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Bjorn74 Forum Member • Posts: 88
Z firmware
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Is 2.2 the last firmeware for Z6 and Z7? I have a guts feeling that Nikon will not provide more updates.

Nikon needs to take care of the Z owners before they jump ship.

- Nikon needs to update the AF ergonomics.

- Introduce new AF mode. A 3D mode that is a seperat mode that you activate and deactivate with AFON in AF-C mode.

- Make eye-af to work in every mode and increase the AI to find eyes from futher distance. Like Canon and Sony.

Please Nikon!

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avatar77 Regular Member • Posts: 205
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Please read the interview with the Nikon exec on the front page. He says (speaking about the slow rollout of the ProRes RAW update):

To be honest, it was just a question of resources. But after I took over product planning, we are planning to schedule firmware updates more frequently. We don’t want that kind of delay [again] between the announcement of firmware and its availability. We want to do regular scheduled firmware updates to keep the products up to date for a long time.

I certainly take that to mean more updates are in the works.

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PaulV Senior Member • Posts: 1,166
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Is this another thread based on simply a “gut feeling?”

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OP Bjorn74 Forum Member • Posts: 88
Re: Z firmware

PaulV wrote:

Is this another thread based on simply a “gut feeling?”

So please, help me to have higher hopes. Because I have invested in a Z6 and three Z lenses (85/1.8, 50/1.8 and 14-30/4) also have 300/4 PF and 105 macro, but I'm starting to wobble against EOS R5.

Geomaticsman Senior Member • Posts: 2,690
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Bjorn74 wrote:

PaulV wrote:

Is this another thread based on simply a “gut feeling?”

So please, help me to have higher hopes. Because I have invested in a Z6 and three Z lenses (85/1.8, 50/1.8 and 14-30/4) also have 300/4 PF and 105 macro, but I'm starting to wobble against EOS R5.

I'm not hopeful we'll see anymore significant firmware updates from Nikon. Sorry. Guess you'll just have to switch.

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Joop_S Forum Member • Posts: 70
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Geomaticsman wrote:

Bjorn74 wrote:

PaulV wrote:

Is this another thread based on simply a “gut feeling?”

So please, help me to have higher hopes. Because I have invested in a Z6 and three Z lenses (85/1.8, 50/1.8 and 14-30/4) also have 300/4 PF and 105 macro, but I'm starting to wobble against EOS R5.

I'm not hopeful we'll see anymore significant firmware updates from Nikon. Sorry. Guess you'll just have to switch.

And 1 day after switching Nikon come with a firmware update. They promised more updates.

Read this:

https://www.dpreview.com/interviews/6739481235/ces-2020-interview-nikon-we-are-at-a-transitional-stage

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Virtual Photon Senior Member • Posts: 1,077
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Bjorn74 wrote:

PaulV wrote:

Is this another thread based on simply a “gut feeling?”

So please, help me to have higher hopes. Because I have invested in a Z6 and three Z lenses (85/1.8, 50/1.8 and 14-30/4) also have 300/4 PF and 105 macro, but I'm starting to wobble against EOS R5.

1.  Cameras (and lenses) aren't investments.

2.  Anyone who would drop 5+K on a system that did not do what they needed it to do needed to do better homework.

3. Nobody, including Nikon, ever guaranteed that firmware fixes would address improved functionality of the system - vague marketing pronouncement notwithstanding.

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StevieF Contributing Member • Posts: 754
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The grass is always greener..... etc etc.

What do you want folk to say?

I think there will be further firmware Z6/7 updates - but then again, there may not! Who knows!?

Why did you invest in the Z gear in the first place - must have been a reason? 
Unless there is a solid, definite reason to switch which will definitely add something (and only you know that) then quit wobbling and enjoy what you’ve got.

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You may think that - I couldn't possibly comment.

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OP Bjorn74 Forum Member • Posts: 88
Re: Z firmware

StevieF wrote:

The grass is always greener..... etc etc.

What do you want folk to say?

I think there will be further firmware Z6/7 updates - but then again, there may not! Who knows!?

Why did you invest in the Z gear in the first place - must have been a reason?
Unless there is a solid, definite reason to switch which will definitely add something (and only you know that) then quit wobbling and enjoy what you’ve got.

