Return to focus madness - RX10M4

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RBEmerson
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Return to focus madness - RX10M4

Empty feeder

Am I being unreasonable and whinging, or is this feeder not quite in focus?

The setup is simple, camera on stable tripod, open window, feeder ~15 yards away. I used the phone app to trip the shutter (no shaky hands).

I selected manual focusing with peaking enabled. The peaking outline is in red (easier to see here), and I've got as much red showing as possible.

I dropped the EV because the lighting was making the feeder look washed out.

Oh yeah, all the usual birds saw me coming and have skipped town. One downy showed up while I was fumbling with the phone. Of course there was no hope of shooting that bird. Since then, gone like they're in witness relocation. Grr...

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Was steady shot enabled?

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RBEmerson
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Yes. Does that matter to focusing?

Keep in mind the camera is on a tripod, and the shutter's being tripped remotely.

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Help pdf (V2) page 194
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SteadyShot (still image)

We recommend that you set the camera to [Off] when using a tripod.

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Even if there's no camera movement (nearly no signal), the Steady Shot electronics may act somehow.

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BertIverson Veteran Member • Posts: 3,999
Looks good to me --- RX10M4

Looks pretty sharp to me in LightRoom at 3:1 pixel peep. Looks even better to me with a bit of sharpening in LR. (see image below)

my 0.02

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75 sharpening in Lr

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Bill Borne
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RBEmerson wrote:

Empty feeder

Am I being unreasonable and whinging, or is this feeder not quite in focus?

Maybe your sharpening setting is too low?

sharpened some

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BertIverson Veteran Member • Posts: 3,999
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+1 thanks Bill Just what I suggested.

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BertIverson wrote:

Bill Borne wrote:

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+1 thanks Bill Just what I suggested.

Didn't read all the replies Sorry, Bert

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RBEmerson wrote:

Yes. Does that matter to focusing?

Keep in mind the camera is on a tripod, and the shutter's being tripped remotely.

I think there is something wrong with your camera.

Please do a full reset, then

tripod, steadyshot off, shutter by remote or self-timer

manual focus, peaking

If it isn't great, something is wrong, not you.

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cheddarman Forum Member • Posts: 73
Re: Return to focus madness - RX10M4

I am also still (but not so many) focus. Had a rare chance to photo a Tree Creeper today but...........so where did this focus?? Could the gentleman with the super software have a look please?

It was only six meters away and had the focus square right on it, I thought 😱 From the camera JPEG Fine.

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Re: Looks good to me --- RX10M4

That's encouraging. If birds ever show up, that'll be the true test, of course. However, for now I'm using the bird seed as the main test. All of the framework is rounded, making it hard to be 100% about focusing. Anyway, the bird seed looks... well... not snappy.

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cheddarman wrote:

I am also still (but not so many) focus. Had a rare chance to photo a Tree Creeper today but...........so where did this focus?? Could the gentleman with the super software have a look please?

It was only six meters away and had the focus square right on it, I thought 😱 From the camera JPEG Fine.

That is a nuthatch rather than a tree creeper.  Gorgeous little birds both.
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cheddarman Forum Member • Posts: 73
Re: Return to focus madness - RX10M4

hwvlover wrote:

cheddarman wrote:

I am also still (but not so many) focus. Had a rare chance to photo a Tree Creeper today but...........so where did this focus?? Could the gentleman with the super software have a look please?

It was only six meters away and had the focus square right on it, I thought 😱 From the camera JPEG Fine.

That is a nuthatch rather than a tree creeper. Gorgeous little birds both.
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DOH! Of course it ism, but it's still out of focus!! I saw a thread the other day where someone pointed us to a program that would highlight the points of focus but I can't find it???

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RBEmerson wrote:

...I selected manual focusing with peaking enabled. The peaking outline is in red (easier to see here), and I've got as much red showing as possible....

