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X-T100 /Rokinon 12mm focus

Started Feb 4, 2020 | Discussions
Asat New Member • Posts: 2
X-T100 /Rokinon 12mm focus

Hi ,

I have bought a Fuji X-T100 with a Rokinon 12mm manual lens. I am getting used to manual focsing.

When I set the focus ring to 1m and use focus peaking to check on a subject 1m away it doesn't show me as focused. I have to turn the focus ring further to the infinity side to get the focus on the subject. I was using F2.

Is my camera or lens has a flaw or is this normal?

Asat

colombiano
colombiano Contributing Member • Posts: 696
Re: X-T100 /Rokinon 12mm focus

It's normal for Rokinon/Samyang - unfortunately, the distance scale is not well calibrated (try at infinity and you'll observe same effect). I have this lens and also read from many other users of this problem. You'll have to use EVF and not trust the distance scale.

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kristian2000
kristian2000 Veteran Member • Posts: 5,620
Re: X-T100 /Rokinon 12mm focus

Asat wrote:

Hi ,

I have bought a Fuji X-T100 with a Rokinon 12mm manual lens. I am getting used to manual focsing.

When I set the focus ring to 1m and use focus peaking to check on a subject 1m away it doesn't show me as focused. I have to turn the focus ring further to the infinity side to get the focus on the subject. I was using F2.

Is my camera or lens has a flaw or is this normal?

Asat

Focus peaking doesn't work very well on the XT100, especially in lower light.  I'm hoping this issue is addressed in the XT200.

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davidnbb Regular Member • Posts: 168
Re: X-T100 /Rokinon 12mm focus
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In most circumstances, you don't need to focus it at all. What you need to know is the hyper-focal distance of the lens. With the Samyang, that's 3m. So assuming you're not using it wide open, from f4 or so that means everything from about 40cm or so to infinity will be in focus.

So go outside and measure out a distance of exactly 3m from a strongly-defined object (with clear edges). Then stand at the 3m mark and carefully focus the lens on the object (use peeking). Physically mark this point on the focus ring of the lens (where it lines up with the tiny white dot on the red ring). I used a white marker pen to make a dot on the focus ring,

After doing this, you'll almost never have to worry about focus - just line up the two dots and set the lens to f5.6. (obviousness this doesn't apply if you doing astro or whatever).

You may also find that the rear lens cap is loose and keeps falling off. Solution is to use a little piece of electrical tape about 1cm wide (stick it on the flat part of the mount and bend it up and round the barrel about 5mm to secure it. Not pretty, but it really works (if you use red tape, it would probably look intentional). This has no effect on mounting or demounting the lens, but it does keep the rear cap in place.

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Re: X-T100 /Rokinon 12mm focus
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kristian2000 wrote:

Asat wrote:

Hi ,

I have bought a Fuji X-T100 with a Rokinon 12mm manual lens. I am getting used to manual focsing.

When I set the focus ring to 1m and use focus peaking to check on a subject 1m away it doesn't show me as focused. I have to turn the focus ring further to the infinity side to get the focus on the subject. I was using F2.

Is my camera or lens has a flaw or is this normal?

Asat

Focus peaking doesn't work very well on the XT100, especially in lower light. I'm hoping this issue is addressed in the XT200.

Wow, I was just out the other day with my manual Sigma 90mm on the XT100 and was thinking how great the peaking is and how much better it is than on my XE1 bodies.  That highlighted red was just popping out so easy to see it was blowing me away?  So manual focus on it for me is just wonderful.  No focus peaking on any camera would be as good in low, indoors light I would think, that's no knock on the Xt100 to me.

io_bg
io_bg Senior Member • Posts: 1,548
Re: X-T100 /Rokinon 12mm focus
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Asat wrote:

Hi ,

I have bought a Fuji X-T100 with a Rokinon 12mm manual lens. I am getting used to manual focsing.

