Adobe and Camera matching profiles for Canon EOS R5?

Does anybody know if Adobe will support the new EOS R5 with camera matching profiles for their Lightroom and Adobe Camera Raw applications?

I know the R has camera matching profiles, but the RP does not (just like the M6 mkII or 90D don't have camera matching profiles).

If they will not be available does someone perhaps know a way how to create own camera matching profiles based on SOOC JPG files?

Personally, I use DPP4 to generate a TIFF and import those into Lightroom. The downside of that is the UI of DPP4 is about as nice as rubbing sand in your eyes and it takes about 30-40 seconds per picture to process if you have DLO enabled, on a quad core i7. But the colours are great and DLO does a very nice job on older lenses like the EF85mm f/1.8.

I suspect *if* Adobe bothers to add the R5 profiles it will be a looooong time after launch, so the first few months will be rough.

They will but tend to be slow.

gavin wrote:

They will but tend to be slow.

Disagree. They tended to be released very quickly, same time as the camera support from recollection. The issue with Canon camera matching profiles for the last 18 months or so is an entirely different beast. In so far as there was ever a slight delay in the past it should not give anyone confidence that these are similarly just delayed. People need to make their feelings known to Adobe and/or consider voting with their wallets and moving to DxO or C1.

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The best bet would be to contact adobe and ask them to release camera matching profiles.

The more people ask them directly, the more they'll take note of it.

gavin wrote:

They will but tend to be slow.

Support for the R5 was out within 3 weeks. Camera profiles is different issue these days and has nothing to do with them being slow. There is no support for any cameras with CR3 files. There is something going on between Adobe and Canon.

aeronium wrote:

The best bet would be to contact adobe and ask them to release camera matching profiles.

The more people ask them directly, the more they'll take note of it.

That has been done multiple times on Adobe bug report/feature request support forums. Adobe reps have responded but saying we are working on it. Until whatever issues between Adobe and Canon are resolved we won't see them.

There is something going on between Adobe and Canon as there have been no matching profiles for any cameras with CR3 flies. Only one is the R because it has the same sensor as the 5D4 so Adobe just copied it.

In the mean time for $15 you can get them here. The owner has been tweaking them and they are pretty close.

https://www.colorfidelity.com

Zeee wrote:

gavin wrote:

They will but tend to be slow.

Support for the R5 was out within 3 weeks. Camera profiles is different issue these days and has nothing to do with them being slow. There is no support for any cameras with CR3 files. There is something going on between Adobe and Canon.

The M50 and R are supported, both use CR3.

koenkooi wrote:

Zeee wrote:

gavin wrote:

They will but tend to be slow.

Support for the R5 was out within 3 weeks. Camera profiles is different issue these days and has nothing to do with them being slow. There is no support for any cameras with CR3 files. There is something going on between Adobe and Canon.

The M50 and R are supported, both use CR3.

I don’t know the story behind the M50 but as I stated the only reason the R has it be because it has the same sensor as the 5D4 so Adobe just copied it. Perhaps this is somewhat the same thing for the M50.

Adobe requires information from Canon to develop the profiles, is not getting it and no one knows why. Both Canon and Adobe won’t say why.

Zeee wrote:

There is something going on between Adobe and Canon as there have been no matching profiles for any cameras with CR3 flies. Only one is the R because it has the same sensor as the 5D4 so Adobe just copied it.

In the mean time for $15 you can get them here. The owner has been tweaking them and they are pretty close.

https://www.colorfidelity.com

Very useful link, thank you. Can I ask if you know if these profiles can be used with the iPad version of Lightroom (I do pay a subscription but haven't upgraded to the full LRCC which I could use on my MacBook). If it only works on either Lightroom Classic or computer based Lightroom I'll have to pass I'm afraid but if there was any way to use it on a tablet, that would be great.

Thanks,

John

JohnNewman wrote:

Zeee wrote:

There is something going on between Adobe and Canon as there have been no matching profiles for any cameras with CR3 flies. Only one is the R because it has the same sensor as the 5D4 so Adobe just copied it.

In the mean time for $15 you can get them here. The owner has been tweaking them and they are pretty close.

https://www.colorfidelity.com

Very useful link, thank you. Can I ask if you know if these profiles can be used with the iPad version of Lightroom (I do pay a subscription but haven't upgraded to the full LRCC which I could use on my MacBook). If it only works on either Lightroom Classic or computer based Lightroom I'll have to pass I'm afraid but if there was any way to use it on a tablet, that would be great.

Thanks,

John

They work with Lightroom mobile (iPhone) so I would guess that is would also be the case for iPad

How to make your own?

Datacolor ColorCheckr (generates a color preset) - depend on if 24 or 48 model, approx $140 on Amazon but can be used on multiple cameras or to tune to any light source (including mixed). Think of it as a super grey card (grey card with extra color squares to adjust colors as well as white balance). Includes SW to do this automatically

X-Rite ColorChecker Passport (generates a profile) - $150 on Amazon again can be used on multiple cameras or to tune to any light source (including mixed). Think of it as a super grey card (grey card with extra color squares to adjust colors as well as white balance). Includes SW to do this automatically, better than Datacolor's one as it automatically detects the 'card' in the image.

Color Fidelity - $15 per camera (Colorfidelity.com)

Why do you expect Adobe to deliver these quickly (how does it help them when you can make them yourself).

sobrien wrote:

gavin wrote:

They will but tend to be slow.

Disagree. They tended to be released very quickly, same time as the camera support from recollection. The issue with Canon camera matching profiles for the last 18 months or so is an entirely different beast. In so far as there was ever a slight delay in the past it should not give anyone confidence that these are similarly just delayed. People need to make their feelings known to Adobe and/or consider voting with their wallets and moving to DxO or C1.

No one knows what is going on. It may be Canon that is causing the problems. At least Adobe copied the 5d4 files for the R so customers had colour matching profiles. They didn't have to. I think is unfair to put all the blame on Adobe until facts come out to what is really going on. Until that happens I blame both Canon and Adobe equally

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Tony D wrote:

Why do you expect Adobe to deliver these quickly (how does it help them when you can make them yourself).

Why do we expect Adobe to give us anything when everything can be done by us if we buy the right tools and spend time learning and doing it? The only thing that helps Adobe is the payments we make to them

Why do Adobe do it for cameras for other brands? How does it help them to create Sony/Nikon profiles but not Canon? Seems the question has been asked many times and all we have seen is user speculation

Calibur wrote:

Zeee wrote:

gavin wrote:

They will but tend to be slow.

Support for the R5 was out within 3 weeks. Camera profiles is different issue these days and has nothing to do with them being slow. There is no support for any cameras with CR3 files. There is something going on between Adobe and Canon.

Canon charges for DPP on iPad, so they are competing with Adobe in that space. Canon may be making a play into the services market (DPP, image.canon) which they view Adobe as a competitor so the camera specific profiles could be the “secret sauce” that Canon wants to keep to themselves to encourage use of their service products.

They're gonna have to add some features and a lot of speed to DPP to compete with LR or Photoshop. don't get me wrong - DPP is decent in terms of getting the images that Canon has imagined when designing the camera, and they're good. But it's slow, and it could use some additional controls as can be found in LR.