Well, speaking of my experiences I'm usually relying almost all the time on AF. The longer the FL used the shallower the DOF and the more precise focussing needs to be for spot on focus on the subject (ideally its eye).

Especially for a subject other than plain flat, so with some depth, like the rounded surface of the feeder, I'm generally under the impression that focus peaking is a little vague on real peak focus. If focussing manually under such critical circumstances like full zoom / aperture full open I'd prefer high magnification in the EVF over peaking.

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cheddarman wrote:

I am also still (but not so many) focus. Had a rare chance to photo a Tree Creeper today but...........so where did this focus?? Could the gentleman with the super software have a look please?

It was only six meters away and had the focus square right on it, I thought 😱 From the camera JPEG Fine.

Focus is fine, as demonstrated by the sharpness of the bark of the tree. The feathers on the edge of the wing is also razor sharp when viewed at 100% Part of the problem is that the bird is just WAY too small in the frame. "Only" six meters is not good for small birds I am afraid. And I must say this looks like a bit more than 6m to me: how confident are you of that number?

EDIT: OK, smallness compounded by the fact that you were zoomed to less than 500mm. Small bird far away: always use all the optical zoom you can get!

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Re: Return to focus madness - RX10M4

cheddarman wrote:

hwvlover wrote:

cheddarman wrote:

I am also still (but not so many) focus. Had a rare chance to photo a Tree Creeper today but...........so where did this focus?? Could the gentleman with the super software have a look please?

It was only six meters away and had the focus square right on it, I thought 😱 From the camera JPEG Fine.

That is a nuthatch rather than a tree creeper. Gorgeous little birds both.
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DOH! Of course it ism, but it's still out of focus!!

I disagree. If you look at the edge of the wing the focus is very sharp. But with 1/400th the bird was likely moving its head etc that you are looking at hence it has motion blur. It is also too small in the frame.

I saw a thread the other day where someone pointed us to a program that would highlight the points of focus but I can't find it???

See HERE

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elliottnewcomb wrote:

RBEmerson wrote:

Yes. Does that matter to focusing?

Keep in mind the camera is on a tripod, and the shutter's being tripped remotely.

I think there is something wrong with your camera.

Please do a full reset, then

tripod, steadyshot off, shutter by remote or self-timer

manual focus, peaking

If it isn't great, something is wrong, not you.

I just did a full reset because I'd put too many settings into some state and wanted to undo that.

I haven disabled steadyshot, yet.

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Re: Return to focus madness - RX10M4

cheddarman wrote:

I am also still (but not so many) focus. Had a rare chance to photo a Tree Creeper today but...........so where did this focus?? Could the gentleman with the super software have a look please?

It was only six meters away and had the focus square right on it, I thought 😱 From the camera JPEG Fine.

Looks in focus to me. I currently own this gem of a camera. It never let me down. In fact, today I pick up the RX 100 vii. I wanted the pro focus upgrade and the additional. An A7R iii wi/th long glass can be heavy wandering at the market.

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Rambow Forum Member • Posts: 84
It's the manual focus

My opinion is that manual focus on digital cameras is a different affair than on a classic film slr. No matter how much technology they add, AF provides better results, while manual focus provides more fuzziness.

It's the same on any digital camera i've ever tried. Manual focus is less precise. I don't even wonder why. Since AF systems are so good these days, in 99% of the cases you don't need manual focus, so no loss.

The Sony RX series have excellent AF in any situation. Use it!

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Here are two samples to chew on. The birds have, of course, abandoned me. The light has changed from mostly sun to cloudy. Both samples were focused using the magnifier at 5.whatever X. The shutter was tripped remotely. The camera was refocused for the second sample.

I panned up to include the thin stranded cable the feeder is hanging from. The second sample is a little further down, to include the cage and the cable. I'm surprised the cable doesn't show more detail. The cable is doubled above the silver clip on the wire.

#1

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Maybe I'm asking for more than is reasonable?

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