If it's good enough for Peter Hurley ...

... it's good enough for me. (go to 0:34)

LOL, loved that video... Thanks for sharing...

Playing devils advocate here; assuming these don't need to be high MP large prints, pretty much any camera would be fit for purpose here. When looking at the R's shortcomings for this environment;

• Single card slot (tethered straight to laptop)
• DR and high ISO performance (studio lit environment)
• AF performance (static well-lit subject)
• FPS (low FPS shooting)

For me, this is less about the R's capabilities, and more about "the kit doesn't make a good photo"

Do you really think the devil needs more advocates?

The specs of the R has been criticised high and low since before it was announced, and yet, it appears to sell quite well. Is that because all the buyers are ill informed or because they see beyond the measureable specs and also value useability, the ability to seamlessly use EF lenses, and the general quality of the raw files? I think it's rather improbable that the majority of photographers would spend more than USD 2000 to buy into a system without weighing pros and cons.

I don't think PH actually has to pay for cameras. The marketing value of the ten seconds in this video is worth more to Canon than the cost of giving him a couple of bodies and a bag of lenses. But he also has a reputation to protect, so he'd probably not endorse a camera if he couldn't work with it.

Enjoy your Sonyes, I'm sure they're wonderful cameras and I don't feel threathened because you've chosen differently.

Klaus dk wrote:

Do you really think the devil needs more advocates?

The specs of the R has been criticised high and low since before it was announced, and yet, it appears to sell quite well.

This criticism could likely be caused largely by its initial price point.

Is that because all the buyers are ill informed or because they see beyond the measureable specs and also value useability, the ability to seamlessly use EF lenses, and the general quality of the raw files?

It sells well because has a way lower price point now.

I think it's rather improbable that the majority of photographers would spend more than USD 2000 to buy into a system without weighing pros and cons.

Using your existing EF lenses is kind of the opposite of buying into a system. The strength of the R is you don't have to buy into a new system while going mirrorless.

I don't think PH actually has to pay for cameras. The marketing value of the ten seconds in this video is worth more to Canon than the cost of giving him a couple of bodies and a bag of lenses. But he also has a reputation to protect, so he'd probably not endorse a camera if he couldn't work with it.

Enjoy your Sonyes, I'm sure they're wonderful cameras and I don't feel threathened because you've chosen differently.

I went with the R because of the low light AF. That is the main reason i stayed with Canon.

thunder storm wrote:

Klaus dk wrote:

Do you really think the devil needs more advocates?

The specs of the R has been criticised high and low since before it was announced, and yet, it appears to sell quite well.

This criticism could likely be caused largely by its initial price point.

Noggin2k1 did not mention price, he only reiterated the usual critique points.

Is that because all the buyers are ill informed or because they see beyond the measureable specs and also value useability, the ability to seamlessly use EF lenses, and the general quality of the raw files?

It sells well because has a way lower price point now.

So if you can't live without a feature, when the price drops, you suddenly can? Every camera is a compromise, as is every buying decision. The people who have bought the R or the RP have accepted that, others made different choices. What I fail to understand is why it seems important to keep arguing when you chose differently.

I don't spend my days on the m4/3 forum telling those users that their sensors are too small. I accept that others may be sane and wise enough to choose what is best for them, and I leave it at that.

I think it's rather improbable that the majority of photographers would spend more than USD 2000 to buy into a system without weighing pros and cons.

Using your existing EF lenses is kind of the opposite of buying into a system. The strength of the R is you don't have to buy into a new system while going mirrorless.

If a user with good EF glass decides he needs a MILC, he would probably weigh the options of all cameras that his lenses could adapt to. Buying into Sony FE or Canon RF would both be buying into a new system, regardless of who made the adapter.

I don't think PH actually has to pay for cameras. The marketing value of the ten seconds in this video is worth more to Canon than the cost of giving him a couple of bodies and a bag of lenses. But he also has a reputation to protect, so he'd probably not endorse a camera if he couldn't work with it.

Enjoy your Sonyes, I'm sure they're wonderful cameras and I don't feel threathened because you've chosen differently.

I went with the R because of the low light AF. That is the main reason i stayed with Canon.

I do mainly headshots and portraits, so Peter Hurley is a role model of sorts. Not in every respect, mind you, but he's made quite a name for himself and not without reason.

If my headline had been: "If it's good enough for thunder storm ...", the impact might not have been the same :- D

Klaus dk wrote:

thunder storm wrote:

Klaus dk wrote:

Do you really think the devil needs more advocates?

The specs of the R has been criticised high and low since before it was announced, and yet, it appears to sell quite well.

This criticism could likely be caused largely by its initial price point.

Noggin2k1 did not mention price, he only reiterated the usual critique points.

Is that because all the buyers are ill informed or because they see beyond the measureable specs and also value useability, the ability to seamlessly use EF lenses, and the general quality of the raw files?

It sells well because has a way lower price point now.

