Upgrade Nikon D7200 to? Or wait?

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Nomisdk New Member • Posts: 4
Upgrade Nikon D7200 to? Or wait?

Hi

I have a Nikon D7200 and use a Nikkor 18-300 1:3.5-6.3G ED on it always.
I use it mainly for my hobby train spotting. So its outsite use and in all kind of weather. 
I like the 18-300 as i dont have to change the objective depending if i am close to a train or fare away from it. 
What I miss sometimes it that it could be sharper and better in dark. 
So what would your advice for me to be?
I cant figure out if it would be good for me to look at mirrorless or maybe fullframe?

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zachdog Regular Member • Posts: 103
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The D7200 is a terrific camera. The lens you use, while versatile, is what is causing your focus problems. You would experience better results with an f/4 lens rather than the variable aperture model you’re using.

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Bobthearch
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Your best upgrade path is adding a lens or  two specifically targeting your low-light needs.  With a new camera you'll still have to buy new fast lenses anyway.

The Nikon DX 35mm f/1.8 is a good choice, popular and very affordable.

If you shoot wide angle much, the Tokina ultra-wide options are outstanding.

You'll also see improved image quality if you ditch the 18-300.  Even though it's not any faster, the AP-F DX VR 70-300 will take sharper photos.

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bflood Senior Member • Posts: 2,204
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Nomisdk wrote:

I cant figure out if it would be good for me to look at mirrorless or maybe fullframe?

I agree with Bobthearch on this - it's your 18-300 that's holding you back. The D7200 can do everything you want.

I can easily understand the convenience and versatility of the 18-300 zoom, but any lens with that long a zoom range is a bundle of design compromises to achieve that range, and there's no getting away from it.

I suggest two zooms. For the shorter end, I recommend the Nikon 16-80 2.8-4.0 - it's wider than your current lens and will do much better in low light. It ain't cheap, but since you seem to have the resources to buy a new mirrorless or full frame body, I think the $1,100 new ($700 used) cost might be feasible for you.

On the longer end, I agree with the AF-P 70-300 recommendation. While it isn't faster than the lens you have in this focal range, it's nicely sharper, and it can be had with VR to help in low light. It runs about $400 with VR - the non-VR version is about $50 cheaper. The old hot-rodders mantra of "speed costs money - how fast can you afford to go?" also applies to lenses, especially long lenses. If you want a faster lens in your range, there's a Sigma 120-300 f2.8, but it runs over $3,000 new. Nikon has a 120-300 now, too, but never mind what THAT costs!

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Fab1en New Member • Posts: 18
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Previous answers were spotted on!

My "additional" advice: since D7200s are quite cheap, why not buy a 2nd one and have a set of 2 bodies and 2 zooms: wide angle (16) - standard (50 or longer) + short (70) - long tele (300)?

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romfordbluenose Veteran Member • Posts: 5,448
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Fab1en wrote:

Previous answers were spotted on!

My "additional" advice: since D7200s are quite cheap, why not buy a 2nd one and have a set of 2 bodies and 2 zooms: wide angle (16) - standard (50 or longer) + short (70) - long tele (300)?

Two bodies is not normally needed unless of course you  need two bodies for some reason e.g. in difficult conditions where you can't change lens, e.g. safari with a lot of dust. Best to spend your money on something else, not buying a second body means you have more to spend on lens.

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romfordbluenose Veteran Member • Posts: 5,448
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Agree with the 16-80 and 70-300 AF-P DX VR. You could also buy the 16-85 which is also very good and will be a lot less than the 16-80 especially if bought used.

Forget getting the 70-300 non-VR version, the saving is not worth it.

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André BARELIER
André BARELIER Forum Pro • Posts: 11,144
Re: Upgrade Nikon D7200 to? Or wait?

Nomisdk wrote:

Hi

I have a Nikon D7200 and use a Nikkor 18-300 1:3.5-6.3G ED on it always.
I use it mainly for my hobby train spotting. So its outsite use and in all kind of weather.
I like the 18-300 as i dont have to change the objective depending if i am close to a train or fare away from it.
What I miss sometimes it that it could be sharper and better in dark.
So what would your advice for me to be?
I cant figure out if it would be good for me to look at mirrorless or maybe fullframe?

