G9 or EM1iii? Who has both?

Mike Arledge wrote:

Jamajuel wrote:

Quick update.

• I got the EM1iii from Amazon - and will keep (since I dinged falling down it’s not ev

That is all solid and reasonable feedback. I have a G9, and GAS makes me look at the Oly, but each time I think of the EVF trade down, combined with having the Nocticron and PL 200 for dual IS and I realize I need to wait for a bigger step up before really giving in to GAS.

I don t want to single you out as many people on these forums seem to have this GAS syndrome but in your case I am wondering what kind of improvement in your pictures you think you would get by getting another body with the same sensor size but completely different ergonomics 

For those of you who have both great equipment  and extra cash , I think you would be waaasy better off using the money for a special travel photo trip where you can get great pictures and get better at mastering the camera stuff you ALREADY have 

At least consider it 

Harold

Funny Valentine wrote:

Not sure about the G9, Haven't tried one extensively, but it seems the OLED panel is identical to those of the Canon and Nikon but with different pincushion optics.

well the G9 EVF has the option to be set at 120FPS

It's maybe even the same supplier who makes those 3 million dots OLED panels.

I would think so too . Epson if I had to guess

Harold66 wrote:

Mike Arledge wrote:

Jamajuel wrote:

Quick update.

• I got the EM1iii from Amazon - and will keep (since I dinged falling down it’s not ev

That is all solid and reasonable feedback. I have a G9, and GAS makes me look at the Oly, but each time I think of the EVF trade down, combined with having the Nocticron and PL 200 for dual IS and I realize I need to wait for a bigger step up before really giving in to GAS.

I don t want to single you out as many people on these forums seem to have this GAS syndrome but in your case I am wondering what kind of improvement in your pictures you think you would get by getting another body with the same sensor size but completely different ergonomics

For those of you who have both great equipment and extra cash , I think you would be waaasy better off using the money for a special travel photo trip where you can get great pictures and get better at mastering the camera stuff you ALREADY have

At least consider it

Harold

I do birding, and better AF would be the main thing I want, and so far, nothing in M43 world would give it.

Harold66 wrote:

Funny Valentine wrote:

Not sure about the G9, Haven't tried one extensively, but it seems the OLED panel is identical to those of the Canon and Nikon but with different pincushion optics.

well the G9 EVF has the option to be set at 120FPS

but can it keep the 120fps during CAF, specially with DFD going berserk ?

It's maybe even the same supplier who makes those 3 million dots OLED panels.

I would think so too . Epson if I had to guess

Funny Valentine wrote:

Harold66 wrote:

Funny Valentine wrote:

Not sure about the G9, Haven't tried one extensively, but it seems the OLED panel is identical to those of the Canon and Nikon but with different pincushion optics.

well the G9 EVF has the option to be set at 120FPS

but can it keep the 120fps during CAF, specially with DFD going berserk ?

sorry can t help you. Not sure what you photograph but I rarely use CAF

I am very satisfied with G9 autofocus . works perfectly and quickly 99% of the time at normal distances and I use focus peaking when shooting macro

Funny Valentine wrote:

Mike Arledge wrote:

Jamajuel wrote:

Quick update.

• I got the EM1iii from Amazon - and will keep (since I dinged falling down it’s not even a choice anymore.... but had already decided to keep it)
• size and weight are fantastic. It’s feels far closer to the GX9 than I would have guessed and noticeably more compact and light than the G9. For me, this mattered, I’m not saying the G9 is “heavy”.
• The grip is fantastic. I was worried it might be a tad bit less comfy than for most because of my huge hands. But no, it is wonderful to hold and handle.
• I haven’t had a flip out screen since a Canon powershot 12y ago. Personally I don’t care for it and I was surprised to find that it annoys me that I cannot flip up the screen easily. No biggie though.
• The camera works and handles beautifully well with the PL 50-200. I have no doubt that dual IS on the G9 would be even better. But for me it’s plenty good enough with body or lens only.
• AF is far far better than GX9
• CAF in photography still doesn’t blow me away though
• shame that Oly doesn’t have more/better body and animal detect stuff in. I do hope they will add this via FW.

