New Insta360 3d camera One R - 1 inch sensor twins

Anyone know when exactly the 3d mod is going to be released for the Insta360 One R system? Their site says Feb sometime, but not sure when. This will give us the first new 3d camera in a long time. It appears to allow a gopro like lens or their current 1 inch sensor as twins for a synced 3d system. This should be amazing if they actually release this thing.

https://www.insta360.com/product/insta360-oner_1inch-edition

Scroll way to the bottom of this page to see the 3d version of this thing.

I think they chose a very weird physical layout for this 3d mod. It looks like they allow you to connect two lenses to a 3d sync module, which would be very similar to the brain they need for the 360 module, so the hardware should all exist for sync. I wish they put the 3d guts below the lenses rather than behind them. I also cannot tell how on earth you see the screen if you have a thin brain module stuck between these two lenses. So, very very odd, but at least it would be the first real 3d solution in a long time.

They already have the Insta360 EVO, which I have, and it's just a warped mess of a wide-angle images that are way too unrealistic. Let's hope the 1-inch sensor 3D twins have a reasonable image. Since you would have to buy two, it will be over a grand. That just seems like too much, but if it delivers, then perhaps worth it. The hype on the EVO didn't deliver, so I give it a big we'll see.

You probably can't see the camera attachment now if  you scroll down, so here it is:

A bit awkward looking. Would be great if it was completely waterproof, but probably not.

Simon Zeev wrote:

Anyway 5m waterproof is not enough for diving. Needs at last 30m.

They have a water housing that is 60 meters available for the one R.  I would never trust any of these splash proof cameras in the water without a proper housing.  Gopro has proven those work well.

threed123 wrote:

They already have the Insta360 EVO, which I have, and it's just a warped mess of a wide-angle images that are way too unrealistic. Let's hope the 1-inch sensor 3D twins have a reasonable image. Since you would have to buy two, it will be over a grand. That just seems like too much, but if it delivers, then perhaps worth it. The hype on the EVO didn't deliver, so I give it a big we'll see.

I have the Evo. Nothing about it is warped, VR180 is for Head Mounted Displays. If you play the video back in an HMD with the right software there is no distortion, its a 3d 180 degree video. VR180 revolves around a circular fisheye concept. You distort the image to capture it into a square, then on playback that gets sorted out. I was hoping that the quality would be at least as good as the One X, since they are similar, but there is something significantly worse about the quality of the EVO. I get massive artifacts in the final image. Its like the compression quality is low or the sensor is tiny.

VR180 is sort of hard for me to find super useful for what I shoot. I am outside mostly and I shoot a lot of fisheye 3d, but I never have really even wanted to see what is straight up in the sky or straight down to the ground. Circular fisheye is far wider than just a normal equi fisheye. You have to spread so many pixels across this massive area that the quality for your main subject suffers too much. The gopro camera field of view seems to be ideal for what I want and its still wide enough where you don't really need a display to preview.

I guess the solution Insta360 is looking for with the 3d mod is the ability to do vr180 and normal field of view type 3d in one camera. That would be welcome as nobody makes a normal 3d camera any more.

I am going to guess here that the final solution for the insta360 3d mod will not shoot near high res or frame rate per eye because the SD card would simply not be able to take that much data in. Odds are, they have a CPU they built only to max out at 5.7k 30fps video. For a 3d rig, that ends up at 4k 30fps per eye. That would still be useful since you could get that out of a one inch sensor, which would be very unique as everything else is using tiny sensors. I hope that when you use the 4k or one inch mod, they at least keep the aspect ratio at 16:9 and not give you a square. Since the CPU of the One R is built to work with the 360 mod they have, that is 5.7k, but its gotten shooting two squares.

What would totally blow me away would be a solution that writes to two different SD cards so you could get the full quality of each mod you are shooting with. If I could get 5.7k 30fps per eye with two one inch sensors, I would be massively impressed. If they get to 4k 60fps per eye at 16:9 aspect, that would be nice. I currently shoot twin 4k 30fps per eye, and I have been doing that for many years, so I hope they can top that. The only way they could pull that off is to have the 3d mod add another CPU and sd card slot. You would need another card slot because the bitrate at the full quality for two cameras would be too much to write to a single card I think.

Another problem appears to be the screen is facing completely to the left. That is if their pictures hold up to the final design. There is also a video on youtube from Creator up that shows the 3d mod being assembled and its nothing more than just a way to connect the 2 lenses to the cpu. In all, it would be really nice, but its a big compromise. I mean, not even being able to see your screen from the back of the camera, that is just saying, we can do it, but its going to be a weird compromised 3d camera when assembled.

Steve, I understand what you are saying completely. When I stated my view of the Insta360 EVO, I was viewing it as a 3D camera to take 3D pics and video that could be used for 3D viewing on a 3D TV, etc.  Since that is what many are looking for. If you don't want to use it for heads-up displays, then it's not going to be satisfactory as a general 3D camera, like the Fuji W3 or Panasonic 3D1 or Sony TD10 series video cameras, or the 3+ gopro stereo system.  And I suspect the One R-1 will also be an VR/AR 3D camera as well.

