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One camera body, 2 lenses under $1000?

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csnite
csnite Regular Member • Posts: 156
One camera body, 2 lenses under $1000?

I am currently in a conundrum over options for MU43 for me.  My history with the format was E-pl1, E-pm2, Em5, with a gf1 thrown in there somewhere. I moved to fuji after the em5 and liked it ok. Last year I went whole hog in with the xt3, 18-55, 35 1.4, rokinon 12, and 56 1.2, then hit rough financial times, so sold it all in November. I now have a moderate amount to spend on a system. I got tired of dealing with the xtrans files and I am pretty sure that the mu43 quality is perfectly fine for my travel/family pictures.

I am looking to spend $1000 or thereabouts. My only two lens requirements are a decent travel walkaround covering roughly 14-60ish and a "standard" fast lens. I may add more in the future, but I found with my fuji I pretty much used the 18-55 and 35 1.4, with the 56 and 12 almost never being used.

Here's my options unless I am missing something.

E-M10 ii, 14-150, 17mm 1.8 (or 25 1.8 which I used and like but wished it was a little wider) New this is around 1250, but I don't have a problem with used and could find all of these pretty easily.

GX-9, 12-60, 25 1.7 (which I am concerned about because the EVF of the gx85 turned me off pretty badly)

If you had $1000 and wanted to buy a body, fast normal, and walkaround zoom, what would you buy?

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Luke Forrest Senior Member • Posts: 1,072
Re: One camera body, 2 lenses under $1000?

csnite wrote:

I am currently in a conundrum over options for MU43 for me. My history with the format was E-pl1, E-pm2, Em5, with a gf1 thrown in there somewhere. I moved to fuji after the em5 and liked it ok. Last year I went whole hog in with the xt3, 18-55, 35 1.4, rokinon 12, and 56 1.2, then hit rough financial times, so sold it all in November. I now have a moderate amount to spend on a system. I got tired of dealing with the xtrans files and I am pretty sure that the mu43 quality is perfectly fine for my travel/family pictures.

I am looking to spend $1000 or thereabouts. My only two lens requirements are a decent travel walkaround covering roughly 14-60ish and a "standard" fast lens. I may add more in the future, but I found with my fuji I pretty much used the 18-55 and 35 1.4, with the 56 and 12 almost never being used.

Here's my options unless I am missing something.

E-M10 ii, 14-150, 17mm 1.8 (or 25 1.8 which I used and like but wished it was a little wider) New this is around 1250, but I don't have a problem with used and could find all of these pretty easily.

GX-9, 12-60, 25 1.7 (which I am concerned about because the EVF of the gx85 turned me off pretty badly)

The em10ii viewfinder isn't really any better unless your eyes are prone to the rainbow tearing effect. But if you don't like the evf and this is how you compose then it's not really an option.

If you had $1000 and wanted to buy a body, fast normal, and walkaround zoom, what would you buy?

You could buy the new fuji xt200 with kit lens and new xc35mm f2 for a $1000. If you're used to the fuji system this might work and the xt200 doesn't use an xtrans sensor.

Within M43, there is also a Panasonic G85 with 12-60 kit lens for a little under $700. This is a weather sealed option. It leaves $300 for another lens.

There are probably a lot of options if you shop around, especially used kits.

best of luck

rashid7
rashid7 Veteran Member • Posts: 7,011
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every option means some sort of compromise.  The Olympus route you mention sounds good.

If you are willing to settle for 16mp, you might consider the GX8 2-lens kit and have $400 left over for a nice prime (or2)... but you have to live with the EVF.  (Its the same on GX9).

The g85 is in my opinion the best all-around m4/3 camera for the $ right now.

I love the Lumix menu sys, and they have the best contrast AF  -  if you aren't spending more.  Also their kit lenses tend to be best

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pannumon Veteran Member • Posts: 4,130
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csnite wrote:

GX-9, 12-60, 25 1.7 (which I am concerned about because the EVF of the gx85 turned me off pretty badly)

G80/85 instead of GX9, but depends on your preference. You should be able to get G80/G85 with these two lenses for $800 or $900.

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csnite
OP csnite Regular Member • Posts: 156
Re: One camera body, 2 lenses under $1000?

Yeah, unfortunately, the rainbow tearing really bothers me, especially with my glasses. I could look past it, but it's probably always going to bother me.

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rashid7
rashid7 Veteran Member • Posts: 7,011
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rashid7 wrote:

every option means some sort of compromise. The Olympus route you mention sounds good.

