Superzoom Moon Contest

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OutsideTheMatrix
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Superzoom Moon Contest
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In this contest are the Nikon P900 at 2000mm EFL, the Olympus EM10 Mark 2 at 1200mm EFL (with 2x digital TC) and the Fuji HS50 at 1400mm EFL (with 1.4x TC) and 2000mm EFL (with 2x TC).  I have a 1.7x physical teleconverter but I didn't get better results with it than using the digital version.  That might be a handholding issue, since in a day time test it did better than either the 1.4x or 2x digital teleconverter.  The moon was high up between 4 am and 6 am here and I was forced to sit on the ground and shoot upwards.  Oh well.

This is the Oly with the 2x digital TC.  If you expand this to 1:1 you'll see really good crater detail (lower right).

This is also really good from the Nikon P900 at full zoom.

Fuji results were more mixed and I had a difficult time choosing the best one, so I will just post my top few.

1.4x TC (1400mm)

2.0x TC (2000mm)

besides the first Fuji HS50 image which was with 1.4x IDZ, the others are all with 2x IDZ (2000mm EFL)

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Tom Ames Senior Member • Posts: 1,507
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All of the images seems blurry.

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OutsideTheMatrix
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Tom Ames wrote:

All of the images seems blurry.

The site must have reduced the size of the images.  Viewing them 1:1 on my screen I can see craters inside craters really well.  I'll try to post crops from the terminator where you can see them better.

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Augustin Man
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I'm not a Moon shootter, but I got sometimes cursory handheld images like that one:

P1000

Stay healthy and happy shooting,

Augustin

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Patco Forum Pro • Posts: 14,897
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OutsideTheMatrix wrote:

Tom Ames wrote:

All of the images seems blurry.

The site must have reduced the size of the images. Viewing them 1:1 on my screen I can see craters inside craters really well. I'll try to post crops from the terminator where you can see them better.

I was thinking the same as Tom, but maybe it's the site, as you say.
Let's try one of mine:

Straight out of camera

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Patco wrote:

OutsideTheMatrix wrote:

Tom Ames wrote:

All of the images seems blurry.

The site must have reduced the size of the images. Viewing them 1:1 on my screen I can see craters inside craters really well. I'll try to post crops from the terminator where you can see them better.

I was thinking the same as Tom, but maybe it's the site, as you say.
Let's try one of mine:

Straight out of camera

Uh Oh.... mine is definitely sub par compared to yours and Augustin's.

A few possibilities.....

1) should I remove this UV protector filter on my lens?

2) I was shooting through a window (it was cold outside!)

3) I was lying on the floor and shooting up as the moon was high up.

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Patco Forum Pro • Posts: 14,897
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OutsideTheMatrix wrote:

Uh Oh.... mine is definitely sub par compared to yours and Augustin's.

A few possibilities.....

1) should I remove this UV protector filter on my lens?

My opinion is that a UV filter never helps, but could hurt.
I suggest you try without, and see if your results improve.

2) I was shooting through a window (it was cold outside!)

I've never had a satisfactory result shooting through windows.

3) I was lying on the floor and shooting up as the moon was high up.

I don't see a problem there, but a tripod or a suitable brace could help.

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OutsideTheMatrix
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Patco wrote:

How do you like using the infinity setting for focus vs using AF?

Can Infinity focus be set in manual exposure mode too?

I'm wondering how well the P900 can shoot total lunar eclipses at full zoom, since you need longer exposures there (but what is a good exposure for that to avoid motion blur at 2000mm EFL?)

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threed123
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P-950 Day moon. Handheld, some post processing.

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threed123 wrote:

P-950 Day moon. Handheld, some post processing.

That's very detailed!  Question- is it better to underexpose and use a much faster shutter speed?  I thought keep the shutter speed between 1/125s to 1/200s was the way to go from what I've read, but your image makes me rethink that.

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I cropped and edited the the best pics I took from each camera here is what I came up with:

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these are the edited versions of the two:

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threed123
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Even with vibration reduction, you can get double images, very very small, but they do fuzz up edges. That's always why I force the lowest ISO with a higher shutter speed, but not an extremely high f/stop is the biggest issue. This was handheld, but if you use a tripod ALWAYS turn off VR--image is sharpest then. Detail is always lost when overexposed, so under-exposed and post processed will keep the most detail.

jshen808
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OutsideTheMatrix wrote:

Super moon captures!

Especially considering they were taken behind a window.

Be your own explorer in trying things out.

Thanks for sharing & happy snapping.

Cheers!

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LEZ90
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Standard 'moon' settings

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Using a tripod, both shots taken in the open.

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OutsideTheMatrix wrote:

A few possibilities.....

1) should I remove this UV protector filter on my lens?

2) I was shooting through a window (it was cold outside!)

3) I was lying on the floor and shooting up as the moon was high up.

1. Not all "lens filters" works the same.

My recommendation is to take pictures with & without the used lens filter.

If can't go outside, indoors can take pictures of a cereal box as an example.

Then view the pictures on your computer, to see any differences in quality.

(For my P900 P950 P1000 cameras, I'm using the Hoya HD3 UV lens filter, it works good, and I would not leave my lenses bare without it.)

2. Taking pictures through a window can take a hit in the image quality.

But if cannot go outside, that's okay, it's all about having fun with the camera.

And good opportunity to tryout the settings you have in question to see what works.

3. It's good to be star gazing. But be careful okay.

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Tourlou Contributing Member • Posts: 971
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Here are 2 moon pictures shot with old catadioptric lenses.

Above was shot with a Reflex Nikkor 500C

Above was shot with a Russian MTO-11, 1000mm focal length

Both pictures were recorded on a Nikon D7000

Regards.

Rene

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threed123 wrote:

Even with vibration reduction, you can get double images, very very small, but they do fuzz up edges. That's always why I force the lowest ISO with a higher shutter speed, but not an extremely high f/stop is the biggest issue. This was handheld, but if you use a tripod ALWAYS turn off VR--image is sharpest then. Detail is always lost when overexposed, so under-exposed and post processed will keep the most detail.

Thanks, I think a tripod might be necessary for me, as I tried to keep the ISO manageable at 200, but the shutter speed was still too slow at 1/200 sec.

Is BSS of any help here?

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LEZ90 wrote:

Using a tripod, both shots taken in the open.

Looks like ISO 400 is still very good.... what do you think about using ISO 800 on the moon?  Too much?

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