Honestly, the only disappointment really is just the EVF. It’s perfectly fine to work with. But compared to the S1 it’s just a joke. What a pity, otherwise it’s a near perfect camera really

I’m still obviously discovering and learning and I’m still getting used to Oly colors. Feels a hit more flat SOOC than Lumix but I’m not sure how much of that is just what I’m used to after so many years just on Panasonic.

That is all solid and reasonable feedback. I have a G9, and GAS makes me look at the Oly, but each time I think of the EVF trade down, combined with having the Nocticron and PL 200 for dual IS and I realize I need to wait for a bigger step up before really giving in to GAS.

Some people, including engineers at olympus prefer having constant 120 fps over higher resolution EVF. I think they have their valid technical reasons beside economics to keep the same LCD EVF.

Having tried the eos R and Nikon Z6's EVFs, I can tell that I will stick with my em1.2's EVF until high resolution EVF's can keep up their refresh rate. The eos R and Z6 EVFs have that jumpy feeling when panning because they're only at 60 fps and drop down further in CAF and there's also a noticeable lag. Not sure about the G9, Haven't tried one extensively, but it seems the OLED panel is identical to those of the Canon and Nikon but with different pincushion optics. It's maybe even the same supplier who makes those 3 million dots OLED panels.

It’s hard to say because the S1 shoots far far slower in CAF than the Oly. I think it’s 6 FPS. At that rate at least I have zero issues and I always have that EVF at 120 Hz.

I am not joking, the difference between EVFs is bananas big. The S1 EVF is just plain amazing. Great colors, no distortion, great resolution and 120 Hz option.

I’ve read the argument from Oly. Maybe they couldn’t source one at a price that worked for them.

as said: it’s no deal breaker because you can work really well with the Oly. But both dynamic range and colors make it hard to judge a lot of situation well and it’s just less of a pleasure to use.

buratino wrote:

Jamajuel wrote:

Quick follow up on this since I got the em1iii:

• Video works great. I don’t care about 4K but FHD at /60p is really good.
• CAF in video is fantastic. Much much better than on my S1.

could you elaborate on the comparison with your S1?

I actually think I will use this one much more for casual video than i would have expected

I am thinking about getting Oly for video because of its AF, even though it is Pana which is considered to be "videocentric".

Basically if the Oly locks on, it stays on. No wobble, no focus loss. only thing I find is that the Oly locks on to faces later and not when further away. And there is no body detect. But still it judges the scene well without any wobbling. I found the GX9 almost useless with CAF in video.
the S1 is fine but not 100%

I am really no video shooter and mostly don’t know what I’m doing there, so please consider this the impression of someone who presses that red button to film the kids.

I also don’t care zilch about 4K60p or VLog etc.  YMMV...

Skeeterbytes wrote:

A thorough summary. If you're new to the E-M1 series spend an extended time with the C-AF settings to learn what they do and how to tweak them for different subjects and settings. Default settings work pretty well but benefit from adjustments for birding, sports, aviation, racing, etc.

Good luck!

Rick

Yes, I am finding that out even if the first couple of uses! Part of the fun discovering the Olympus. Any good resources to read/watch you can recommend? I’ll probably open an Oly newbie question thread at some point but I want to collect some stuff first.

Jamajuel wrote:

Funny Valentine wrote:

Mike Arledge wrote:

Jamajuel wrote:

Quick update.

• I got the EM1iii from Amazon - and will keep (since I dinged falling down it’s not even a choice anymore.... but had already decided to keep it)
• size and weight are fantastic. It’s feels far closer to the GX9 than I would have guessed and noticeably more compact and light than the G9. For me, this mattered, I’m not saying the G9 is “heavy”.
• The grip is fantastic. I was worried it might be a tad bit less comfy than for most because of my huge hands. But no, it is wonderful to hold and handle.
• I haven’t had a flip out screen since a Canon powershot 12y ago. Personally I don’t care for it and I was surprised to find that it annoys me that I cannot flip up the screen easily. No biggie though.
• The camera works and handles beautifully well with the PL 50-200. I have no doubt that dual IS on the G9 would be even better. But for me it’s plenty good enough with body or lens only.
• AF is far far better than GX9
• CAF in photography still doesn’t blow me away though
• shame that Oly doesn’t have more/better body and animal detect stuff in. I do hope they will add this via FW.