If you are willing to settle for 16mp, you might consider the GX8 2-lens kit and have $400 left over for a nice prime (or2)... but you have to live with the EVF. (Its the same on GX9).

The g85 is in my opinion the best all-around m4/3 camera for the $ right now.

I love the Lumix menu sys, and they have the best contrast AF - if you aren't spending more. Also their kit lenses tend to be best

correction = the gx85.  The GX8 has a fantastic EVF, and, even used, is more pricey

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Yar1971 Regular Member • Posts: 410
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csnite wrote:

E-M10 ii, 14-150, 17mm 1.8 (or 25 1.8 which I used and like but wished it was a little wider)

This is exactly the setup I currently use. With 17/1.8, not 25mm. 14-150 is a heritage from my previous camera (E-PL-1), 17/1.8 bought separately second hand, the same  as 14/2.5 I previously used (still have). I'm mostly photographing tourist, so 90% of my images are from travels or local trips. Fast prime is mostly used for interiors and for outdoor photo in evening. From that point of view wider option is better than "standard" 25mm lens. I can honestly recommend this set.

The only reason to choose 25/1.8 (why not very cheap and almost equally good 25/1.7?) instead would be using it to capture portraits of single people with more blurred background. But You will lack something wider for general interior shots. If longer FL is Your priority, later You may add something smaller&wider, like 14/2.5. 15/1.7  would be better than 14/2.5, due to better F/stop but is more expensive and bigger (I mean the case if You decide for 25mm first).

Another story is If You rally need ultrazoom of 14-140, 14-150 class. I need, because I like photo of accidentaly spotted wildlife on the trail. That's why cannot use better optical solution: a separate tele-lens. Usually there's no time to change lenses on unexpeted targets. Landscapes, bvuildings do not escape from the frame. Wildlife, people and vehicles do.

If Your needs are different, the better solution seems to be something like 12-60/3.5-5.6. That gives You 12mm at wide end, this is what my setup is lacking ( i'm going tu buy in the future a small prime wider than current 14mm, probably 12/2.0). Note, that You can use this glass (as any other) both on Pana or Oly body. The only really important limitation is when You want  to use Oly lenses on some of Pana cameras, that has no built-in camera stabilisation.

If You need longer tele than 60mm from time to time on planned occasions, You may later add a tele-lens, like Oly 40-150 (cheap&good).

Regards,

-J.

larsbc Forum Pro • Posts: 18,282
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csnite wrote:

Here's my options unless I am missing something.

E-M10 ii, 14-150, 17mm 1.8 (or 25 1.8 which I used and like but wished it was a little wider) New this is around 1250, but I don't have a problem with used and could find all of these pretty easily.

GX-9, 12-60, 25 1.7 (which I am concerned about because the EVF of the gx85 turned me off pretty badly)

If you had $1000 and wanted to buy a body, fast normal, and walkaround zoom, what would you buy?

You're missing something: Panasonic G85, Panasonic 12-60/3.5-5.6, Panasonic 25/1.7

Or skip the 25/1.7 and get the Olympus 17/1.8.

G85 has fantastic handling, pretty good battery life and excellent video.  AF for stills is fast and accurate even in low light.  Continuous AF for stills and video, not so much (like any m43 in that price range, really).

Asla
Asla Senior Member • Posts: 1,101
Re: One camera body, 2 lenses under $1000?

Hi!

Of those I'd pick oly body pana 12-60mm and oly 17mm...

But when I think better, either mix of those would be fine!

A s l a

AndyH44 Veteran Member • Posts: 3,112
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G85 kit (12-60 f3.5-5.6)  + P20 f1.7

Nothing else matters!

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alcelc
alcelc Forum Pro • Posts: 19,005
Re: One camera body, 2 lenses under $1000?

Not an Olympus man. So concentrate on the Panny I know better. If 12 (i.e.,24 in FF or 16 in APSC) means small to you:

For size and weight, GX85 (lower cost) or GX9 and 14~140;

For ergonomic, G85 (on budget) or G95 and 14~140.

A fast lens to supplement the above: 25 f/1.7 (on budget), 20 f/1.7 (for the size) or 15 f/1.7.

Except G95, actually any combination of the above could meet with your budget with an exchange spares for a <US$100 12~32 for the wider end.

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gary0319
gary0319 Forum Pro • Posts: 10,540
Re: One camera body, 2 lenses under $1000?

I have the E-M10 II, 14-150 and 25 1.8. Shop around and you should get what you want for well below the $1K mark.

BTW I think the E-M10 II is one of the best (if not the best) Olympus cameras ever produced.... and the 14-150 is so good it is now glued to the front of my E-M5 III.

