Buying the X-T4 - but which kit lens

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Michael Berg
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Buying the X-T4 - but which kit lens
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Hello all,

Recently sold my X-T2 in preparation for my expected GAS ahead of the X-T4 release

Now the time is nearing and since I sold the X-T2 with its kit lens (the 18-55 F2.8-4 OIS), I find myself needing another good, general walk around kit lens.

I kind of planned to get another 18-55 but now Fuji has released the 16-80 F/4 I see that this lens is very highly recommended for just that purpose. Only ... the zoom/focus issues are worrying. I don't do a lot of video work so .. meh. Corner image quality and image quality consistency in general is also somewhat worrying. But the lens just seems to well made.

Now that the X-T4 comes with IBIS, the older 16-55 F/2.8 is suddenly really interesting again. Much better image quality and the X-T4 can now compensate for the missing OIS.

So. Which kit lens would you buy today, along with the X-T4?

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AnastieByte Forum Member • Posts: 66
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I own the 18-55 and 16-55. The 16-55 with 2.8 across the range is super sharp and my most used walkabout lens. I have avoided the new zoom due to many reports commenting that it’s not as sharp as expected. Others views may differ.

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57LowRider Veteran Member • Posts: 4,240
The Brick

... the only downside being size/weight compared to the 18-55.

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Doug MacMillan Veteran Member • Posts: 3,319
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I've seen the brick but never shot with it. If I were to buy the T4, I'd pair it with the brick.

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AnastieByte Forum Member • Posts: 66
Re: The Brick
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57LowRider wrote:

... the only downside being size/weight compared to the 18-55.

So many people call it “The Brick” but it surprised me by being lighter than I anticipated! Makes up for any “bulk” with it’s stunning optics.

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supernova86
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Re: The Brick

AnastieByte wrote:

57LowRider wrote:

... the only downside being size/weight compared to the 18-55.

So many people call it “The Brick” but it surprised me by being lighter than I anticipated! Makes up for any “bulk” with it’s stunning optics.

Its 100grams lighter than the Nikon 17-55 f2.8 DX, which is excellent by the way.

I think pairing the XT4 with a 16-55 is a no brainer unless you need something light. In that case, there are many options, from several primes to the XF 18-55 or even a XC 16-50.

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With the possible exception of my 100-400 (since I tend to do a lot of wildlife photography), the 16-55 spends the most time on my X-H1. It’s almost the perfect walkabout lens, if you don’t mind dealing with a little extra weight. The optics across its FL range are superb, and the constant f/2.8 aperture gives you a lot of flexibility for subject isolation or low light work when needed.

You’ll hear a lot about the weight, hence its nickname, christened by forum member Greg7579 years ago. It’s optically one of Fuji’s best (if not THE) best zoom and the focal length range makes it almost idea for travel. Highly recommended.

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biza43 Forum Pro • Posts: 13,444
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16-80.

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a_c_skinner Forum Pro • Posts: 10,779
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Yep, Ken Rockwell likes it.

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mfoto
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It's a tough choice for sure. Keeping portability in mind the 18-55 is the winner, overall flexibility the 16-80 wins it. Low light and pro feel it's the 16-55. With that said I would really consider a couple of good primes.

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GPAtlanta Regular Member • Posts: 260
Re: The Brick
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supernova86 wrote:

AnastieByte wrote:

57LowRider wrote:

... the only downside being size/weight compared to the 18-55.

So many people call it “The Brick” but it surprised me by being lighter than I anticipated! Makes up for any “bulk” with it’s stunning optics.

Its 100grams lighter than the Nikon 17-55 f2.8 DX, which is excellent by the way.

I think pairing the XT4 with a 16-55 is a no brainer unless you need something light. In that case, there are many options, from several primes to the XF 18-55 or even a XC 16-50.

The 16-55 image quality is marginal better than the 18-55.  Sure if you're shooting professionally, but no way for the average prosumer..  Too heavy and not worth it.

Jostian
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Re: Another vote for the 16-55 (aka Brick)

Jerry-astro wrote:

With the possible exception of my 100-400 (since I tend to do a lot of wildlife photography), the 16-55 spends the most time on my X-H1. It’s almost the perfect walkabout lens, if you don’t mind dealing with a little extra weight. The optics across its FL range are superb, and the constant f/2.8 aperture gives you a lot of flexibility for subject isolation or low light work when needed.

