Buying the X-T4 - but which kit lens

Started May 5, 2020 | Discussions
Michael Berg
OP Michael Berg Contributing Member • Posts: 876
Re: Bundled lens -no, just bought the body only.

First of all thanks for your feedback. I really have serious doubts about taking this lug of a lens along for any kind of extended vacation like a week on a hot beach and some sightseeing. I think you are right about the primes.

So I'm thinking now - ok, let's do the 18-55 and then get well, at least ONE prime. The 23 f/2 or maybe f1.4 if it's not too heavy. I can see myself using a lens like that for a long part of a vacation considering the type of photography one usually does there. I'd probably be more inclined to go for a quality lens at the longer end, especially the 50-140/2.8 which I would use on outings where photography is a major purpose of the trip.

- My brain is distracted by the 16-80 which is more versatile than the 18-55, and of probably mostly similar optical quality. That focus wobble though...

Focus wobble?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdMw9lQTNnc

Fast forward to around 13:30.

It's a known issue with this lens, it's not just this guy having a bad copy.

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JayPhizzt Senior Member • Posts: 1,973
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Jimmmy wrote:

My experience with the 16-80 has not been wonderful. I ordered an X-T3 with the 16-80 kit, love the body, and have got some great results, but not with the 16-80. Did way better with my 16mm f/1.4 prime, the 23mm f/2 prime, and my trusty 18-55mm "kit" lens. So I'm returning the X-T3 kit with the 16-80 lens and looking for an X-T3 or X-T4 body. Was not satisfied with detail, color, contrast, and dynamic range of the 16-80 lens. Noticed it is made in the Philippines, not Japan -- not sure whether that is a factor or concern, or I just did not get a wonderful specimen. YMMV.

I can understand you weren't satisfied by the detail, color or contrast, but dynamic range actually lies in the sensor and not the lens

And when a Fuji camera or lens is "made in the philippines" or "made in china" it simply means it was assembled there, it was still designed and developed in Japan.

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ne beginner Senior Member • Posts: 2,249
Re: Buying the X-T4 - but which kit lens
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JayPhizzt wrote:

Jimmmy wrote:

My experience with the 16-80 has not been wonderful. I ordered an X-T3 with the 16-80 kit, love the body, and have got some great results, but not with the 16-80. Did way better with my 16mm f/1.4 prime, the 23mm f/2 prime, and my trusty 18-55mm "kit" lens. So I'm returning the X-T3 kit with the 16-80 lens and looking for an X-T3 or X-T4 body. Was not satisfied with detail, color, contrast, and dynamic range of the 16-80 lens. Noticed it is made in the Philippines, not Japan -- not sure whether that is a factor or concern, or I just did not get a wonderful specimen. YMMV.

I can understand you weren't satisfied by the detail, color or contrast, but dynamic range actually lies in the sensor and not the lens

And when a Fuji camera or lens is "made in the philippines" or "made in china" it simply means it was assembled there, it was still designed and developed in Japan.

Seems like many Japanese manufacturers are making their lower to mid range lenses outside Japan, while still making their premium grade lenses in Japan. Fuji 16-55 made in Japan; 16-80 Thailand.

When it comes to camera bodies, looks to be the same. Nikon new D6 made in Japan; D850: Thailand.

Made in Japan still has more cache in some categories, and many people conjure up in their minds the notion that "made in" means parts and finished product.  Given the nature of global sourcing, multi-national corporations, and trade agreements, today, "made in" often more aptly means means assembled.

I.e. a "made in Japan" vs "made in China" camera body is likely to be assembled using the exact same parts, that were themselves produced in the exact same country and parts factory.

As long as the assembly process, protocol, machinery, and QA standards are identical, the end product should be as well.

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Jimmmy
Jimmmy Forum Member • Posts: 60
Re: Buying the X-T4 - but which kit lens
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My experience here strictly anecdotal, not scientific. But same body, different lens, differing results. The 16-80 was a disappointment, for me. I certainly would have preferred this not to be the case, A return is a pain in the butt.  Maybe I need to keep working with it.

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Marcos Villaroman Veteran Member • Posts: 6,348
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ne beginner wrote:

JayPhizzt wrote:

Jimmmy wrote:

My experience with the 16-80 has not been wonderful. I ordered an X-T3 with the 16-80 kit, love the body, and have got some great results, but not with the 16-80. Did way better with my 16mm f/1.4 prime, the 23mm f/2 prime, and my trusty 18-55mm "kit" lens. So I'm returning the X-T3 kit with the 16-80 lens and looking for an X-T3 or X-T4 body. Was not satisfied with detail, color, contrast, and dynamic range of the 16-80 lens. Noticed it is made in the Philippines, not Japan -- not sure whether that is a factor or concern, or I just did not get a wonderful specimen. YMMV.

I can understand you weren't satisfied by the detail, color or contrast, but dynamic range actually lies in the sensor and not the lens

And when a Fuji camera or lens is "made in the philippines" or "made in china" it simply means it was assembled there, it was still designed and developed in Japan.

Seems like many Japanese manufacturers are making their lower to mid range lenses outside Japan, while still making their premium grade lenses in Japan. Fuji 16-55 made in Japan; 16-80 Thailand.

Actually it looks like Fujifilm is manufacturing its high volume products outside of Japan, regardless of being high or low end.  My friend living in Japan got his X-T4 from BIC Camera:  it was made in China, not Japan.

The lesser volume product (which tends to be the more expensive stuff) or so new the manufacturing process is still maturing tends to be made in Japan, such as the 100-400, X-H1, etc.

I think it comes down to how much attention Fujifilm puts to making sure the quality coming out of their overseas factories remain high.  Granted, we are also looking at products designed to be cheaper to manufacture.  So I think the days of finding that one "perfect" copy within a lower-end product line is going to become rarer.  Not every lens is designed to perform optically perfect at the pixel-peeping level.

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