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johnpatrickbishop Regular Member • Posts: 276
Another vote for the G85
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With 12-60 kit lens and then a 1.7/1.8 prime of your choice focal length. I own a GH5, but the G85 really does everything I need. Some of my favorite photos have come from the G85. It was the camera that really sold me on M4/3.

Also consider lenses on eBay/MPB.com. I've had good luck and good deals.

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piccolbo New Member • Posts: 0
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I wouldn't mix pana bodies with oly lenses because you lose DfD, hence CAF speed. As was already said, CAF is not a strength of the g85 or any other m43 body in this price range. It's not a strength of the S1 either. It'a a Panasonic weakness (oly has one phase detect model which apparently does better). If you work without DfD you lose another something, and I haven't been able to find any tests of how big that something may be. So it's an unknown penalty. Of course, that if CAF matters to you at all, some people never turn it on.

RSTP14 Veteran Member • Posts: 6,370
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gary0319 wrote:...

BTW I think the E-M10 II is one of the best (if not the best) Olympus cameras ever produced.... .

Interesting, why do you think so?

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gary0319 Forum Pro • Posts: 10,540
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rogerstpierre wrote:

gary0319 wrote:...

BTW I think the E-M10 II is one of the best (if not the best) Olympus cameras ever produced.... .

Interesting, why do you think so?

I have had the E-M10, E-M10 II, E-M5 II, E-M1, E-M1 II, and now the E-M5 III and I think the E-M10 II is the Olympus sweet spot for size, features, performance and price. On a recent trip to the Rocky Mountain National Park I took the E-M10 II as a backup to my E-M1 II and ended up using it for almost 90% of my shots. I used it with my 12-40 Pro for landscapes, the 14-42 pancake in my jacket pocket and the 14-150 on hikes. The E-M1 II mostly stayed in the car with the PL100-400 on it, awaiting the rare sighting of a moose or elk.

Some of the E-M10 II shots from that trip.

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Doom Scythe Regular Member • Posts: 286
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csnite wrote:

I am currently in a conundrum over options for MU43 for me. My history with the format was E-pl1, E-pm2, Em5, with a gf1 thrown in there somewhere. I moved to fuji after the em5 and liked it ok. Last year I went whole hog in with the xt3, 18-55, 35 1.4, rokinon 12, and 56 1.2, then hit rough financial times, so sold it all in November. I now have a moderate amount to spend on a system. I got tired of dealing with the xtrans files and I am pretty sure that the mu43 quality is perfectly fine for my travel/family pictures.

I am looking to spend $1000 or thereabouts. My only two lens requirements are a decent travel walkaround covering roughly 14-60ish and a "standard" fast lens. I may add more in the future, but I found with my fuji I pretty much used the 18-55 and 35 1.4, with the 56 and 12 almost never being used.

Here's my options unless I am missing something.

E-M10 ii, 14-150, 17mm 1.8 (or 25 1.8 which I used and like but wished it was a little wider) New this is around 1250, but I don't have a problem with used and could find all of these pretty easily.

GX-9, 12-60, 25 1.7 (which I am concerned about because the EVF of the gx85 turned me off pretty badly)

If you had $1000 and wanted to buy a body, fast normal, and walkaround zoom, what would you buy?

A sound choice. I don't know the prices in your country, but I would opt for what you suggested if you don't shoot so often in low light.

E-M10 Mark II - Body only for $450

Olympus 14-150mm - $350

Panasonic 25mm f1.7 - $150

That fits nicely into your budget for $950. All prices are quoted for new set, street prices.

Alternatively, you can opt for the following for better lowlight and overall sharpness:

E-M10 Mark II - Body only for $450

Olympus 12-40mm - $650

Slightly more expensive, but you get 1 glass for all.

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Fairlane Contributing Member • Posts: 518
Re: One camera body, 2 lenses under $1000?

csnite wrote:

I am currently in a conundrum over options for MU43 for me. My history with the format was E-pl1, E-pm2, Em5, with a gf1 thrown in there somewhere. I moved to fuji after the em5 and liked it ok. Last year I went whole hog in with the xt3, 18-55, 35 1.4, rokinon 12, and 56 1.2, then hit rough financial times, so sold it all in November. I now have a moderate amount to spend on a system. I got tired of dealing with the xtrans files and I am pretty sure that the mu43 quality is perfectly fine for my travel/family pictures.

I am looking to spend $1000 or thereabouts. My only two lens requirements are a decent travel walkaround covering roughly 14-60ish and a "standard" fast lens. I may add more in the future, but I found with my fuji I pretty much used the 18-55 and 35 1.4, with the 56 and 12 almost never being used.