I enjoy everything about the Z6 except the AF system. And the AF systems functionality is a big deal.

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SpacemanUA Senior Member • Posts: 1,539
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Bjorn74 wrote:

So please, help me to have higher hopes. Because I have invested in a Z6 and three Z lenses (85/1.8, 50/1.8 and 14-30/4) also have 300/4 PF and 105 macro, but I'm starting to wobble against EOS R5.

Do you realize that R5 is nothing but some marketing bait at this moment? Being realistic, it will have very crippled 8K like 10 seconds max or upscaled or something like that. Just to show that "it's there". There were no words on 4K. And I guess that 4K/120 or even 4K/60 sounds more impressive than questionable 8K. And, most important, this camera will cost about $5-6k body only which is more than the cost of all your system.

And what's wrong with your Z6 as for today? AF ergonomics? Well, then, I guess Nikon did impressive job with Z cameras if it's the only thing that you not satisfied with.

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starfly Contributing Member • Posts: 623
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Bjorn74 wrote:

PaulV wrote:

Is this another thread based on simply a “gut feeling?”

So please, help me to have higher hopes. Because I have invested in a Z6 and three Z lenses (85/1.8, 50/1.8 and 14-30/4) also have 300/4 PF and 105 macro, but I'm starting to wobble against EOS R5.

I highly recommend you jump ship to Canon.  I'll buy that 14-30/4 from you, love it when I can get a great deal when people sell their stuff for the latest and greatest.

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Digital Shutterbug Veteran Member • Posts: 4,364
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Bjorn74 wrote:

StevieF wrote:

The grass is always greener..... etc etc.

What do you want folk to say?

I think there will be further firmware Z6/7 updates - but then again, there may not! Who knows!?

Why did you invest in the Z gear in the first place - must have been a reason?
Unless there is a solid, definite reason to switch which will definitely add something (and only you know that) then quit wobbling and enjoy what you’ve got.

I enjoy everything about the Z6 except the AF system. And the AF systems functionality is a big deal.

Then why did you make such an investment in the first place? Has the focus system begun working poorly compared to how it worked when you bought it? I fail to understand why anyone would invest in a system that doesn't meet their needs, or expectations. Do you often buy products that don't meet your needs, then expect the manufacturer to improve it for you at no additional cost? You don't live in a world of reality.

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OP Bjorn74 Forum Member • Posts: 88
Re: Z firmware

Digital Shutterbug wrote:

Bjorn74 wrote:

StevieF wrote:

The grass is always greener..... etc etc.

What do you want folk to say?

I think there will be further firmware Z6/7 updates - but then again, there may not! Who knows!?

Why did you invest in the Z gear in the first place - must have been a reason?
Unless there is a solid, definite reason to switch which will definitely add something (and only you know that) then quit wobbling and enjoy what you’ve got.

I enjoy everything about the Z6 except the AF system. And the AF systems functionality is a big deal.

Then why did you make such an investment in the first place? Has the focus system begun working poorly compared to how it worked when you bought it? I fail to understand why anyone would invest in a system that doesn't meet their needs, or expectations. Do you often buy products that don't meet your needs, then expect the manufacturer to improve it for you at no additional cost? You don't live in a world of reality.

I had expectations that Nikon would fix the AF with fw, but times running.

msu79gt82 Contributing Member • Posts: 836
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Bjorn74 wrote:

Digital Shutterbug wrote:

Bjorn74 wrote:

StevieF wrote:

The grass is always greener..... etc etc.

What do you want folk to say?

I think there will be further firmware Z6/7 updates - but then again, there may not! Who knows!?

Why did you invest in the Z gear in the first place - must have been a reason?
Unless there is a solid, definite reason to switch which will definitely add something (and only you know that) then quit wobbling and enjoy what you’ve got.

I enjoy everything about the Z6 except the AF system. And the AF systems functionality is a big deal.

Then why did you make such an investment in the first place? Has the focus system begun working poorly compared to how it worked when you bought it? I fail to understand why anyone would invest in a system that doesn't meet their needs, or expectations. Do you often buy products that don't meet your needs, then expect the manufacturer to improve it for you at no additional cost? You don't live in a world of reality.