So if you can't live without a feature, when the price drops, you suddenly can? Every camera is a compromise, as is every buying decision. The people who have bought the R or the RP have accepted that, others made different choices. What I fail to understand is why it seems important to keep arguing when you chose differently.

I don't spend my days on the m4/3 forum telling those users that their sensors are too small. I accept that others may be sane and wise enough to choose what is best for them, and I leave it at that.

I think it's rather improbable that the majority of photographers would spend more than USD 2000 to buy into a system without weighing pros and cons.

Using your existing EF lenses is kind of the opposite of buying into a system. The strength of the R is you don't have to buy into a new system while going mirrorless.

If a user with good EF glass decides he needs a MILC, he would probably weigh the options of all cameras that his lenses could adapt to. Buying into Sony FE or Canon RF would both be buying into a new system, regardless of who made the adapter.

I don't think PH actually has to pay for cameras. The marketing value of the ten seconds in this video is worth more to Canon than the cost of giving him a couple of bodies and a bag of lenses. But he also has a reputation to protect, so he'd probably not endorse a camera if he couldn't work with it.

Enjoy your Sonyes, I'm sure they're wonderful cameras and I don't feel threathened because you've chosen differently.

I went with the R because of the low light AF. That is the main reason i stayed with Canon.

I do mainly headshots and portraits, so Peter Hurley is a role model of sorts. Not in every respect, mind you, but he's made quite a name for himself and not without reason.

If my headline had been: "If it's good enough for thunder storm ...", the impact might not have been the same :- D

Interesting. I've never been one who pays much attention to these self promoters who offer classes etc. I did take some time to view some of Peter's tutes and found them quite annoying and insufferable.  A bit overboard with the ego/I'm a star persona deal. ymmv.

Klaus dk wrote:

thunder storm wrote:

Klaus dk wrote:

Do you really think the devil needs more advocates?

The specs of the R has been criticised high and low since before it was announced, and yet, it appears to sell quite well.

This criticism could likely be caused largely by its initial price point.

Noggin2k1 did not mention price, he only reiterated the usual critique points.

Is that because all the buyers are ill informed or because they see beyond the measureable specs and also value useability, the ability to seamlessly use EF lenses, and the general quality of the raw files?

It sells well because has a way lower price point now.

So if you can't live without a feature, when the price drops, you suddenly can?

It's not about if you can or can't live without a feature. That is digital thinking.

Every camera is a compromise, as is every buying decision.

Yes, and for buying decisions you can't rule out the factor price. The criticism is caused by too high introduction prices, as it's always about the balance between performance and price. With a higher price the bar is set higher, as the camera gets compared to models of another price category with better performances.

The people who have bought the R or the RP have accepted that, others made different choices. What I fail to understand is why it seems important to keep arguing when you chose differently.

I think this is a forum, and nobody is arguing with you. Someone mentioned the use of this camera mentioned by you wasn't really a stress test for some purposes some customers use their cameras for.

I don't spend my days on the m4/3 forum telling those users that their sensors are too small.

Nobody said the RP was lacking for any purpose.  That's what you do if you are going to tell sensors are too small in general. Wasn't the case here.

I accept that others may be sane and wise enough to choose what is best for them, and I leave it at that.

Nothing was mentioned about if others are sane and wise enough or not.

I think it's rather improbable that the majority of photographers would spend more than USD 2000 to buy into a system without weighing pros and cons.

Using your existing EF lenses is kind of the opposite of buying into a system. The strength of the R is you don't have to buy into a new system while going mirrorless.

If a user with good EF glass decides he needs a MILC, he would probably weigh the options of all cameras that his lenses could adapt to. Buying into Sony FE or Canon RF would both be buying into a new system, regardless of who made the adapter.

No, these are two entirely different types of adapting. EF to RF is native adapting, which is only physical adapting. EF to FE is electronic adapting, the AF protocols and other communication needs to be translated by the adapter. For EF to RF the camera it self is using doing the communication directly, so no translation is needed.

When you have a bunch of EF glass and you want to go mirrorless the AF is better with a Canon mirrorless camera for this reason.

I don't think PH actually has to pay for cameras. The marketing value of the ten seconds in this video is worth more to Canon than the cost of giving him a couple of bodies and a bag of lenses. But he also has a reputation to protect, so he'd probably not endorse a camera if he couldn't work with it.

Enjoy your Sonyes, I'm sure they're wonderful cameras and I don't feel threathened because you've chosen differently.

I went with the R because of the low light AF. That is the main reason i stayed with Canon.

I do mainly headshots and portraits, so Peter Hurley is a role model of sorts.

This adds some context. I think other conversation partners where trying to add this context as well.

Not in every respect, mind you, but he's made quite a name for himself and not without reason.

If my headline had been: "If it's good enough for thunder storm ...", the impact might not have been the same :- D

It's good enough for me, although partially for other reasons.  However, i don't have any problems if someone is mentioning my camera isn't the best choice for every purpose.

For this use any decent camera would work fine.