Q2, had some SD card error happening over and over. Since it’s no longer under warranty, and knowing that sending it to Leica will take forever to get it back, not to mention that they’ll probably charge half the cost of the camera to change the board - I was thinking of getting a Q2. the only problem is that I’m mostly a 50mm shooter, with the occasional 35mm from time to time. I feel that using the crop function most of the time will make purchasing a fixed lens 28mm not the wisest. Any thoughts from someone that uses the Q2 as a one-camera Setup and uses the crop function a lot?

thank you.
Wliw

A couple of thoughts. First, using an unknown repair cost as a justification for looking at a 5,000 USD camera does not make sense. I suspect there is something else going on in the back of your mind, not just the cost of Leica maintenance and repairs. That’s fine, but I would recommend you figure out what that is before buying a new camera. If it’s really just the possible repair cost, buy something that will tide you over for a couple months and get the M10 fixed. You’d probably need to fix it before selling it in any event (or sell it to a dealer who would arrange for the repair). Wouldn’t be cool to sell it to another consumer without disclosing the issue.

Second, what exactly is attracting you to the Q2? Is it the extra resolution? The autofocus while maintaining the same form factor? The water resistance? This isn’t a trick question. I own a Q2 and love it. I no longer own any M’s. But I also have an SL2 for the flexibility. Figure out why you might want it vs your M10 and that will help you decide whether you can live with a fixed 28mm and cropping.

Third, it may actually be quite reasonable to buy a Q2 to be used primarily as a 50mm. If the camera otherwise meets your requirements really well and you have no particular need for more than 15 megapixels it’s fine. Truly. Would you pay 5,000 for a 15 megapixel camera that was otherwise exactly what you want? Do you have a use for more than 15 megapixels? Lots of people don’t need more. You don’t need to justify it to anyone but yourself. What would you do with all the extra resolution? It won’t make a difference for looking at images on a 4K monitor. You might care at 5K. You might care for larger prints. At A4, you’d never miss the extra pixels. Do you print larger? Are you worried about a larger, higher resolution display in the future? If I shot primarily at 50mm, my biggest concern would be the effective f/3.3 maximum aperture with the cropping. Would the loss of depth of field control matter to me? Or the more visible noise at higher ISO’s? That’s should probably be as big a concern as the reduction in pixels.

Your current M is already a niche camera that is far from a “general purpose” solution. It’s a terrible camera for shooting wider than 28mm. It’s a poor camera above 50mm. It is nearly useless above 135mm. It won’t do sports. It’s bad at macros. Birds and wildlife? Astrophotography? Hah! So you already were willing to give up a lot of capabilities in search of something. What was that something? And does the Q2 have it? If it does, cropping seems like a relatively minor loss of functionality compared to lack of OIS, lack of weather sealing, lack of autofocus, lack of macro, and a low frame rate. But that doesn’t make the Q2 the right answer, either. Heck, maybe you’d be better served with an FP and the Sigma 45. Or a Hasselblad X1D.

Why are you really looking to move away from the M10? I’m skeptical that it’s really the repair cost.  You don’t even know the repair cost.  It could be just straight up wanting something different. Could be something else. Figure that out and you will know whether the Q2 is the right answer for you.

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OP eliehbk Senior Member • Posts: 1,880
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Thank you so much guys for taking the time to give such detailed and very informative feedback. To be honest, repair cost and the fact that the camera will be in a black hole once sent for repairs, I also have the urge to try something new. I have owned more cameras than I can remember and maybe I am itching for something new. I don’t mind the compromises of the M10, in fact, that’s exactly why I chose it, something that is a bit more engaging. It is at times challenging with two toddlers, not so easy to get them in focus. I really would like to stay with Leica, I never ever print my shots nowadays, so resolution isn’t a big deal for me. I just prefer to shoot around 50mm up to 90mm (have a Summilux and Summarit at the moment), how we, can live with a 75mm crop. If I do this I’ll send in all my M10 and trade in for a Q2.

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RobertLysakowski Forum Member • Posts: 99
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What about the CL? I saw on one of the threads that you owned it. Now you have the M10. Did not you think to go back? You would be able to use your lenses and even get some extra reach due to APSC conversion. You would have options for autofocus lenses...And btw - why not to consider X100V? It’s pretty amazing as for the form factor and price. It has tilted screen, so no more crawling or lying on the ground to match eye level of your kids. It has face and eye detection which works well and snappy autofocus, which exceeds what I can do on Fuji Xt2. It’s small, portable and has OVF (which you know from Xpro2). You can extend the lens focal length with two adapters.