When I set the focus ring to 1m and use focus peaking to check on a subject 1m away it doesn't show me as focused. I have to turn the focus ring further to the infinity side to get the focus on the subject. I was using F2.

Is my camera or lens has a flaw or is this normal?

Asat

It's easier if you don't use focus peaking. Just magnify the view till you get a sharp image and shoot away.

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OP Asat New Member • Posts: 2
Re: X-T100 /Rokinon 12mm focus

Thanks David for the suggestions.

I tried something like that (without measuring exact 3m to the ) but the objects in the distance (40-50m away) are not very sharp.  Do you always have to sharpen it in post-processing? Or should have to use focus staking to get the beautiful landscape photos (btw, I used a tripod and used 2sec timer to reduce shaking)?

Tom Schum
Tom Schum Forum Pro • Posts: 13,282
Re: X-T100 /Rokinon 12mm focus
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david bosdet wrote:

In most circumstances, you don't need to focus it at all. What you need to know is the hyper-focal distance of the lens. With the Samyang, that's 3m. So assuming you're not using it wide open, from f4 or so that means everything from about 40cm or so to infinity will be in focus.

The subjective term here is "in focus".

In the days of film, people expected some things, and now in the day of digital many expect much more. Of course, what was fine a long time ago could be fine today, depending on the subject matter.

It has to do with how much sharpness you want as a photographer. If you want details at pixel level, your parameters will be much more stringent. If you are doing a print and the main subject is in focus with pixel-level clarity, the rest of the image is likely not going to be critically important.

The circle of confusion (CoC) is useful to show that what some would call blurred is in the mind of others not blurred. It all depends on what you want:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circle_of_confusion

From this article, "If there is no enlargement (e.g., a contact print of an 8×10 original image), the CoC for the original image is the same as that in the final image. But if, for example, the long dimension of a 35 mm original image is enlarged to 25 cm (10 inches), the enlargement is approximately 7×, and the CoC for the original image is 0.2 mm / 7, or 0.029 mm."

I'm viewing my monitor screen at a distance of 40cm. It is 55cm wide with 1920 pixels along this dimension. Pixel pitch is 1920 pixels/550mm = 3.49 pixels/mm. This supports about 3.5 lines/mm of image resolution (White vertical line, then black vertical line, then white vertical line, then almost half of another black vertical line). This screen is pretty clear and sharp for me, but I can still see the pixel dots, so a finer pitch would give me images without visible pixel dots. From the Wiki article, when they say "5 line pairs per mm" at a viewing distance of 25cm, it might be nearly what I have now.  This might require me to increase my screen resolution to 2750 pixels horizontally.

Do I need pixel clarity all the way across my existing screen? For text, yes but for photos maybe not. It's a judgement call.

So, "hyperfocal distance" is also a judgement call.

Here is a link to the Wikipedia article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperfocal_distance

Quoting from the first paragraph of this article (underlining added by me), "The hyperfocal distance is entirely dependent upon what level of sharpness is considered to be acceptable."

Interesting stuff, but much too subtle for me.  I usually want sharpness at the location in an image that I am most interested in, and then I usually slack off about the rest.

For a high quality landscape image of course you would want maximum sharpness at every pixel.  For a portrait, maybe not.

With the Rokinon 12mm F2, I usually get good results at F8 most of the time.  But, I find it necessary to manually focus at the shooting aperture to get the best out of any lens.  Fuji focus aids work well for this.  Even at F8, focus with this lens requires some real precision and high focus magnification.

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X-T3 /Samyang 12mm sample

I was playing with the lens this morning, and of course forgot to change the setting in my camera to 12mm.

Focus was on the man at the information desk (and his travel mug). Everything further away was in pretty good focus, and most of the furniture closer than him was also in OK focus until it got to be 10 feet away maybe. I think I had the lens set to F2.8 or so but don't quote me.

X-T3 Acros with Samyang 12mm (11mb download for full res):

EXIF is wrong: focal length is 12mm

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