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Shooting manual washes a lot of stuff out

Started May 1, 2020 | Questions
ToniOnatsu New Member • Posts: 1
Shooting manual washes a lot of stuff out

Hiya! I'm still quite a rookie with photography, and I've started recently taking a lot video material. My camera is EOS 700D.

I'd like to shoot manual, as for every clip I like to set manually framerate, shutter speed, aperture, ISO and white balance. Even though I try to set these best to fit every scene, for some reason the manual setting absolutely washes a lot of information out. If I switch to just about any other mode, be it Av, Automatic etc, much of the colors get corrected. Can anyone explain why is this happening. Here is an example:

Image 1: Manual mode with all the settings done

Image 1 scopes

Image 2 Av mode

Image 2 scopes

So as you can see the difference is drastic. I'm doing color correcting in post production and as you can see the first image is so washed out that even if I start to bring the high tones down, there's just so much information lost that it will never be as good as what I have shot with Av mode.

What is the camera doing here because the colors clearly are corrected in some way in any other but manual mode? I've tried to change all the aforementioned manual settings to just about anything, plus I've tried to use awb and auto iso settings, plus I've tried playing around with the picture settings (the wheel icon with six bars). Changing those settings do give a slightly different result, but nowhere near to what I can get with any other mode.

Greatly appreciate all the knowledge you guys are spreading here. Thanks!

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Canon EOS 700D (EOS Rebel T5i / EOS Kiss X7i)
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stevet1 Senior Member • Posts: 1,300
Re: Shooting manual washes a lot of stuff out

ToniOnatsu wrote:

Even though I try to set these best to fit every scene, for some reason the manual setting absolutely washes a lot of information out.

Toni,

The same thing was happening to me. I recently started using Av mode, and I'm getting much better pictures.

Steve Thomas

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Ray UK Contributing Member • Posts: 977
Re: Shooting manual washes a lot of stuff out
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Looks like a simple case of over exposure, how do you determine the exposure settings you are using in manual.

AshleyMC Senior Member • Posts: 2,228
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There are good Manual settings, and there are not-so-good Manual settings.

Ditto with the Av and Tv settings. That's why there is the EC (Exposure Compensation) dial because the exposure measurement algorithm - being pre-programmed with certain assumptions and performance expectations - may be fooled by various real-life factors within the frame.

It is safe to say that, in typical scenarios, the camera is capable of focusing and exposure measuring much better than the average user.

Various instances of wrong exposure may be corrected in post processing of the Raw files. Well, unless the highlights were blown to plain white.

The camera as a whole is a tool. The camera user, although aided by various automated features of a modern camera, should be the ultimate control (*) - unless "good enough" is acceptable.

(*) correct exposure, sharpness where sharpness should be, interesting composition, "the story" conveyed by the photograph

Sometimes, the photographer's artistic decision makes an image brighter (overexposed) or darker (underexposed) - or, in a different vein, blurry instead of tack sharp - other than what is conventionally perceived in real life. That's part of ultimate control.

irvcobb
irvcobb Contributing Member • Posts: 600
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Are you watching your meter when you set up the shot? You want to have the meter pretty well zeroed out as a starting point. If the meter is toward the right, you will get what you have shown us. Toward the left and things will go dark.

One of the tricks with manual is knowing that although you have total control of all your settings, the available light you have (and your camera's intrinsic limitations) still have ultimate control. For instance, if you want a lot of depth of field, you'll have to set your aperture to a higher number. But this limits the amount of light getting to the sensor, so then you have to compensate somehow, maybe with a slower shutter speed or higher ISO. It's a dance, and often a compromise to get what you want and keep the meter where it needs to be.

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AshleyMC Senior Member • Posts: 2,228
Re: Shooting manual washes a lot of stuff out

If you watch the camera's light meter and try to keep the needle at zero by turning the various dials, you think you are doing things "manually" but in fact you are subsuming to the potentially flawed determination of the metering algorithm.

The meter is an aid, but not a consistently reliable aid.

Suppose you are shooting a white heron that is standing in front of a dark background of random unimportant foliage. The camera's automated light metering, not understanding the various elements within the frame and not being able to distinguish the heron as the subject, will try to do a "good" job of keeping "everything" "properly" exposed. The white heron itself will likely end up being overexposed.

A better approach is to use "spot metering" on the heron at the AF point. This feature is not supported in Canon's entry-level and mid-level cameras, e.g. T6i and 80D.

In certain cases, you use your thinking and experience to make a decision that overrides the camera's automated measurements. That's ultimate control.

irvcobb
irvcobb Contributing Member • Posts: 600
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Yes. The meter is a starting point, especially for a beginner. And metering mode matters a lot, which I failed to mention.

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Rocket13 Veteran Member • Posts: 4,223
Re: Shooting manual washes a lot of stuff out

Ashley I am confused all three of my cameras T6 80 and 90D have spot metering . What do you mean by not supported? Or did I misread something? Thank you.

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AshleyMC Senior Member • Posts: 2,228
Re: Shooting manual washes a lot of stuff out

Rocket13 wrote:

Ashley I am confused all three of my cameras T6 80 and 90D have spot metering . What do you mean by not supported? Or did I misread something? Thank you.

You did misread something. I wrote: spot metering at the AF point.

Canon is an expert at offering its valued customers half-baked or restricted features. In this case, spot metering at the centre of the viewfinder only.

AF point linked spot metering is a feature Canon reserves for the 1D series only. Not even the 5D series bodies have this feature.

I don't use a Rebel T6 (1300D) but I doubt very much that it supports any simplistic kind of spot metering. So I looked up the manual...

page 115 of the Canon EOS T6 User Manual - Changing the Metering Mode

And while I was at it, I looked up the 90D manual...

page 158 of the Canon 90D Advanced User Manual

Rocket13 Veteran Member • Posts: 4,223
Re: Shooting manual washes a lot of stuff out

Thank you I swore choosing spot meter on my T6 was an option but haven't used it forever, and now with your wonderful explanation I see on the 90D there is a spot meter mode but a limited one, Thank you for the explanation.

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AshleyMC Senior Member • Posts: 2,228
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Rocket13 wrote:

Thank you I swore choosing spot meter on my T6 was an option but haven't used it forever, and now with your wonderful explanation I see on the 90D there is a spot meter mode but a limited one, Thank you for the explanation.

Any time, my friend.

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Shooting manual - it's not the camera, it's you

ToniOnatsu wrote:

Hiya! I'm still quite a rookie with photography, and I've started recently taking a lot video material. My camera is EOS 700D.

I'd like to shoot manual, as for every clip I like to set manually framerate, shutter speed, aperture, ISO and white balance. Even though I try to set these best to fit every scene, for some reason the manual setting absolutely washes a lot of information out. If I switch to just about any other mode, be it Av, Automatic etc, much of the colors get corrected. Can anyone explain why is this happening.

Capt. Obvious: "Your manual settings overexpose the scene, the auto settings don't"

Pay attention to what the auto mode is choosing for shutter/aperture/ISO and compare to your manual choices.  Or pay more attention to the meter scale as you make your settings.  You'll have to either choose a combination of shorter shutter speed, smaller (higher f-number) aperture, and/or lower ISO.

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