It has only one issue- it’s not Leica. If you get it and reconsider, you should be able to sell it without loosing too much.

Verto Regular Member • Posts: 334
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Based on what you said the answer is NO. 28mm is very different from 50mm and even 35mm. Shooting 28mm and cropping won’t give you the same DOF as 35mm 1.7 or 50mm 1.7. You should probably try a 28mm camera or lens before spending 5K. Also the M10 image quality is better in my opinion in every area except resolution. Maybe rent the Q2. I had it and returned it. The rear screen also sucks on it, compared to say a Nikon Z screen. Rent before you buy.

OP eliehbk Senior Member • Posts: 1,880
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Wise words.

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Serhan2 Senior Member • Posts: 1,384
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You can most probably take any FF mirrorless camera and use your leica lenses. Used Leica SL is below 2K at Leica SF, but then the size. Sigma FP is smaller, has good LCD, but no vf / mechanical shutter and af is slower than CL...

B&H has used copies of Q2 also... I used gm5+Oly 25mm 1.8 with pretty similar DOF to Q2 50mm crop. You need to be close to get dof seperation.

eliehbk wrote:

Wise words.

OP eliehbk Senior Member • Posts: 1,880
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I’m a sucker for bokeh. I think I’ll stick with my M10 and beloved 50mm Summilux. Thanks for all your input. Be safe.

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OP eliehbk Senior Member • Posts: 1,880
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Hi guys,

just wanted to revisit the thread and let you know that I went ahead and bought the Q2. I didn’t sell my M10 as of yet, thought I’d give it a try beforehand. I wasn’t sure about the 28mm FL, I’m more of a 50mm shooter. Straight out the box I was a bit surprised to find that the camera feel cheap compared to the M10, it felt a bit plasticky and hollow, I know it’s just because of the solid brick the M is. Having AF and a better metering system was nice with my mostly shot subject matter (2 erratic toddlers). I also like the 35 and 50mm crops. I was afraid that distortion and larger depth of field would turn me off but it wasn’t. I haven’t using it for one week by itself and so far can easily imagine having it as my sole camera, especially on my many hiking trips. The OOC JPEGS are great, skin tone is lovely and black and white remind me of the digital CL. All in all a great camera and could easily be a do-it-all camera if someone doesn’t need telephoto lenses. I also think the pictures have a better 3D pop than my M10 with 50mm Summilux ASPH. Here are some snap shots;

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Robgo2 Veteran Member • Posts: 5,225
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eliehbk wrote:

Thanks a lot. I can always tell that it’s a crop from a wide angle lens. I guess will have to try out different SD cards!

The reason that you can recognize a crop from a wide angle lens has to do with perspective, which is determined by the distance between the camera and the subject. Typically, one stands closer to the subject with wide angle lenses.

Personally, I have found the Q2 to be an excellent single camera travel solution. I do not use the in-camera crop lines, but prefer to crop in post-processing. I have yet to feel pixel-starved, even with fairly significant crops. My typical prints are on 13 x19 inch paper.

Here is a cropped portrait taken with the Q2:

OP eliehbk Senior Member • Posts: 1,880
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Beautiful picture and I grew with you, I got mine recently and used it a lot to take pictures of my kids and throughout our hiking trips. The cropping function is great, I like to imagine a picture frame as I see it and to be able to do so instantaneously in jpeg is great. Here are some samples.

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bosjohn21 Forum Pro • Posts: 22,877
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the resolution of the sensor should give you very very nice files at fifty mm. this should not be a problem.

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solamnus Senior Member • Posts: 1,869
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eliehbk wrote:

I’m a sucker for bokeh. I think I’ll stick with my M10 and beloved 50mm Summilux. Thanks for all your input. Be safe.

That is one reason i want and wont get rid of my Df/D4 and lenses like the 105f 1,4 or the 58 1,4g. Just dreamy bokeh when i feel like i need that in my life😁

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gue_F4 New Member • Posts: 16
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Hi! I have a Q as the one and only. Cropping I do sometimes on the camera, usually in LR. Portraits are no problem with the 28. Of course you have to be a bit careful. The Q2 is even better for cropping because of the sensor. So I would try it as do-it-all camera, but 2 batteries are a must. When it works for you, then selling the M10. By the way, 28 are great when you are close enough - that's tough but it's worthwhile to work on it.

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OP eliehbk Senior Member • Posts: 1,880
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Thanks for your advice. I already sold my M10 and am very happy with the Q2. I use the crop function a lot. Sometimes the 28mm with people shots up close could be challenging due to distortion. However, I learned to use the perspective to my advantage. Enjoy your Q! At least we don’t have to worry about which lens to buy next

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