The big problem with head-mounted 3D is that it separates you from others enjoying the experience at the same time.

How delightful to find this thread of 3D creators. I hear many sentiments which I would echo (eg the isolation of VR versus shared experience of display/projection 3D). I just wanted to share two experiences which may be helpful for previous comments:

I have been shooting with the EVO for some months now, in tandem with the GoPro 3+ on hybrid mounts for better inter ocular distance. I have to say the EVO Has struck me as stunning, but can understand the issues with artifacts and 180 perspective.

I have found that having very fast approved micro SDHC cards seems to deal with artifacts. Would have to do a qualitative and quantitative test to be sure, but that write speed seems to make the difference.

because of the high resolution of the square frame, I have found I can crop 1920x1080 out of that for projection (in a recent video installation, screens were 16.5 feet wide, and the picture held up very well). Linear subject matter will have curved edges as the image is quite wide angle, but I would not notice this when the setting is organic versus manufactured (ie no hard straight lines). So the EVO has offered the versatility of recording VR -ready material as well as HD flat projection material at the same time... Very versatile.

I find the colour balance and exposure are very good. And perfectly matched between lenses, something I found did not happen with synced GoPro 3+ cameras. Amazing quality for such a tiny package.

I would not have known of the 3D option being considered for the new camera if it wasn't for this thread. Thanks for sharing, and I sure look forward to what insta360 comes up with in 3D.

I'll have to try the center cutout for 1080p and see how that works. I noticed the 2D version can be edited apparently to get rid of the warp, but the 3D (as I have tried) cannot. Or have you found a way to do that. I could probably do that in some other program, but it's a hassle either way. I found you have to have one of the new A2 fast memory cards to capture a lot of video.

I found the cropping to 1920x1080 gets rid of the majority of warping, but for horizontal straight lines, there remains curvature caused by the lens. For non-linear, natural scenes, I find the distortion undetectable.

i am very curious whether and when they will in fact have a 3D version with the R... Excited by image fidelity but the mockup posted earlier looks awkward... I have to say the EVO is pretty amazing for the small and versatile size... I suggested to insta360 to add a removable rechargeable battery and mic port. I wonder how big the market is for 3D, and imagine the resources they direct to it is proportional. Seeing the interest here is wonderful to behold... As VR headsets spread, I imagine that will solidify the market for compact 3D VR. I tried some macro work recently, and it is phenomenal. Shifting the camera slightly while taking still images with the EVO (to achieve very narrow inter ocular) I used two successive images (photoshopped to be l+r stereo images) from the same lens to create 3D closeup of the boreal forest floor... And In a VR headset, it was phenomenal to see a spider web tower overhead. Just a remarkable little camera in a remarkable 3D medium.

Anyone think of making a Printable 3D model for the Insta360 1R dual lenses? 
The lens centers should be about 10.5 cm  ...  
Such a simple thing for Insta360 to do... I'm so confused at delay!

JapanaCana wrote:

Anyone think of making a Printable 3D model for the Insta360 1R dual lenses?
The lens centers should be about 10.5 cm ...
Such a simple thing for Insta360 to do... I'm so confused at delay!

They might be having a software-external attachment issue getting the cameras synced, as they are single camera unlike the EVO.

I was wondering if that was the issue... It's quite frustrating to wait after they putting the teaser out something to be released a while back. We got these Modules primarily for 3D work. :/

It could be that with the waning interest in the EVO, they are dropping the 3D attachment as unnecessary now. Might be focusing more on beating gopro.

I hope not true!
I the insta360 is great gear I'm just not liking the Evo.. It's nothing special compared to other 3D cams out there and doesn't blow other cams out of the water like they usually do. 
We invested in their new tech in 1R for the 3D promised... if nothing comes of it... it'll be  great disappointment!

All of you can forget about Insta360 3D camera One R. Getting a quality image in 360 * 3D format is an extremely difficult task from a technical point of view. Insta360 One R is only at the level of a simple toy.

So, bad news about this.

umm.. I disagree
Curious on what other prosumer cams you're comparing it with. The modules themselves are amazing and Insta#60 is keeping ahead of the pack with their hardware (Especially stabilization and low light).
We have Zcam K1pro and G5 3D rig and I personally was really looking forward to seeing what this thing could do in 3D mode!

I think it's a confusion. I was referring to the fact that this type of camera cannot be used to get 360* 3D photos and videos.

For 360* 3Dphoto/video, a system like Insta360 Titan is needed.

That's not "3D" (Stereoscopic)

JapanaCana wrote:

That's not "3D" (Stereoscopic)

Insta360 Titan 10K VR 360 Stereo Camera (10K 3D/60fps)

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The Insta360 EVO  is a 2″ cube 360° camera that unfolds into a stereoscopic 3D 180° camera