I had expectations that Nikon would fix the AF with fw, but times running.

The AF on my Z6 isn’t broke.

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edispics Veteran Member • Posts: 4,050
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Bjorn74 wrote:

Digital Shutterbug wrote:

Bjorn74 wrote:

StevieF wrote:

The grass is always greener..... etc etc.

What do you want folk to say?

I think there will be further firmware Z6/7 updates - but then again, there may not! Who knows!?

Why did you invest in the Z gear in the first place - must have been a reason?
Unless there is a solid, definite reason to switch which will definitely add something (and only you know that) then quit wobbling and enjoy what you’ve got.

I enjoy everything about the Z6 except the AF system. And the AF systems functionality is a big deal.

Then why did you make such an investment in the first place? Has the focus system begun working poorly compared to how it worked when you bought it? I fail to understand why anyone would invest in a system that doesn't meet their needs, or expectations. Do you often buy products that don't meet your needs, then expect the manufacturer to improve it for you at no additional cost? You don't live in a world of reality.

I had expectations that Nikon would fix the AF with fw, but times running.

I do a lot of event photography - automotive, concerts, museums, speaking events, I do a lot of landscapes, urban photography, portraits. The AF in my Z6 has never failed me, so there is nothing to fix. I guess you must be shooting something else.

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Digital Shutterbug Veteran Member • Posts: 4,364
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Bjorn74 wrote:

Digital Shutterbug wrote:

Bjorn74 wrote:

StevieF wrote:

The grass is always greener..... etc etc.

What do you want folk to say?

I think there will be further firmware Z6/7 updates - but then again, there may not! Who knows!?

Why did you invest in the Z gear in the first place - must have been a reason?
Unless there is a solid, definite reason to switch which will definitely add something (and only you know that) then quit wobbling and enjoy what you’ve got.

I enjoy everything about the Z6 except the AF system. And the AF systems functionality is a big deal.

Then why did you make such an investment in the first place? Has the focus system begun working poorly compared to how it worked when you bought it? I fail to understand why anyone would invest in a system that doesn't meet their needs, or expectations. Do you often buy products that don't meet your needs, then expect the manufacturer to improve it for you at no additional cost? You don't live in a world of reality.

I had expectations that Nikon would fix the AF with fw, but times running.

As you now realize, that was a huge mistake. Buy a camera for what it can do. Never buy one based on what you think the manufacturer might do. They are under no obligation other than make it work to their specifications at the time of purchase.

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avatar77 Regular Member • Posts: 205
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Bjorn74 wrote:

I had expectations that Nikon would fix the AF with fw, but times running.

Not to pile on, but on top of what others have said, Nikon HAS significantly improved the AF through firmware updates. FW v1.0 to v2.0 is a big leap, and v2.1 further improved face and eye AF (noticeable increase in ability of AF system to detect and lock on to eyes in particular, plus less likelihood of AF locking onto high contrast background object). Somebody recently posted a YouTube comparison of Sony, Nikon, and Canon mirrorless AF systems and Nikon actually had some of the best results of the three. Very impressive considering where the Z started at release.

I agree that the tracking AF implementation is clumsy, but I'm not expecting Nikon to completely revise that interface on the existing Z bodies (though I would be quite happy if they did).

I buy products for the functionality they have at the time of purchase. Unless the manufacturer has promised specific additional functionality coming via an update, you just cannot reasonably expect anything other than bug fixes.  Yes, I'm optimistic based on that interview with the Nikon exec. Will continual updates make it more likely I buy another Z in the future?  You bet.  But it is just one factor that goes into future purchasing decisions.

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Mackiesback Senior Member • Posts: 7,549
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SpacemanUA wrote:

Bjorn74 wrote:

So please, help me to have higher hopes. Because I have invested in a Z6 and three Z lenses (85/1.8, 50/1.8 and 14-30/4) also have 300/4 PF and 105 macro, but I'm starting to wobble against EOS R5.

Do you realize that R5 is nothing but some marketing bait at this moment? Being realistic, it will have very crippled 8K like 10 seconds max or upscaled or something like that. Just to show that "it's there". There were no words on 4K. And I guess that 4K/120 or even 4K/60 sounds more impressive than questionable 8K. And, most important, this camera will cost about $5-6k body only which is more than the cost of all your system.