I agree with other posters. I do have the 16-80 and the 70-300 AFP VR.

The 16-80 is a top lens, fast, very convenient, and very sharp, but pricey.

The 70-300 AFP is very sharp too, and its AF is very fast, faster than the 16-80.

The D7200 is a fantastic camera. It does all I need, and I don't plan to change.

Remember that going full frame means buying fast lenses too. Otherwise, it's not worth the change. And thanks to the crop factor, the D7200 gives more reach for the same FL.

If you don't mind having less range, look at the Sigma 50-150 2.8 OS HSM. A fantastic lens, razor sharp, and very fast. You could find one at a good price. But don't forget it's very heavy and bulky.

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Jocksa
Jocksa Senior Member • Posts: 1,197
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If I was familiar with the D7200 and looking to take photos of trains in mixed lighting conditions, this is what I'd do (not saying you should, just what I'd do).

All prices are in GBP and currently available in Excellent used condition on an online retailer.

I'd trade the 18-300 (£323).

I'd buy another D7200 (£429), a Nikon 17-55/2.8 DX (£439) and a Nikon 70-200/2.8 VR1 (£689)

Net cost £1325.

My logic is that I wouldn't want to be changing lenses as train movements are happening all the time (I assume you go somewhere busy) so I would have one camera over each shoulder with a fast high-quality zoom on each.

The downside is weight - particularly the 70-200/2.8. You could substitute this for a 70-200/4 which would cost you a stop of light but is still a great lens and would save weight (but not cost - they go used for about the same as the 2.8 VR1)

Obviously, if you're happy to swap lenses and have the time, you could also save the cost of the second D7200.

As I say, just what I'd do. YMMV.

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OP Nomisdk New Member • Posts: 4
Re: Upgrade Nikon D7200 to? Or wait?

Hi all

Thanks for your suggestions.

I have had a look with ExposurePlot over all the images i have taking in 2020, and below is what mm i mainly use.

mm usage over all images done in 2020

So i guess the Nikon 70-300 AF-P would be a fine choise. 
But what for the low end?

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Flashlight Veteran Member • Posts: 8,544
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I agree with the 16-80 and AF-P 70-300VR.

A budget solution with two cameras would be to get the D3500 / AF-P 18-55 combo and an AF-P 70-300 VR (the two-lens kits with the D3500, 18-55 and 70-300 usually include the non-VR version).

It won't be faster than your current solution but a vast upgrade in sharpness and you'd have two bodies so not have to change lenses.

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Plankowner110 Forum Member • Posts: 65
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Nomisdk,

I agree with the others that suggest you buy a better lens for your D7200. Read the DPReview review of the D7200 and you will see it is praised for its exceptional low light capabilities. I happen to have the AF-S DX 35mm 1.8G and the AF-S DX 16-85mm ED VR and they are quite sharp, but there are several top-quality Nikkor lenses available. You have a great hobby photographing trains!

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bluzman
bluzman Senior Member • Posts: 1,446
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I'll add my vote for the AF-P DX NIKKOR 70-300mm f/4.5-6.3G ED VR. At the wider end, as an alternative to the AF-S DX NIKKOR 16-80mm f/2.8-4E ED VR, I opted for a SIGMA 17-70mm f/2.8-4 DC Macro OS HSM Contemporary.

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bflood Senior Member • Posts: 2,204
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Based on your graph, the Nikon 16-80 looks like a good choice for the majority of your shooting. I have the Nikon 16-85 lens, and while I love it and it's gives me excellent image quality, it doesn't solve your lower light issue. The Nikon 17-55 seems to run about the same price as the 16-80 on the used market, but it would leave small gap between it and a 70-300 lens. The Sigma 17-70 is intriguing - it's 1 mm wider than you have now, which I'm sure you will find useful, and it leaves no gap in focal length when combined with a 70-300. It looks like it can be had for less than half the cost of either Nikon lens, so I suggest you do some internet searches for reviews of that lens. If the image quality looks adequate, it may be a good choice. Check which direction the zoom ring turns - it's my understanding that some (maybe all) SIgma zoom lenses turn in the opposite direction of Nikon zooms. Whether that would be a problem in the field is a personal preference decision for you to make, so I think you'd do well to check it out and make an informed decision.