You’ll hear a lot about the weight, hence its nickname, christened by forum member Greg7579 years ago. It’s optically one of Fuji’s best (if not THE) best zoom and the focal length range makes it almost idea for travel. Highly recommended.

Yup, have to agree with Jerry wholeheartedly, i have exactly the same kit, and couldn't agree more.

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Jerry-astro
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Re: The Brick
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GPAtlanta wrote:

supernova86 wrote:

AnastieByte wrote:

57LowRider wrote:

... the only downside being size/weight compared to the 18-55.

So many people call it “The Brick” but it surprised me by being lighter than I anticipated! Makes up for any “bulk” with it’s stunning optics.

Its 100grams lighter than the Nikon 17-55 f2.8 DX, which is excellent by the way.

I think pairing the XT4 with a 16-55 is a no brainer unless you need something light. In that case, there are many options, from several primes to the XF 18-55 or even a XC 16-50.

The 16-55 image quality is marginal better than the 18-55. Sure if you're shooting professionally, but no way for the average prosumer.. Too heavy and not worth it.

Sorry, but I’ve owned and pretty extensively used both lenses, and I would characterize the IQ differences (particularly on the long end) as significantly greater than marginal.  That’s not a ding on the 18-55, mind you, and I enjoyed using that lens for a good long time after acquiring my X-T1 years ago.  It’s very versatile and great deal, particularly when purchased as a kit lens.  However, the difference in IQ across the lens’ range coupled with the constant f/2.8 aperture strongly differentiate the two IMHO.  Also, you’re own characterization of 16-55 as “too heavy” is highly subjective.  I use it with the X-H1 and the pair balance beautifully.  With a very small body, that may be more of an issue.

So, to each his own, however my own view of the same two lenses strongly differs from yours.

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jjz2 Veteran Member • Posts: 3,043
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I personally wouldn't use one of the "kit" lenses if you're gonna go with the bleeding edge XT4...but that's just me... I'd go for something like the 16-55 or 23 1.4 to start to wrangle the quality out of that sucker and take advantage of the IBIS... if not, don't see the point of pre-ordering it to match it with OK glass. Might as well have got the XT2/XT3/XT30 and saved your money.

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GPAtlanta Regular Member • Posts: 260
Re: The Brick
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Jerry-astro wrote:

GPAtlanta wrote:

supernova86 wrote:

AnastieByte wrote:

57LowRider wrote:

... the only downside being size/weight compared to the 18-55.

So many people call it “The Brick” but it surprised me by being lighter than I anticipated! Makes up for any “bulk” with it’s stunning optics.

Its 100grams lighter than the Nikon 17-55 f2.8 DX, which is excellent by the way.

I think pairing the XT4 with a 16-55 is a no brainer unless you need something light. In that case, there are many options, from several primes to the XF 18-55 or even a XC 16-50.

The 16-55 image quality is marginal better than the 18-55. Sure if you're shooting professionally, but no way for the average prosumer.. Too heavy and not worth it.

Sorry, but I’ve owned and pretty extensively used both lenses, and I would characterize the IQ differences (particularly on the long end) as significantly greater than marginal. That’s not a ding on the 18-55, mind you, and I enjoyed using that lens for a good long time after acquiring my X-T1 years ago. It’s very versatile and great deal, particularly when purchased as a kit lens. However, the difference in IQ across the lens’ range coupled with the constant f/2.8 aperture strongly differentiate the two IMHO. Also, you’re own characterization of 16-55 as “too heavy” is highly subjective. I use it with the X-H1 and the pair balance beautifully. With a very small body, that may be more of an issue.

So, to each his own, however my own view of the same two lenses strongly differs from yours.

Twice the weight and 3x the price.  Is it 3x as good?  That's hard to justify..  It might be 1.5x as good.  A little better in the corners, sure..

thomaslux
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It's about whether you need that extra length. The brick is the better lens, I don't doubt that in the least. That said, if a longer reach would mean a lot to you, you have that option.

Personally the parking of the brick and the X-T4 seems ideal.

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jjz2 wrote:

I personally wouldn't use one of the "kit" lenses if you're gonna go with the bleeding edge XT4...but that's just me... I'd go for something like the 16-55 or 23 1.4 to start to wrangle the quality out of that sucker and take advantage of the IBIS... if not, don't see the point of pre-ordering it to match it with OK glass. Might as well have got the XT2/XT3/XT30 and saved your money.

The problem with that logic is Fuji doesn't make just OK glass.  Aside from the 18mm prime, everything is pretty top notch..   People like to think they need what they really don't..