And what's wrong with your Z6 as for today? AF ergonomics? Well, then, I guess Nikon did impressive job with Z cameras if it's the only thing that you not satisfied with.

I have no idea what AF ergonomics even is.

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Digital Shutterbug Veteran Member • Posts: 4,364
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avatar77 wrote:

Bjorn74 wrote:

I had expectations that Nikon would fix the AF with fw, but times running.

Not to pile on, but on top of what others have said, Nikon HAS significantly improved the AF through firmware updates. FW v1.0 to v2.0 is a big leap, and v2.1 further improved face and eye AF (noticeable increase in ability of AF system to detect and lock on to eyes in particular, plus less likelihood of AF locking onto high contrast background object). Somebody recently posted a YouTube comparison of Sony, Nikon, and Canon mirrorless AF systems and Nikon actually had some of the best results of the three. Very impressive considering where the Z started at release.

Yes, they have done a good job of upgrading AF well beyond the initial release. Kudos to Nikon for that. I became interested in the Z's when first announced. I hesitated about buying until after release. Very quickly after they hit the market, reviews and comments in forums began to bring to light the inadequacies of the AF system. I quickly brushed off the idea of buying one.

After version 2 of the firmware was released, I saw way more favorable comments in the media. I was able to buy in at a lower price. And, I was happy from day one. I avoided the buyer's remorse that often accompanies early purchase. Since that time, Nikon has continued to upgrade and improve the AF. I hope they continue to release improvements. But, I have no worries if they don't. The Z7 works fine for me like it is. Nikon has already given me more than I paid for. Any thing beyond this point is certainly a bonus.

I agree that the tracking AF implementation is clumsy, but I'm not expecting Nikon to completely revise that interface on the existing Z bodies (though I would be quite happy if they did).

+1. The interview with a Nikon executive that was recently posted gives me hope. Hardware has to be a limiting factor at some point. I don't have a clue what can be accomplished with just firmware. My fingers are crossed, with the realization that it might not get better than it already is.

I buy products for the functionality they have at the time of purchase. Unless the manufacturer has promised specific additional functionality coming via an update, you just cannot reasonably expect anything other than bug fixes. Yes, I'm optimistic based on that interview with the Nikon exec. Will continual updates make it more likely I buy another Z in the future? You bet. But it is just one factor that goes into future purchasing decisions.

I'm with you.

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SteveCooper
SteveCooper Senior Member • Posts: 1,323
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Patience is required, both for further firmware updates, and patience for learning the AF system.

I have a Z7, D500 and Z6, purchased in that order (the Z6 after Version 2.20 came out).

If you haven't purchased Thom Hogan's ebook on the Z6 & Z7, I highly suggest you do so and then as you are reading it, practice using the AF.

Yes, the AF works differently than Nikon's DSLRs. Yes it is not perfect, but what camera is? If I can learn how to shoot wildlife with a Z7, I am certain that you can get plenty of keepers with your Z6. It took me about a week of 4 hours each day to get used to my Z.

I also shoot BIF (Birds In Flight), and while my Z7 CAN do it, I wanted the D500 for that specific application. I'm happy with that decision - it is faster and I get more "keepers".

Call me crazy, but I bought the Z6 for the superior video capabilities over the Z7.

I tell you all of this because I want you to realize I'm heavily invested in Nikon. I have lots of F mount lenses that I use on my D500 and use with FTZ adapters on my Zs, as well as Z mount 14-35 f/4, 24-70 f/4 & 50 f/1.8.

I am "ALL in" and I am not regretting my decision at all. I take each new firmware update as a gift. Nikon is not required to do anything to their cameras after they enter the market. It is wise for them to update firmware with bug fixes, but after that, I don't expect much, so I'm truly happy and excited when they offer more.

Bottom line, don't buy any product if you're not happy with the way it works WHEN you buy it. Don't buy a car on promised or rumored updates, and certainly don't buy any electronic device based on promised or rumored updates.

We are only talking about a camera here, not a life or death medical device with a defect. Unless you're a professional photographer, this camera stuff is supposed to be fun. Go take some photos and practice with your camera

Best of luck to you.

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