Here's my options unless I am missing something.

E-M10 ii, 14-150, 17mm 1.8 (or 25 1.8 which I used and like but wished it was a little wider) New this is around 1250, but I don't have a problem with used and could find all of these pretty easily.

GX-9, 12-60, 25 1.7 (which I am concerned about because the EVF of the gx85 turned me off pretty badly)

If you had $1000 and wanted to buy a body, fast normal, and walkaround zoom, what would you buy?

I would go for the GX-9, 12-60, and 25 1.7.

Then I would add the Sigma 16mm 1.4

should be doable within your budget.

I have the GX9 myself, and the 25 1.7. Also have the Sigma lenses, which I absolutely love,  the 16mm and the 56mm. By far my most used lenses. The 25mm Lumix is also quite good.

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rashid7
rashid7 Veteran Member • Posts: 7,011
Re: One camera body, 2 lenses under $1000?

Fairlane wrote:

csnite wrote:

I am currently in a conundrum over options for MU43 for me. My history with the format was E-pl1, E-pm2, Em5, with a gf1 thrown in there somewhere. I moved to fuji after the em5 and liked it ok. Last year I went whole hog in with the xt3, 18-55, 35 1.4, rokinon 12, and 56 1.2, then hit rough financial times, so sold it all in November. I now have a moderate amount to spend on a system. I got tired of dealing with the xtrans files and I am pretty sure that the mu43 quality is perfectly fine for my travel/family pictures.

I am looking to spend $1000 or thereabouts. My only two lens requirements are a decent travel walkaround covering roughly 14-60ish and a "standard" fast lens. I may add more in the future, but I found with my fuji I pretty much used the 18-55 and 35 1.4, with the 56 and 12 almost never being used.

Here's my options unless I am missing something.

E-M10 ii, 14-150, 17mm 1.8 (or 25 1.8 which I used and like but wished it was a little wider) New this is around 1250, but I don't have a problem with used and could find all of these pretty easily.

GX-9, 12-60, 25 1.7 (which I am concerned about because the EVF of the gx85 turned me off pretty badly)

If you had $1000 and wanted to buy a body, fast normal, and walkaround zoom, what would you buy?

I would go for the GX-9, 12-60, and 25 1.7.

Then I would add the Sigma 16mm 1.4

should be doable within your budget.

I have the GX9 myself, and the 25 1.7. Also have the Sigma lenses, which I absolutely love, the 16mm and the 56mm. By far my most used lenses. The 25mm Lumix is also quite good.

I love my Sig30f1.4... but the 16 is too heavy, Pro-heavy.  I opted for the 15 instead.

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Fairlane Contributing Member • Posts: 518
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rashid7 wrote:

Fairlane wrote:

csnite wrote:

I am currently in a conundrum over options for MU43 for me. My history with the format was E-pl1, E-pm2, Em5, with a gf1 thrown in there somewhere. I moved to fuji after the em5 and liked it ok. Last year I went whole hog in with the xt3, 18-55, 35 1.4, rokinon 12, and 56 1.2, then hit rough financial times, so sold it all in November. I now have a moderate amount to spend on a system. I got tired of dealing with the xtrans files and I am pretty sure that the mu43 quality is perfectly fine for my travel/family pictures.

I am looking to spend $1000 or thereabouts. My only two lens requirements are a decent travel walkaround covering roughly 14-60ish and a "standard" fast lens. I may add more in the future, but I found with my fuji I pretty much used the 18-55 and 35 1.4, with the 56 and 12 almost never being used.

Here's my options unless I am missing something.

E-M10 ii, 14-150, 17mm 1.8 (or 25 1.8 which I used and like but wished it was a little wider) New this is around 1250, but I don't have a problem with used and could find all of these pretty easily.

GX-9, 12-60, 25 1.7 (which I am concerned about because the EVF of the gx85 turned me off pretty badly)

If you had $1000 and wanted to buy a body, fast normal, and walkaround zoom, what would you buy?

I would go for the GX-9, 12-60, and 25 1.7.

Then I would add the Sigma 16mm 1.4

should be doable within your budget.

I have the GX9 myself, and the 25 1.7. Also have the Sigma lenses, which I absolutely love, the 16mm and the 56mm. By far my most used lenses. The 25mm Lumix is also quite good.

I love my Sig30f1.4... but the 16 is too heavy, Pro-heavy. I opted for the 15 instead.

Heavy? It weighs 400g. The GX9 weighs around 450g. I find it balances perfectly, and my much smaller primes tend to stay in the bag...

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