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I have no qualms with the 16-55 in terms of IQ. Modern "bag of primes" that was the well-earned designation of the Pentax 35-105 f/3.5 a few decades ago - except the 16-55 is much better.

And, like so many of us who adopted Fuji for very specific reasons, I will never own one. I'm done with large, heavy lenses (except for the rare need for a very long lens)... so what would be the best option for pro quality kit zoom in the era of IBIS?

If you go back about four decades, the most under-rated ahead of its time zoom kit lens that no one bought (except me - actually twice after the first one was dropped) was the Tokina 24-40 f/2.8. Small, sharp, and versatile (FF film)... UWA to normal - decent wide open. Pentax kind of tried to match it with the APSc 20-40 Limited, but that was not the right range - and the lens wasn't as good as the price was high.

So, Fuji should step out a bit on the design plank and go with a 16-30 (roughly) at f/2.8 - or f/3.2 if size is still an issue. Don't try to make a pro quality zoom into a portrait lens - just give us great IQ from 24mm equivalent to normal perspective... Really, that would be a great achievement. With the image quality of the XC15-30 (mechanics and aperture limits notwithstanding) - this doesn't strike me as a daunting challenge. I'd be first in line.

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Re: The Brick
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GPAtlanta wrote:

Jerry-astro wrote:

GPAtlanta wrote:

supernova86 wrote:

AnastieByte wrote:

57LowRider wrote:

... the only downside being size/weight compared to the 18-55.

So many people call it “The Brick” but it surprised me by being lighter than I anticipated! Makes up for any “bulk” with it’s stunning optics.

Its 100grams lighter than the Nikon 17-55 f2.8 DX, which is excellent by the way.

I think pairing the XT4 with a 16-55 is a no brainer unless you need something light. In that case, there are many options, from several primes to the XF 18-55 or even a XC 16-50.

The 16-55 image quality is marginal better than the 18-55. Sure if you're shooting professionally, but no way for the average prosumer.. Too heavy and not worth it.

Sorry, but I’ve owned and pretty extensively used both lenses, and I would characterize the IQ differences (particularly on the long end) as significantly greater than marginal. That’s not a ding on the 18-55, mind you, and I enjoyed using that lens for a good long time after acquiring my X-T1 years ago. It’s very versatile and great deal, particularly when purchased as a kit lens. However, the difference in IQ across the lens’ range coupled with the constant f/2.8 aperture strongly differentiate the two IMHO. Also, you’re own characterization of 16-55 as “too heavy” is highly subjective. I use it with the X-H1 and the pair balance beautifully. With a very small body, that may be more of an issue.

So, to each his own, however my own view of the same two lenses strongly differs from yours.

Twice the weight and 3x the price. Is it 3x as good? That's hard to justify.. It might be 1.5x as good. A little better in the corners, sure..

It’s all a matter of perceived value.  For you, the price difference doesn’t justify the improvement in IQ.  For many others, certainly myself included, it does.  You think it’s overpriced, I found it easily to be of sufficient value to justify the additional investment.  Scan the forum for a while and you’ll see a whole lot of other photographers who feel the IQ difference justifies the higher price. So, for you, the solution is simple and obvious: go with the 18-55.  For many others, the combination of better build quality, constant aperture, and superior IQ across the range easily justifies the additional cost.  So, modify your last post to say “That’s hard to justify for me,” and we’d be fully in agreement.

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Re: Buying the X-T4 - but which kit lens

GPAtlanta wrote:

jjz2 wrote:

I personally wouldn't use one of the "kit" lenses if you're gonna go with the bleeding edge XT4...but that's just me... I'd go for something like the 16-55 or 23 1.4 to start to wrangle the quality out of that sucker and take advantage of the IBIS... if not, don't see the point of pre-ordering it to match it with OK glass. Might as well have got the XT2/XT3/XT30 and saved your money.

The problem with that logic is Fuji doesn't make just OK glass. Aside from the 18mm prime, everything is pretty top notch.. People like to think they need what they really don't..

I'd say it's just OK within Fuji's lineup, but better than other camera manufacturers 18-55 lenses, so to dump all your money on a pre-order top of the line camera then put a 290 dollar used kit lens on it doesn't make any sense to me if its IQ you're after. Would have got better IQ out of an XT2 and 16-55, guaranteed.

If going with the 18-55, I'd supplement it with 2-3 primes in that range for IQ on an X-T4.

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