Honestly, the only disappointment really is just the EVF. It’s perfectly fine to work with. But compared to the S1 it’s just a joke. What a pity, otherwise it’s a near perfect camera really

I’m still obviously discovering and learning and I’m still getting used to Oly colors. Feels a hit more flat SOOC than Lumix but I’m not sure how much of that is just what I’m used to after so many years just on Panasonic.

That is all solid and reasonable feedback. I have a G9, and GAS makes me look at the Oly, but each time I think of the EVF trade down, combined with having the Nocticron and PL 200 for dual IS and I realize I need to wait for a bigger step up before really giving in to GAS.

Some people, including engineers at olympus prefer having constant 120 fps over higher resolution EVF. I think they have their valid technical reasons beside economics to keep the same LCD EVF.

Having tried the eos R and Nikon Z6's EVFs, I can tell that I will stick with my em1.2's EVF until high resolution EVF's can keep up their refresh rate. The eos R and Z6 EVFs have that jumpy feeling when panning because they're only at 60 fps and drop down further in CAF and there's also a noticeable lag. Not sure about the G9, Haven't tried one extensively, but it seems the OLED panel is identical to those of the Canon and Nikon but with different pincushion optics. It's maybe even the same supplier who makes those 3 million dots OLED panels.

It’s hard to say because the S1 shoots far far slower in CAF than the Oly. I think it’s 6 FPS. At that rate at least I have zero issues and I always have that EVF at 120 Hz.

I am not joking, the difference between EVFs is bananas big. The S1 EVF is just plain amazing. Great colors, no distortion, great resolution and 120 Hz option.

I’ve read the argument from Oly. Maybe they couldn’t source one at a price that worked for them.

as said: it’s no deal breaker because you can work really well with the Oly. But both dynamic range and colors make it hard to judge a lot of situation well and it’s just less of a pleasure to use.

then I hope the S1 EVF will somehow trickle down to m43, maybe the next G9 or Gh6

Jamajuel wrote:

Skeeterbytes wrote:

A thorough summary. If you're new to the E-M1 series spend an extended time with the C-AF settings to learn what they do and how to tweak them for different subjects and settings. Default settings work pretty well but benefit from adjustments for birding, sports, aviation, racing, etc.

Good luck!

Rick

Yes, I am finding that out even if the first couple of uses! Part of the fun discovering the Olympus. Any good resources to read/watch you can recommend? I’ll probably open an Oly newbie question thread at some point but I want to collect some stuff first.

Here are a few sites that are Olympus-centric.

https://tonigenes.blogspot.com/2019/11/olympus-300mm-f40-autofocus-performance.html

https://robinwong.blogspot.com/2015/07/the-robin-wongs-om-d-camera-cheat-sheet.html

http://www.wrotniak.net/photo/m43/em1.2-sett-sheet.html

Thank you!

Funny Valentine wrote:

Harold66 wrote:

Funny Valentine wrote:

Not sure about the G9, Haven't tried one extensively, but it seems the OLED panel is identical to those of the Canon and Nikon but with different pincushion optics.

well the G9 EVF has the option to be set at 120FPS

but can it keep the 120fps during CAF, specially with DFD going berserk ?

It's maybe even the same supplier who makes those 3 million dots OLED panels.

I would think so too . Epson if I had to guess

You make it sound like DFD is wildly flying around everywhere, with no regard whatsoever as to where the subject is...

On the G9, using AFC, to my eyes the so-called "wobble" looks more like the image is shimmering very slightly, almost as if there's a bit of heat distortion in the atmosphere. It does not interfere with achieving focus on the subject. And yes, I have my EVF set to 120fps refresh.

More of an issue than the "wobble" for me is VF blackout between frames when AFC with Live View is used. It takes some practice to smoothly pan the camera and anticipate where the subject will be when the blackout ends. This is not the case when the 20FPS frame rate is selected, as the EVF refreshes fast enough and without blackout to almost look like a continuous view; but the tradeoff there is potential rolling-shutter effects.

Examples of what the G9 can do using AFC can be seen here: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/63905944