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André BARELIER
André BARELIER Forum Pro • Posts: 11,144
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bflood wrote:

Based on your graph, the Nikon 16-80 looks like a good choice for the majority of your shooting. I have the Nikon 16-85 lens, and while I love it and it's gives me excellent image quality, it doesn't solve your lower light issue. The Nikon 17-55 seems to run about the same price as the 16-80 on the used market, but it would leave small gap between it and a 70-300 lens. The Sigma 17-70 is intriguing - it's 1 mm wider than you have now, which I'm sure you will find useful, and it leaves no gap in focal length when combined with a 70-300. It looks like it can be had for less than half the cost of either Nikon lens, so I suggest you do some internet searches for reviews of that lens. If the image quality looks adequate, it may be a good choice. Check which direction the zoom ring turns - it's my understanding that some (maybe all) SIgma zoom lenses turn in the opposite direction of Nikon zooms. Whether that would be a problem in the field is a personal preference decision for you to make, so I think you'd do well to check it out and make an informed decision.

I agree with all the above. The Sigma 17-70 C is a very nice lens, and you can fine adjust focus with the usb dock (which is impossible with the 17-50 2.8)

I had one, and was very pleased with it. Sold it when I found a 16-80 new at a bargain price.

The 17-70 Sigma C and 70-300 AFP VR Nikon make an excellent affordable set.

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Ask Mait Contributing Member • Posts: 909
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before upgrading your camera or lens -

Start using a heavy tripod and "mirror up" in case you are not doing it already.

Remove the clear/ UV filter before taking a picture if it is a cheap one.

Thanks

Robert1950 Regular Member • Posts: 235
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Upgrade the glass. I agree with the 16-80. Not too rare, so ou should be able find one used. I have a 70-300 VR f5.6 FX lens.  Lots of used ones, really inexpensive.  I upgraded from a 55-200 DX - What an improvement!!!

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blueknigh7 Regular Member • Posts: 300
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There are also the very excellent Sigma Art 18-35 F 1.8 and 50-100 F1.8.  If you're exclusively on the low end, then the 18-35 may match you perfectly.  They are on the pricier side, but cheaper than the 16-80.  I actually prefer them to the 16-80, but the 16-80 does have the advantage that it's a single lens.

Some people have noted Autofocus issues, but my copy works well on my D7500 and D500, especially after fine-tuning.

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bluzman
bluzman Senior Member • Posts: 1,446
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bflood wrote:

Based on your graph, the Nikon 16-80 looks like a good choice for the majority of your shooting. I have the Nikon 16-85 lens, and while I love it and it's gives me excellent image quality, it doesn't solve your lower light issue. The Nikon 17-55 seems to run about the same price as the 16-80 on the used market, but it would leave small gap between it and a 70-300 lens. The Sigma 17-70 is intriguing - it's 1 mm wider than you have now, which I'm sure you will find useful, and it leaves no gap in focal length when combined with a 70-300. It looks like it can be had for less than half the cost of either Nikon lens, so I suggest you do some internet searches for reviews of that lens. If the image quality looks adequate, it may be a good choice. Check which direction the zoom ring turns - it's my understanding that some (maybe all) SIgma zoom lenses turn in the opposite direction of Nikon zooms. Whether that would be a problem in the field is a personal preference decision for you to make, so I think you'd do well to check it out and make an informed decision.

Sigma lenses do indeed zoom by turning the zoom ring in the opposite direction from Nikon lenses. As the user of several Sigma lenses, I haven't had a problem quickly adapting to this difference.

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embie
embie Veteran Member • Posts: 3,423
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I have a D7200 for three years now and I shall continue to use it until he has reached the maximum clicks (150K ?) or when it's broken and the cost for repair is not economic any more.

The best suggestion I can give you, and already mentioned several times above, is to buy a Nikon 70-300 AF-P DX VR lens.

I have one, it's not expensive and the IQ is just fantastic IMHO.

Success,

eMBie

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